2015 stats where do they point?

[innsaneink]

We learn to defend, and win the ruck… Those penalties disappear

 

[matchball]

Brooks and Moses missed nearly 200 tackles between them.
Cant win matches if you cant tackle.
Run at them and you win the game.

 

[ricksen]

Brooks and Moses missed nearly 200 tackles between them.
Cant win matches if you cant tackle.
Run at them and you win the game.

They missed 170 between them.
Maloney and Pearce missed 158 between them.
12 MT difference, and yet we conceded 262 more points than the Roosters, who had the best defence in the competition (we were 11th).

Brooks and Moses are definitely a defensive issue, but they're far from the beginning and/or end of our problems.

 

[Sabre]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Brooks and Moses missed nearly 200 tackles between them.
Cant win matches if you cant tackle.
Run at them and you win the game.

They missed 170 between them.
Maloney and Pearce missed 158 between them.
12 MT difference, and yet we conceded 262 more points than the Roosters, who had the best defence in the competition (we were 11th).

Brooks and Moses are definitely a defensive issue, but they're far from the beginning and/or end of our problems.

I dont want my halves making tackles… while they will be called upon and isolated from time to time, the less energy exerted making tackles the better.

You dont lose games if your halves are poor defenders. But you can easily be stretched beyond your means if your defensive forwards allows them to get isolated too often.

 

[TrueTiger]

We learn to defend, and win the ruck… Those penalties disappear

If you look at all the stats for different areas of the Tigers games,nearly all lead to them having a very poor defensive game..I completely agree with Ink,if we tighten our defense,especially our playmakers,then the poor stats will also start to disappear…even though many on here will say that we have great attacking playmakers and can win games for us,nothing wins more games than a great defensive game..I still have nightmares about the Raiders game at LO last year.... :blush:

 

[Sabre]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

 

[happy_tiger]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

I think I'd rather Cherrington learning Ballin's strengths than Farah strength's

Cherrington already has a good running game , both Ballin and Farah are good defenders , but Ballin's service out of dummy half is better than Farah service out of dummy half

Add to the fact Ballin will have us playing more direct in attack I think it is a easy call

I'd be happy if Cherrington gets Robbie's fire in the belly as long as he can control it

 

[Harvey]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

As long as Farah doesn't overcall and continually take the dummy-half role because of an opportunity he spots.

 

[Masterton]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

As long as Farah doesn't overcall and continually take the dummy-half role because of an opportunity he spots.

To give Farah his due, he was pretty scrupulous about giving the halves the chance to run the show last year.

I would like to see 2 hookers at least sometimes this year. I'm not sure you can afford 2 interchanges, though. Might have to be a straight swap 10 or 15 into the 2nd half.

 

[stryker]

It'll be very interesting. Manai is easily the third choice hooker. Hiring Ballin was not only a dik move but a senseless one and could cause Cherrington to move on

 

[stevetiger]

It'll be very interesting. Manai is easily the third choice hooker. Hiring Ballin was not only a dik move but a senseless one and could cause Cherrington to move on

I don't think he will move on and it might make sense if Farah actually left but he didn't. I can't see why we need 3 hookers.

 

[tig_prmz]

It'll be very interesting. Manai is easily the third choice hooker. Hiring Ballin was not only a dik move but a senseless one and could cause Cherrington to move on

agreed.

nothing personal against ballin, but i hope he spends the year in reserve grade. manaia and farah should be/will be in the 17 bar injury/SOO

 

[happy_tiger]

It'll be very interesting. Manai is easily the third choice hooker. Hiring Ballin was not only a dik move but a senseless one and could cause Cherrington to move on

Manaia might be the No 3 hooker , but which hooker do you want to see working with Cherrington when you take in Manaia's strength's ??

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Happy Tiger I will take comment of Robbie "I'd be happy if Cherrington gets Robbie's fire in the belly as long as he can control it" as a compliment. Good to see you have some admiration for the guy.

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy Tiger I will take comment of Robbie "I'd be happy if Cherrington gets Robbie's fire in the belly as long as he can control it" as a compliment. Good to see you have some admiration for the guy.

Of course I have admiration for Robbie's on field skills and always have

My point is that Robbie's and Manaia's strengths are similar , but Manaia's needs to learn to lead a side around the field and get the forwards where the halves want them and to play more direct in doing so

And in my opinion that is Ballin's strength more than it is Robbie's strength

Its a weird one , because I class Robbie a better footballer than Ballin overall

 

[cktiger]

With the reduction in interchange for next year does anyone think having a hooker on the bench might be a waste of a spot? I'd love to see both Cherrington and Farah there but don't know if we'd be better off with another forward?

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

I think I'd rather Cherrington learning Ballin's strengths than Farah strength's

Cherrington already has a good running game , both Ballin and Farah are good defenders , but Ballin's service out of dummy half is better than Farah service out of dummy half

Add to the fact Ballin will have us playing more direct in attack I think it is a easy call

I'd be happy if Cherrington gets Robbie's fire in the belly as long as he can control it

Take off the QLD goggles, happy.
Ballin is not in the same class as Farah.
That's not to say he isn't a talented player who Cherrington can also learn off.
Every player has different attributes and, although I agree with Styker that signing Ballin was (after the debacle) a stupid move, Cherrington will have another experienced hooker to watch close up.
All things being fair, and without injuries, Ballin will be lucky to see first grade - at least at hooker.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'd go the opposite… I feel having fresh legs/eyes out of dummy half will be an asset.

I'd suggest though either Farah or Ballin wont go off, rather slot into lock for 20min.

Yeah Farah/Ballin to lock is the only way having a bench hooker could work imo. Having Farah and Cherrington on the field at the same time would also be valuable to Cherrington's development.

I think I'd rather Cherrington learning Ballin's strengths than Farah strength's

Cherrington already has a good running game , both Ballin and Farah are good defenders , but Ballin's service out of dummy half is better than Farah service out of dummy half

Add to the fact Ballin will have us playing more direct in attack I think it is a easy call

I'd be happy if Cherrington gets Robbie's fire in the belly as long as he can control it

Take off the QLD goggles, happy.
Ballin is not in the same class as Farah.
That's not to say he isn't a talented player who Cherrington can also learn off.
Every player has different attributes and, although I agree with Styker that signing Ballin was (after the debacle) a stupid move, Cherrington will have another experienced hooker to watch close up.
All things being fair, and without injuries, Ballin will be lucky to see first grade - at least at hooker.

CK look at my comment above your last one

I said that Farah is overall a better hooker , but Farah and Cherrington's strength's are the same

But as far as leading sides around the park and playing direct (which is what we need ) Ballin is better than Farah

 

[stevetiger]

Ballin is not in the same class as Farah.

I just can't see how you could justify playing Ballin instead of Farah. I don't get the comments trying to state that Ballin somehow suits us more than Robbie.