2019 Coaching saga -Thread

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Had a few days away up in wine country so have missed the latest round of posting. Hopefully by now everyone is moving forward with the official announcements. We can finally move on. **Hopefully all who dug in their heels and refused to believe this was happening have softened their stand somewhat.**

For anyone interested https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-definitive-book-of-body-language-allan-pease/prod9781489221919.html?source=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzNHQ5cyo3gIVSImPCh27DA6rEAQYASABEgIeUPD_BwE

I, for one, didn't refuse to believe it was happening, I did, however, give Ivan the benefit of the doubt.

My mistake was to assume that Ivan was a man of integrity, and that he wouldn't lie to the press and the supporters. I was wrong on both counts. He has shredded his reputation well and truly.

Next time you give us the benefit of your insights based on your skills interpreting body language, I will be more inclined to believe you.
 
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Had a few days away up in wine country so have missed the latest round of posting. Hopefully by now everyone is moving forward with the official announcements. We can finally move on. **Hopefully all who dug in their heels and refused to believe this was happening have softened their stand somewhat.**

For anyone interested https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-definitive-book-of-body-language-allan-pease/prod9781489221919.html?source=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzNHQ5cyo3gIVSImPCh27DA6rEAQYASABEgIeUPD_BwE

I, for one, didn't refuse to believe it was happening, I did, however, give Ivan the benefit of the doubt.

My mistake was to assume that Ivan was a man of integrity, and that he wouldn't lie to the press and the supporters. I was wrong on both counts. He has shredded his reputation well and truly.

Next time you give us the benefit of your insights based on your skills interpreting body language, I will be more inclined to believe you.

Haha there wont be a next time, one thing i am not is a body language expert. More a tinfoil kind of guy.

Seriously though its very disappointing what Ivan did to so many who had his back.
 
This is my last input to this thread,Ivan has to take responsibility for his personal actions in respect of letting the club and us the fans and members down just as we thought we had a person who would be great for our club…
In saying that,I will echo the words of the board that Ivan did bring stability to the club,got a team that was a bottom 4 prospect to a 9th spot finish,attitude on and off the field improved immensely and he has laid a platform for Madge to work on in the future in regards to the cap..
I know lots wont agree with me and this is my opinion on the matter...I understand the NRL and what can be offered by rich clubs with money and tpas to lure people to their clubs...Ivan has made a choice that only he has to face and make it work...the opportunity to coach his son in one of the greatest arenas in the world...
Iam disappointed in Ivan leaving the way he has,I welcome Madge to our fold and genuinely hope he prospers with us,I will not lower myself to call Ivan names,he has to face his decision and the outcomes himself...I do have some integrity and will remain a true WTs supporter and member while appreciating the limited work Ivan has done while with us..
 
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No way it would have come this far if Cleary and Gus didn’t get along.

Money solves everything.

Everyone's got a Number… 10 mil over 5 years for father and son sounds about right.
 
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Another interesting angle might be if Ciraldo thinks he's been dudded. Possible white ant?

Yeah… Wouldn't surprise me if the culture there still isn't somewhat toxic... It hasn't been good for a long time and in this regard Cleary has a lot of ground to make up... But he showed here what he can do in this area
 
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Another interesting angle might be if Ciraldo thinks he's been dudded. Possible white ant?

I think you may be assuming that he was kept in the dark. Id say he was a willing participant in the whole charade.

Yeah, I considered that. Perhaps just wishful thinking, hoping for a perfect storm; Gould looking over the shoulder, Ciraldo white anting and disgruntled players thinking sonny is a favourite, media still riding the switcher, all topped off by great expectations by the club.
Could be entertaining.
 
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Another interesting angle might be if Ciraldo thinks he's been dudded. Possible white ant?

Yeah… Wouldn't surprise me if the culture there still isn't somewhat toxic... It hasn't been good for a long time and in this regard Cleary has a lot of ground to make up... But he showed here what he can do in this area

He'll have a harder time doing that without his aura of integrity this time around.
 
