2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[andrew 474]

Have to agree with GNR , they would struggle but I think pressure if Ivan is there next year will do the same , they miss the 8 , I can only hope so , they suffer like we are now , Footy is a Buisness now but there are 2 ways to do buisness , a grubby way and a normal way , Panthers took the Grubby road and Fat face Gould needs some pain inflicted on him as well , one very Sneaky man is Gus

 

[Tcat]

The Tigers have been Blind sided by a ruthless drive to Keep Nathen CLEARY at the Panthers , Gus and co worked this out nicely as to putting them selves in a win win Position ,
Junior Signs on and Dad is targeted along the way to keep both Junior and Senior Happy , loads of money and the chance to play together .all done with no regard for damage caused on the way .
Did we or could we have stopped this , No , we were put into a corner with only one thing in our favour , a contract with our coach for 2 more years , is this contract worth anything these days , No , I don't know what's really going on behind the closed doors but one thing is for sure no real leaks from our end , who will coach us , who knows , Ivan , Wayne , Mag , Tooves , old mate , this has to be one of the worst things to happen to us but I think this will only build us up to be stronger and smarter club , CLEARY won't be our coach I think as he has caused a lot of damage to his reputation and made us look like fools , I hope we get this sorted in the next week or so , anounce our new coach anounce 2 new players ( my last email to From Pasco said we have 2 players in negotiation , it was after the others had signed , I feel for our fans , and players , the club needs to come out now and get on the front foot and put this to bed , For the Panthers , Good luck you will need it as Ivan is coming with a lot of hatred on his shoulders ,,pressure is on for them and Nathan , my Tip Panthers to run 9 th 2019 , Tigers to run 8'th

I dont see it as win win for Penrith.
They've dropped a huge amount on Nath and now have no excuse to not win a premiership.
They made the prelims this year so a grandfinal or less would be of no improvement.
If Ivan thought he had it tough with us he's in for a real shock out there.
Whats he going to say when they lose 4 or 5 in a row next year….....Cant be the roster, cant be that the club is rebuilding, cant be the players still working out combinations.
It will be a whole new ball game where the results will fall directly on him.
Good luck Ivan.......What goes around comes around.
Imagine if Gould sacks you again.
I doubt he'd get another coaching job for a while.

At least Ivan wont have to worry about combinations, game plans etc. It will already be done for him each week by the real coach.

 

[cqtiger]

Geez, some of you think that Ivan is going to a weaker club and will struggle?

He’s not going to Penrith in 2 years time or earlier just to coach his son. He’s going to coach a powerhouse club. He wants a premiership just as much as his son and he knows he has a better chance at Penrith.

 

[jirskyr]

Just as a favour to you 851.
Just to help with your your English .
The definition of “ we”, is

“A speaker referring to himself along with others,”

As Bennett wont accept anything but a Coaching job,
I’d take a wild guess that he means that very thing
Don’t bother with an apology about lying,
Just learn what a word means next time before you jump in and make a fool of yourself

I think perhaps the point they are making is that Wayne's comment about "we will be back" is equivalent to Ivan's comment "I intend to see out my contract".

Bennett could have used stronger language, perhaps by choice, perhaps by accident, and the lack of stronger accent leaves the door ajar for speculation.

Now Bennett isn't going to get up there and say "they will be back next year, but just so we aren't clear, I will not be", he simply would never say such a thing whilst still technically employed for 2019 at Broncos. Same as Ivan would never say "I will absolutely see out my contract with Tigers no matter what circumstances arise".

Given that a journo later asked "have you held discussions with the Tigers" and Bennett replied "not yet", it is another non-committal response.

The main difference here is Bennett is factually definitely publicly being dumped by the Broncos, whereas there is no confirmed information about Ivan's future, nor have Tigers confirmed they would not extend him.

 

[jirskyr]

Geez, some of you think that Ivan is going to a weaker club and will struggle?

He’s not going to Penrith in 2 years time or earlier just to coach his son. He’s going to coach a powerhouse club. He wants a premiership just as much as his son and he knows he has a better chance at Penrith.

I'm really curious to understand this new idea of Penrith being a "powerhouse" club. They've made the finals 8/19 times since 2000 (42%), won 1 premiership and collected 2 wooden spoons.

