2015 - Positve and negatives for Jason Taylor

[GNR4LIFE]

I seriously hope that with some of the talent we have that the team can win despite him.

I can see this excuse coming from a mile away. Whatever success the team enjoys over the next 2 yrs will be in spite of the coach. Wins will be credited to players, losses to the coach.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think Taylor is really trying hard to change the culture at the club and in doing so is getting a lot of people offside,but his brief is not to be popular,it's all about producing a hard nosed competive football team. Time will tell if he is the man, but at least he is trying and he has a contract for another two years so Iam happy for him to see out his contract,barring a horrendous year in 2016,but I would be surprised if we do not make some real improvement next year

I am not. If by halfway next year we have only won half our games he needs to go, if the board had any rugby league knowledge they would sack him now!!!!

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

POSITIVES
He has managed to con half the people on here and, more importantly the board, to wait until 2017 to start to see any results. Until then only a little effort matters - winning doesn't.
Moving Lawrence to second row - albeit too late.
Bringing in better strength and conditioning team

NEGATIVES
Terrible game plans.
Not utilising players natural strengths into the 'structure'
The 'structure'
Trying to create a winning culture by losing - and getting rid of people who hate losing
Not accepting anything is his fault
No man management skills
No media skills
No idea- full stop

I seriously hope that with some of the talent we have that the team can win despite him.

Agree with this. JT has a lot of people here conned. His game plans are pathetic, he can't coach.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think he's putting all his eggs in one basket and counting on us being in the market for some big names going into 2017, and providing he gets them, the club can make some ground in 2017\. He probably knows deep down next yr is already a write off. If by some chance we still aren't in a decent enough position to throw some cash around at the end of the yr, then he'll just be another Mick Potter, hands tied, never getting the team he wants and eventually fed to the wolves. I don't deny he hasn't contributed to his downfall so far with his 5 tackle, bomb strategy, and if he was to continue with it for the next 2 yrs, then the club can well and truly run him out on a rail, but the salary cap is something he's never been able to control. He inherited a mess in that regard, and i'm sure even the most die in the wool JT hater would even acknowledge that. No coach should ever be judged fully until he gets the team he wants, and so far, 12 months in, he clearly hasn't had it as yet.

If the results are poor next year he must go, I have already written to the club saying I will not renew to he is replaced. I can't see us finishing bottom 2 next year and letting him having a third year.

The media pressure on the board and JT by mid next year we see the board fire JT especially if Robbie is playing well elsewhere and we are picking up his contract.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think he's putting all his eggs in one basket and counting on us being in the market for some big names going into 2017, and providing he gets them, the club can make some ground in 2017\. He probably knows deep down next yr is already a write off. If by some chance we still aren't in a decent enough position to throw some cash around at the end of the yr, then he'll just be another Mick Potter, hands tied, never getting the team he wants and eventually fed to the wolves. I don't deny he hasn't contributed to his downfall so far with his 5 tackle, bomb strategy, and if he was to continue with it for the next 2 yrs, then the club can well and truly run him out on a rail, but the salary cap is something he's never been able to control. He inherited a mess in that regard, and i'm sure even the most die in the wool JT hater would even acknowledge that. No coach should ever be judged fully until he gets the team he wants, and so far, 12 months in, he clearly hasn't had it as yet.

If the results are poor next year he must go, I have already written to the club saying I will not renew to he is replaced. I can't see us finishing bottom 2 next year and letting him having a third year.

The media pressure on the board and JT by mid next year we see the board fire JT especially if Robbie is playing well elsewhere and we are picking up his contract.

So we sack him when he's had his hands tied due to the cap, right before he possibly has the chance to finally get the team he wants? Not to mention having to pay out yet another coach.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think he's putting all his eggs in one basket and counting on us being in the market for some big names going into 2017, and providing he gets them, the club can make some ground in 2017\. He probably knows deep down next yr is already a write off. If by some chance we still aren't in a decent enough position to throw some cash around at the end of the yr, then he'll just be another Mick Potter, hands tied, never getting the team he wants and eventually fed to the wolves. I don't deny he hasn't contributed to his downfall so far with his 5 tackle, bomb strategy, and if he was to continue with it for the next 2 yrs, then the club can well and truly run him out on a rail, but the salary cap is something he's never been able to control. He inherited a mess in that regard, and i'm sure even the most die in the wool JT hater would even acknowledge that. No coach should ever be judged fully until he gets the team he wants, and so far, 12 months in, he clearly hasn't had it as yet.

If the results are poor next year he must go, I have already written to the club saying I will not renew to he is replaced. I can't see us finishing bottom 2 next year and letting him having a third year.

The media pressure on the board and JT by mid next year we see the board fire JT especially if Robbie is playing well elsewhere and we are picking up his contract.

So we sack him when he's had his hands tied due to the cap, right before he possibly has the chance to finally get the team he wants? Not to mention having to pay out yet another coach.

Problem is the board that hire him had no rugby league knowledge and they hired a dud. I have said before it is cheaper to pay JT out his final two years and hire the Walker Brothers (will be great NRL coaches) than it is to pay the 700K plus per year for two years for Robbie to play for another side. At least Robbie can tackle far better than JT can coach.

 

[jadtiger]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

You always have a choice but at the moment it looks like they are going to support a poor choice which they initially made

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

Their is always a choice. Coaches get fired all the time in the NRL, even coaches with far better records than JT get fired, JT would kill to have the coaching CV that Geoff Toovey has.