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This is my last input to this thread,Ivan has to take responsibility for his personal actions in respect of letting the club and us the fans and members down just as we thought we had a person who would be great for our club…
In saying that,I will echo the words of the board that Ivan did bring stability to the club,got a team that was a bottom 4 prospect to a 9th spot finish,attitude on and off the field improved immensely and he has laid a platform for Madge to work on in the future in regards to the cap..
I know lots wont agree with me and this is my opinion on the matter...I understand the NRL and what can be offered by rich clubs with money and tpas to lure people to their clubs...Ivan has made a choice that only he has to face and make it work...the opportunity to coach his son in one of the greatest arenas in the world...
Iam disappointed in Ivan leaving the way he has,I welcome Madge to our fold and genuinely hope he prospers with us,I will not lower myself to call Ivan names,he has to face his decision and the outcomes himself...I do have some integrity and will remain a true WTs supporter and member while appreciating the limited work Ivan has done while with us..

Sums things up nicely
 
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Another interesting angle might be if Ciraldo thinks he's been dudded. Possible white ant?

I think you may be assuming that he was kept in the dark. Id say he was a willing participant in the whole charade.

Yeah, I considered that. Perhaps just wishful thinking, hoping for a perfect storm; Gould looking over the shoulder, Ciraldo white anting and disgruntled players thinking sonny is a favourite, media still riding the switcher, all topped off by great expectations by the club.
Could be entertaining.

That would be ideal lol
 
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This is my last input to this thread,Ivan has to take responsibility for his personal actions in respect of letting the club and us the fans and members down just as we thought we had a person who would be great for our club…
In saying that,I will echo the words of the board that Ivan did bring stability to the club,got a team that was a bottom 4 prospect to a 9th spot finish,attitude on and off the field improved immensely and he has laid a platform for Madge to work on in the future in regards to the cap..
I know lots wont agree with me and this is my opinion on the matter...I understand the NRL and what can be offered by rich clubs with money and tpas to lure people to their clubs...Ivan has made a choice that only he has to face and make it work...the opportunity to coach his son in one of the greatest arenas in the world...
Iam disappointed in Ivan leaving the way he has,I welcome Madge to our fold and genuinely hope he prospers with us,I will not lower myself to call Ivan names,he has to face his decision and the outcomes himself...I do have some integrity and will remain a true WTs supporter and member while appreciating the limited work Ivan has done while with us..

So to sum that up you got it wrong. Ivan was not the man of integrity you had though.
 
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The only way Cleary will face the Karma.
Is if Penrith tank.

They have a good batch of players and a strong foundation, and allegedly the best financial sporting club in Australia.
So if they don’t reach higher than 5th like they made this year with the apparently unwanted coach and his side kick, then anything but a top 4 position will be bait for the media sharks.
Both Clearys will need to have their best seasons to date, Gould will need to take a back seat, other teams will have to lose for their gain and the whole playing group will be under pressure not just Father and son.
I don’t wish them luck because I’m a tiger through and through.
But if they tank and they might.
They have no excuse, the stage is set if they can’t make it in the next 2-3 years then it’s over for them in my eyes.

On a side note I think the next greatest rilvalry in rugby league has been born, the BATTLE OF THE WEST is on!!!!

Our home game for this has to be moved to WSS if the NRL are fair dinkum. Especially if the first encounter is fairly spiteful.

Fat chance. That's the round every game is played at Suncorp, hence why we have a home game there in the first place.
 
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-turn-anger-into-passion-says-tigers-boss/news-story/8b3d8e14924d35238909abc50c59011b

NRL: Turn anger into passion, says Tigers boss
Michael Maguire will take the reins at Wests Tigers after his Kiwi commitments
Michael Maguire will take the reins at Wests Tigers after his Kiwi commitments

Brent Read
Senior Sports Writer
@brentread_7
11:00PM October 28, 2018
1 Comment

Wests Tigers chair Marina Go has urged the club’s fans to channel their anger towards Ivan Cleary into passion for Michael Maguire.