They've now made the finals 3 years in a row and were knocked out in the semis - decent results, but hardly powerhouse and in my opinion they regularly fail to impress in the big finals matches. In fact their finals record is 8/17 = 47%. Panthers continue to be run-over by the real premiership contenders.

Sure the Panthers leagues club have lots of money and they've built their COE (a few years ahead of other clubs, but some half-dozen clubs have COEs to be completed within the next few years), but frankly I am not seeing powerhouse results, nor is their long-term coaching strategy solid and locked-in. If Nathan Cleary's form drops at all, they are in big trouble IMO.

You can make an argument for juniors, but it's been shown that you can very easily sign juniors from other clubs, so it's not as if they have the monopoly on Western Sydney. Then you look at Penrith's recruitment strategy, letting go guys like Wade Graham, Luke Lewis, Flash Gordon, Jennings bros, Blake Austin, Api Koroisau, Moylan etc. who have gone on to have quite fine careers at other clubs - very literally they've seeded the Sharks premiership tilts of the last few seasons. It's hardly a powerhouse recruitment strategy either.

 

[wt01]

Geez, some of you think that Ivan is going to a weaker club and will struggle?

He’s not going to Penrith in 2 years time or earlier just to coach his son. He’s going to coach a powerhouse club. He wants a premiership just as much as his son and he knows he has a better chance at Penrith.

I'm really curious to understand this new idea of Penrith being a "powerhouse" club. They've made the finals 8/19 times since 2000 (42%), won 1 premiership and collected 2 wooden spoons.

They've now made the finals 3 years in a row and were knocked out in the semis - decent results, but hardly powerhouse and in my opinion they regularly fail to impress in the big finals matches. In fact their finals record is 8/17 = 47%. Panthers continue to be run-over by the real premiership contenders.

Sure the Panthers leagues club have lots of money and they've built their COE (a few years ahead of other clubs, but some half-dozen clubs have COEs to be completed within the next few years), but frankly I am not seeing powerhouse results, nor is their long-term coaching strategy solid and locked-in. If Nathan Cleary's form drops at all, they are in big trouble IMO.

You can make an argument for juniors, but it's been shown that you can very easily sign juniors from other clubs, so it's not as if they have the monopoly on Western Sydney. Then you look at Penrith's recruitment strategy, letting go guys like Wade Graham, Luke Lewis, Flash Gordon, Jennings bros, Blake Austin, Api Koroisau, Moylan etc. who have gone on to have quite fine careers at other clubs - very literally they've seeded the Sharks premiership tilts of the last few seasons. It's hardly a powerhouse recruitment strategy either.

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[colmcd]

Geez, some of you think that Ivan is going to a weaker club and will struggle?

He’s not going to Penrith in 2 years time or earlier just to coach his son. He’s going to coach a powerhouse club. He wants a premiership just as much as his son and he knows he has a better chance at Penrith.

I'm really curious to understand this new idea of Penrith being a "powerhouse" club. They've made the finals 8/19 times since 2000 (42%), won 1 premiership and collected 2 wooden spoons.

They've now made the finals 3 years in a row and were knocked out in the semis - decent results, but hardly powerhouse and in my opinion they regularly fail to impress in the big finals matches. In fact their finals record is 8/17 = 47%. Panthers continue to be run-over by the real premiership contenders.

Sure the Panthers leagues club have lots of money and they've built their COE (a few years ahead of other clubs, but some half-dozen clubs have COEs to be completed within the next few years), but frankly I am not seeing powerhouse results, nor is their long-term coaching strategy solid and locked-in. If Nathan Cleary's form drops at all, they are in big trouble IMO.

You can make an argument for juniors, but it's been shown that you can very easily sign juniors from other clubs, so it's not as if they have the monopoly on Western Sydney. Then you look at Penrith's recruitment strategy, letting go guys like Wade Graham, Luke Lewis, Flash Gordon, Jennings bros, Blake Austin, Api Koroisau, Moylan etc. who have gone on to have quite fine careers at other clubs - very literally they've seeded the Sharks premiership tilts of the last few seasons. It's hardly a powerhouse recruitment strategy either.

Well said.