If crowds, memberships, gate takings, merchandise are all down massively next year and results are poor, the board are going to give JT the final year of his contract? I know we are run ineptly but even the worlds worst run sporting organisation will realise that sacking the coach is a good idea.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

Their is always a choice. Coaches get fired all the time in the NRL, even coaches with far better records than JT get fired, JT would kill to have the coaching CV that Geoff Toovey has.

If crowds, memberships, gate takings, merchandise are all down massively next year and results are poor, the board are going to give JT the final year of his contract? I know we are run ineptly but even the worlds worst run sporting organisation will realise that sacking the coach is a good idea.

Why are all those things the coaches responsibility? His job atm is to put together a winning football team, not to cater to P/R.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

Their is always a choice. Coaches get fired all the time in the NRL, even coaches with far better records than JT get fired, JT would kill to have the coaching CV that Geoff Toovey has.

If crowds, memberships, gate takings, merchandise are all down massively next year and **results** are poor, the board are going to give JT the final year of his contract? I know we are run ineptly but even the worlds worst run sporting organisation will realise that sacking the coach is a good idea.

Why are all those things the coaches responsibility? His job atm is to put together a winning football team, not to cater to P/R.

Results are the coaches responsibility but JT will try to tell the world they aren't because he is a crap coach devoid of ideas. This will be his last NRL head coaching gig and it should end before next year if we were a well run club. Do you deny it would be cheaper to pay out JT than to pay the money we will for Robbie to play elsewhere?

 

[cktiger]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. The club is committed to him for the next 2 yrs. They don't have a choice.

Their is always a choice. Coaches get fired all the time in the NRL, even coaches with far better records than JT get fired, JT would kill to have the coaching CV that Geoff Toovey has.

If crowds, memberships, gate takings, merchandise are all down massively next year and results are poor, the board are going to give JT the final year of his contract? I know we are run ineptly but even the worlds worst run sporting organisation will realise that sacking the coach is a good idea.

Why are all those things the coaches responsibility? His job atm is to put together **a winning football team, not to cater to P/R**.

A winning football team is the best P/R you can get - and I'm sure you'll remember 'winning doesn't matter' as JT coachspeak.
As for the club being committed to him for the next 2 years turn around and take a look at Farah.
He is committed to the club for the next 2 years and has a contract in his back pocket to prove it - and, unlike JT, winning is everything to him.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

No I don't SCT, but what coach worth his salt will want to take on the role with our track record recently with sacking coaches? Why would a coach come here knowing that when the time comes to make tough decisions the supporters will throw all the toys out of the cot and threaten to walk away if he isn't sacked?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Talk about taking comments out of context CK. The winning doesn't matter came about because they are a developing team, just like in 05 when Sheens said the same thing. Only difference with Sheens was he gave them free reign whereas Taylor hasn't. I'm sure next yr players will be accountable.

 

[stevetiger]

POSITIVES
He has managed to con half the people on here and, more importantly the board, to wait until 2017 to start to see any results. Until then only a little effort matters - winning doesn't.
Moving Lawrence to second row - albeit too late.
Bringing in better strength and conditioning team

NEGATIVES
Terrible game plans.
Not utilising players natural strengths into the 'structure'
The 'structure'
Trying to create a winning culture by losing - and getting rid of people who hate losing
Not accepting anything is his fault
No man management skills
No media skills
No idea- full stop

I seriously hope that with some of the talent we have that the team can win despite him.

This is a fairly accurate representation of where JT is at. I think the team will have to win despite him or he needs to have a massive turnaround.

 

[ricksen]

Most of it has been adequately covered in this thread, but two major negatives stick out to me:
* he's talked a good game in terms of where we need to improve, but hasn't really been able to get the players to make the changes he's after. Whether it's man-management or something else - identifying the issues is completely redundant if you can't coach the players to actually perform.
* he's famously spoken a lot about structures etc, and they obviously didn't really work too well. My issue is two-fold; he's trying to turn us into the Roosters of recent years, despite our personnel being a world away from their squad, PLUS even the Roosters coach has spoken at length this year of having to change his gameplans in 2015 as the rulings and interpretations have changed, and so the Roosters 2013 gameplan has had to adapt.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Biggest positive I can give Taylor was that the team never quit the way it did under Potter & to a lesser degree, Sheens. He hasn't lost the team- they played together.

Moving players on is a positive, even if it has 'immediate' negative impacts- the club needs to actually start fresh, not just put a band-aid on & hope for magic to take over.
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Negatives are obviously results, although in a cringing way, I kind of agree that 'wins' didn't matter so much this year. I think the club KNEW that they would struggle. Funny, I remember Sheens saying that the team would struggle in his first year but the important thing was effort on the field- and we ate it up like gospel.

Funny we bag Taylor for his interview style. Big deal- it doesn't make diddly squat difference to his coaching. Potter looked like a hung dog. Sheens was a media bully. Did that make them better or worse coaches?

 

[Granto87]

Positives
Injuries were down and best ever
Players looked fit
Good team selections
Moving Lawrence
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Negatives
Poor game plans
No improvement from our halves (i thought when he signed on he would take Brooks/Moses to the next level.)
Poor media skills ( he can talk well but can also come across stubborn and unprofessional) imo any-way