Go, speaking after the Tigers confirmed they had released Cleary from the final two years of his deal and signed Maguire as his replacement, has sensed the widespread disappointment and bitterness among the club faithful with their former coach.

However, the silver lining has been the club’s signing of Maguire, a proven performer who has already achieved something that has eluded Cleary over his coaching career — a premiership.
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Go said the club had made a conscious decision to move on and she urged the supporters to do the same by embracing Maguire’s arrival — he will officially take the reins once he has finished his commitments with the New Zealand national side.

“There is bitterness from the fans,” Go said. “You see it on social media and read it in the forums. There is bitterness towards Ivan.

“We’re hoping that passion can be swapped — they will be able to swap that angriness with Ivan to passion for Michael. Some of them already have.

“The thing you love about your fans is they are deeply passionate and they feel everything. They were hurt by Ivan. They view this as rejection.

“Everyone’s response to this will depend on their particular relationships that they had with (Cleary). I can only comment on the way the board views this and there is disappointment.

“From our point of view, clearly in the end he didn’t want to do the thing he told us he wanted to do in the beginning — and that is why we appointed him — to build this club to something really special and it was always going to take more than three years.

“It would be different if there was an incident or we had a disastrous year, or something had happened in our club that he was unhappy with.

“If that is the case, he has never mentioned it to us and I have asked a million times. At the same time, an extremely successful coach has embraced the club and said I choose you.”

The Tigers tied Maguire down for three years — compensation from Penrith will help ease some of the financial burden — after also holding discussions with seven-time premiership winner Wayne Bennett.

Bennett originally approached the Tigers but talks were destined to reach an impasse over the Brisbane coach’s desire to see out the final year of his existing deal.

At the same time, the Tigers were in talks with Maguire, who was free of any club encumbrances. Maguire is also 24 years younger than Bennett and had the potential to be the long-term coach the Tigers craved.

“Timing was never, ever going to be right for us with Bennett,” Go said.

“What we could never reconcile with him was the timing and we were never going to force him to break his contract. To his credit, his position was he didn’t want to leave his club early.

“There was no negative to either of them. They were both great coaches. It is wrong to say he (Maguire) is our second choice. He was never our second choice. There were some things about Michael that were more compelling for us — that is the timing and the potential longevity of his appointment. We need somebody who is going to build this club.”

Cleary is expected to be announced as Penrith coach as early as today, allowing him to work alongside his son Nathan.

“This whole incident has made us realise the changed perception about our club,” Go said. “Years ago nobody wanted to come to our club.

“Be grateful we have been able to attain a really great coach. This is like a sliding door moment. You may look back at this and think ‘Wow, thank God that happened’. Our club has become optimistic.

“This is just a speed hump. I think we have to look at it like that.”
 
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This is my last input to this thread,Ivan has to take responsibility for his personal actions in respect of letting the club and us the fans and members down just as we thought we had a person who would be great for our club…
In saying that,I will echo the words of the board that Ivan did bring stability to the club,got a team that was a bottom 4 prospect to a 9th spot finish,attitude on and off the field improved immensely and he has laid a platform for Madge to work on in the future in regards to the cap..
I know lots wont agree with me and this is my opinion on the matter...I understand the NRL and what can be offered by rich clubs with money and tpas to lure people to their clubs...Ivan has made a choice that only he has to face and make it work...the opportunity to coach his son in one of the greatest arenas in the world...
Iam disappointed in Ivan leaving the way he has,I welcome Madge to our fold and genuinely hope he prospers with us,I will not lower myself to call Ivan names,he has to face his decision and the outcomes himself...I do have some integrity and will remain a true WTs supporter and member while appreciating the limited work Ivan has done while with us..

So to sum that up you got it wrong. Ivan was not the man of integrity you had though.