Particularly with Juniors. Notice how the Sharks, Easts seem to be feeding on players who are at the end of their careers. They are able to turn those players into a top 8 performance. The Tigers seem to face the same problem as the Panthers, were usually more Junior heavy then Senior heavy (current team may be Senior heavy now).

Your Melbourne Storm are a powerhouse team. One thing they do incredibly well is integration. New players come in all the time and the team is able to fit them in. Easts seem to be closer to that powerhouse setup, Manly had it under Des and Toovey and coped with a lot of rotation until everyone was let go to fit DCE.

Be it Cleary or Bennett. I think either of them could steer us into a direction of a core group of players to make a superteam. While Brisbane hasn't performed as much as people hoped, I think Bennett could really look at our team and find how to take our talent to the next level. He is known for adding structure but keeping the game fun.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It will be interesting to see how long this persists for. Penrith will not sit on Ciraldo and Wallace for the next two years while Cleary sees out his tenure here. No coach worth their salt will go to Penrith for a two year contract knowing they are merely an interim coach. Penrith's best chance of a premiership is in the next couple of years while they still have the large core of their side locked up and their halves pairing in Maloney and Cleary.

Penrith will want Cleary now. Cleary will want to go now. As it stands he's contractually obligated to us for the next two years. If the Bennett story has legs and we have to wait until 2020 for him well that puts us in a good position to rain on Penrith's parade. They will have to fork up some coin to get him there sooner as we will be prepared to hang on to him for another season while we wait for Unca.

If Bennett is not interested, well then we fall back to an off duty coach in Madge, Hasler etc which then means we will be looking to sort the future out quickly to move on with things, that will somewhat shift the power back to the centre as all parties will want things to move quickly to get on with it. Makes me wonder indeed if the Bennett talk may be a smokescreen to try and get Penrith to shell out when he's no chance of coming here, but then he and Ivan share the same manager so it'd be figured out pretty quickly if we were running the decoy there.

It's rather bizarre.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Just as a favour to you 851.
Just to help with your your English .
The definition of “ we”, is

“A speaker referring to himself along with others,”

As Bennett wont accept anything but a Coaching job,
I’d take a wild guess that he means that very thing
Don’t bother with an apology about lying,
Just learn what a word means next time before you jump in and make a fool of yourself

I think perhaps the point they are making is that Wayne's comment about "we will be back" is equivalent to Ivan's comment "I intend to see out my contract".

Bennett could have used stronger language, perhaps by choice, perhaps by accident, and the lack of stronger accent leaves the door ajar for speculation.

Now Bennett isn't going to get up there and say "they will be back next year, but just so we aren't clear, I will not be", he simply would never say such a thing whilst still technically employed for 2019 at Broncos. Same as Ivan would never say "I will absolutely see out my contract with Tigers no matter what circumstances arise".

Given that a journo later asked "have you held discussions with the Tigers" and Bennett replied "not yet", it is another non-committal response.

The main difference here is Bennett is factually definitely publicly being dumped by the Broncos, whereas there is no confirmed information about Ivan's future, nor have Tigers confirmed they would not extend him.

He clearly stated that he would be back next year and untill someone says differently, thats the situation, it wasnt me who tried to play around with words . and got caught.

So, until either the Tigers, Ivan, Penrith, Broncs or Maquire just to name a few….. say anything else, .., we only have the statements from Ivan and Bennett both saying that they will be honouring their contracts next year,
Im not saying that they wont,
I dont know,neither do you , or anyone here
but neither has said there not staying put, and there's been nothing substantial said anywhere, that they wont
everything else is pure guesswork

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

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Just as a favour to you 851.
Just to help with your your English .
The definition of “ we”, is

“A speaker referring to himself along with others,”

As Bennett wont accept anything but a Coaching job,
I’d take a wild guess that he means that very thing
Don’t bother with an apology about lying,
Just learn what a word means next time before you jump in and make a fool of yourself

I think perhaps the point they are making is that Wayne's comment about "we will be back" is equivalent to Ivan's comment "I intend to see out my contract".

**The point that they were TRYING TO make is that Bennett was Not including himself in the statement , nothing more, nothing less. He was**
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Bennett could have used stronger language, perhaps by choice, perhaps by accident, and the lack of stronger accent leaves the door ajar for speculation.