Got it wrong… A bit like you & Gamble you mean?
We all get it wrong occasionally
 
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-turn-anger-into-passion-says-tigers-boss/news-story/8b3d8e14924d35238909abc50c59011b

NRL: Turn anger into passion, says Tigers boss
Michael Maguire will take the reins at Wests Tigers after his Kiwi commitments
Michael Maguire will take the reins at Wests Tigers after his Kiwi commitments

Brent Read
Senior Sports Writer
@brentread_7
11:00PM October 28, 2018
1 Comment

Wests Tigers chair Marina Go has urged the club’s fans to channel their anger towards Ivan Cleary into passion for Michael Maguire.

Go, speaking after the Tigers confirmed they had released Cleary from the final two years of his deal and signed Maguire as his replacement, has sensed the widespread disappointment and bitterness among the club faithful with their former coach.

However, the silver lining has been the club’s signing of Maguire, a proven performer who has already achieved something that has eluded Cleary over his coaching career — a premiership.
Read Next

Our federation is falling apart
GEORGE WILLIAMS

Go said the club had made a conscious decision to move on and she urged the supporters to do the same by embracing Maguire’s arrival — he will officially take the reins once he has finished his commitments with the New Zealand national side.

“There is bitterness from the fans,” Go said. “You see it on social media and read it in the forums. There is bitterness towards Ivan.

“We’re hoping that passion can be swapped — they will be able to swap that angriness with Ivan to passion for Michael. Some of them already have.

“The thing you love about your fans is they are deeply passionate and they feel everything. They were hurt by Ivan. They view this as rejection.

“Everyone’s response to this will depend on their particular relationships that they had with (Cleary). I can only comment on the way the board views this and there is disappointment.

“From our point of view, clearly in the end he didn’t want to do the thing he told us he wanted to do in the beginning — and that is why we appointed him — to build this club to something really special and it was always going to take more than three years.

“It would be different if there was an incident or we had a disastrous year, or something had happened in our club that he was unhappy with.

“If that is the case, he has never mentioned it to us and I have asked a million times. At the same time, an extremely successful coach has embraced the club and said I choose you.”

The Tigers tied Maguire down for three years — compensation from Penrith will help ease some of the financial burden — after also holding discussions with seven-time premiership winner Wayne Bennett.

Bennett originally approached the Tigers but talks were destined to reach an impasse over the Brisbane coach’s desire to see out the final year of his existing deal.

At the same time, the Tigers were in talks with Maguire, who was free of any club encumbrances. Maguire is also 24 years younger than Bennett and had the potential to be the long-term coach the Tigers craved.

“Timing was never, ever going to be right for us with Bennett,” Go said.

“What we could never reconcile with him was the timing and we were never going to force him to break his contract. To his credit, his position was he didn’t want to leave his club early.

“There was no negative to either of them. They were both great coaches. It is wrong to say he (Maguire) is our second choice. He was never our second choice. There were some things about Michael that were more compelling for us — that is the timing and the potential longevity of his appointment. We need somebody who is going to build this club.”

Cleary is expected to be announced as Penrith coach as early as today, allowing him to work alongside his son Nathan.

“This whole incident has made us realise the changed perception about our club,” Go said. “Years ago nobody wanted to come to our club.

“Be grateful we have been able to attain a really great coach. This is like a sliding door moment. You may look back at this and think ‘Wow, thank God that happened’. Our club has become optimistic.

“This is just a speed hump. I think we have to look at it like that.”

Great statement from Marina Go. With grace and elegance she has left no doubt about how the club feels about Cleary. I agree with her that it's time to move on and let Cleary live with his decision.
 
Who would you prefer as your club spokesperson, Pascoe/Go or Gus Gould…..let me have a nano second to think about that.

That was a great response by Go, I like the way both Pascoe and Go have openly stated there. Disappointment in Cleary and not tried to sugar coat it or try and hide it
 
https://twitter.com/tyhrblue/status/1056689194393755648

Australian spinners ranked

1\. Shane Warne
2\. Gus Gould
3\. Stu MacGill
4\. Richie Benaud
 
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https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1056706779420086272?s=19

he is not going to let this go for a while. It was Brent Read that Cleary clashed with in that post match presser wasnt it?
 
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