Now Bennett isn't going to get up there and say "they will be back next year, but just so we aren't clear, I will not be", he simply would never say such a thing whilst still technically employed for 2019 at Broncos. Same as Ivan would never say "I will absolutely see out my contract with Tigers no matter what circumstances arise".

Given that a journo later asked "have you held discussions with the Tigers" and Bennett replied "not yet", it is another non-committal response.

The main difference here is Bennett is factually definitely publicly being dumped by the Broncos, whereas there is no confirmed information about Ivan's future, nor have Tigers confirmed they would not extend him.

 

[Bee-Em]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when he re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

 

[happy_tiger]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when re re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

Because he was never sacked

IC was trying to stop being accused of nepotism so left Penrith until NC made it

Now NC has made it

Entire thread called conspiracy theory …...

Starting to make a hell of a lot of sense now isn't it

 

[Glennb]

Just as a favour to you 851.
Just to help with your your English .
The definition of “ we”, is

“A speaker referring to himself along with others,”

As Bennett wont accept anything but a Coaching job,
I’d take a wild guess that he means that very thing
Don’t bother with an apology about lying,
Just learn what a word means next time before you jump in and make a fool of yourself

I think perhaps the point they are making is that Wayne's comment about "we will be back" is equivalent to Ivan's comment "I intend to see out my contract".

Bennett could have used stronger language, perhaps by choice, perhaps by accident, and the lack of stronger accent leaves the door ajar for speculation.

Now Bennett isn't going to get up there and say "they will be back next year, but just so we aren't clear, I will not be", he simply would never say such a thing whilst still technically employed for 2019 at Broncos. Same as Ivan would never say "I will absolutely see out my contract with Tigers no matter what circumstances arise".

Given that a journo later asked "have you held discussions with the Tigers" and Bennett replied "not yet", it is another non-committal response.

The main difference here is Bennett is factually definitely publicly being dumped by the Broncos, whereas there is no confirmed information about Ivan's future, nor have Tigers confirmed they would not extend him.

Im with you here, add to that the whole "I cant promise much, I cant promise anything else". IMO it was intentionally non committal

 

[Bee-Em]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when re re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

Because he was never sacked

IC was trying to stop being accused of nepotism so left Penrith until NC made it

Now NC has made it

Entire thread called conspiracy theory …...

Starting to make a hell of a lot of sense now isn't it

Gotta love a good conspiracy…Never a dull day in Tiger Town

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Ivan going back to Penrith is a good way to funnel money to Nathan.

 

[Bones]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when re re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

Because he was never sacked

IC was trying to stop being accused of nepotism so left Penrith until NC made it

Now NC has made it

Entire thread called conspiracy theory …...

Starting to make a hell of a lot of sense now isn't it

That would still leave the original question of why did he accept the role in the first place if he already had another job?

The question on why he would go back to a club that sacked him is an easy one though, it starts with a $ sign and contains 7 digits.

 

[Bee-Em]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when re re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

Because he was never sacked

IC was trying to stop being accused of nepotism so left Penrith until NC made it

Now NC has made it

Entire thread called conspiracy theory …...

Starting to make a hell of a lot of sense now isn't it

That would still leave the original question of why did he accept the role in the first place if he already had another job?

The question on why he would go back to a club that sacked him is an easy one though, it starts with a $ sign and contains 7 digits.

Back to a club that punted him for someone not liking where he parked his car ?? (or for some reason, being tired?? whatever that means?).. Not to mention what happened to Griffin 2 months ago…Risky.

He's got the world at his feet here at Wests Tigers, and the dollars would I assume come with time.

 

[Spartan117]

Management of the Panthers are liars.

He was let go " because he looked tired" = wasnt getting results and added to that… When replaced

Gould said that the incoming coach had a proven track record of nuturing juniors.
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Lies lies lies...

This is all part of a ploy to keep the Jnr

Snr would be wise to the fact that any contract would be coupled with a full pay out clause.
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$$$$$$$ in the Cleary bank

 

[hobbo]

Have we signed inspector Callahan yet ?

 

[WT2K]

3 weeks until players report back for pre-season training and Ivan…