2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[Guest]

It was a throwaway line. There was no deeper meaning behind it

Yes there was a mantra behind and yes it has deep meaning. He used it to the guys who ended up leaving the club. Forcing them to make a decision and let us know. They were either coming on this journey with him or they weren’t. He also talked about long term commitment from his players to what he was building. The man has no integrity and neither do some on here who follow people around like a bad smell lol lol lol.

Thanks for back up TIgerpower.

I thought it was pretty common fact. Once again im surprised people want to argue and question things that seem so obvious.

Its not that hard to play nice and get along.

The thing is its not fact, you have trouble with facts as well as mantras..it didnt happen despite you saying it did, you even backflipped and conceded it was the club that ran with it

Last chance for you two to play nice before mod preview is enabled.

 

[Guest]

This is the only warning users are going to get in relation to this thread - Discuss the topic like rational adults, stop making snide remarks and baiting each other or this thread closes. I cannot be any more clear on this. Some of the childish crap on here is nothing short of embarrassing.

 

[HabboTiger]

Anybody got the telegraph benji "players have the wheels now" article?

 

[sideline_eye]

This is the only warning users are going to get in relation to this thread - Discuss the topic like rational adults, stop making snide remarks and baiting each other or this thread closes. I cannot be any more clear on this. Some of the childish crap on here is nothing short of embarrassing.

Willow, I agree wholeheartedly with you about the personal infighting here. However, this is an important thread and should not be closed for the sake of those behaving immaturely. You should take action that doesn't affect the majority of forum members, so please sanction them by whatever means you have available but the majority behave like adults and don't deserve to be punished along with the perpetrators.

 

[851]

Didn't take more than a few minutes to dissect his press release , yet Cleary took 5 days to sort out the statement that said bugger all, as a short sentence from TT clearly shows. Also, unless Chris Lawrence is a liar, Ivan certainly told him no such thing.

It took ages for 851 to disect and understand one word of Bennett’s statements , let alone the rest,

I’m still not sure that he does :smiley:

Funny bloke not, if you look a little harder you will see he agrees with me about Ivans half baked statement.

Who agrees with you?
lm talking about most of the Statements that have been made during this off season, plus the one we’re you were confused on the meaning of “We.” And “ I”.

Pretty much like you being confused about the word hypocrit.
You say Bennett is not coming here, Bennett will never come here, he wants a big pay day and a premiership. The only time he will come here is as an opposition coach.
I do not recall Bennett ever saying any of those things.

 

[Joel Helmes]

It took ages for 851 to disect and understand one word of Bennett’s statements , let alone the rest,

I’m still not sure that he does :smiley:

Funny bloke not, if you look a little harder you will see he agrees with me about Ivans half baked statement.

Who agrees with you?
lm talking about most of the Statements that have been made during this off season, plus the one we’re you were confused on the meaning of “We.” And “ I”.

Pretty much like you being confused about the word hypocrit.
You say Bennett is not coming here, Bennett will never come here, he wants a big pay day and a premiership. The only time he will come here is as an opposition coach.
I do not recall Bennett ever saying any of those things.

Relax guys, we’ll know one way or another soon enough.

 

[Plato]

Back on topic. If recent reports are true the Broncos are interviewing four prospective coaches of whom Maguire is one. If we end up with Maguire it will only be because he is a Bronco's reject - where is the pride in that? I'd rather take the initiative by telling Ivan he can go now with no settlement either way, conduct our own interviews (probably already happening), make an offer to Maguire or anyone else for that matter, and get out of this mess with respect.

 

[Guest]

Back on topic. If recent reports are true the Broncos are interviewing four prospective coaches of whom Maguire is one. If we end up with Maguire it will only be because he is a Bronco's reject - where is the pride in that? I'd rather take the initiative by telling Ivan he can go now with no settlement either way, conduct our own interviews (probably already happening), make an offer to Maguire or anyone else for that matter, and get out of this mess with respect.

You have to take each situation on its own merit though. Merely dismissing Maguire as a Bronco's reject is not the right way to look at it. It may very well be the case that he isn't the right fit for the club at the time, yet he may very well be the right fit for Wests Tigers, based on what he brings/can offer - or vice versa. I think we will come out of this situation with a better coach either way - we just need a decision to be made soon so whoever gets the gig can get straight into planning our pre-season and hiring whatever support staff they need.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Back on topic. If recent reports are true the Broncos are interviewing four prospective coaches of whom Maguire is one. If we end up with Maguire it will only be because he is a Bronco's reject - where is the pride in that? I'd rather take the initiative by telling Ivan he can go now with no settlement either way, conduct our own interviews (probably already happening), make an offer to Maguire or anyone else for that matter, and get out of this mess with respect.

You have to take each situation on its own merit though. Merely dismissing Maguire as a Bronco's reject is not the right way to look at it. It may very well be the case that he isn't the right fit for the club at the time, yet he may very well be the right fit for Wests Tigers, based on what he brings/can offer - or vice versa. I think we will come out of this situation with a better coach either way - we just need a decision to be made soon so whoever gets the gig can get straight into planning our pre-season and hiring whatever support staff they need.

We also don't know all the alternatives that the Broncos have to consider. They may be targeting Toovey as first choice for all we know so to write Maquire off as a broncos reject simply because they don't choose him is incorrect.

 

[851]

Back on topic. If recent reports are true the Broncos are interviewing four prospective coaches of whom Maguire is one. If we end up with Maguire it will only be because he is a Bronco's reject - where is the pride in that? I'd rather take the initiative by telling Ivan he can go now with no settlement either way, conduct our own interviews (probably already happening), make an offer to Maguire or anyone else for that matter, and get out of this mess with respect.

You have to take each situation on its own merit though. Merely dismissing Maguire as a Bronco's reject is not the right way to look at it. It may very well be the case that he isn't the right fit for the club at the time, yet he may very well be the right fit for Wests Tigers, based on what he brings/can offer - or vice versa. I think we will come out of this situation with a better coach either way - we just need a decision to be made soon so whoever gets the gig can get straight into planning our pre-season and hiring whatever support staff they need.

We also don't know all the alternatives that the Broncos have to consider. They may be targeting Toovey as first choice for all we know so to write Maquire off as a broncos reject simply because they don't choose him is incorrect.

I agree with you both, the Bronco's may interview say Walters, Deimetrie, Maguire and Hasler, it all might be for show as they have already signed Seibold, or they might want Maguire and we forced their hand, it is a good ploy from us to be targeting Maguire for 2019 if Bennett won't come til 2020.
It basically puts Bennett and the Bronco's on notice, we won't wait, and I am all for that, be glad when it's over though.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

The Poms post this afternoon. Said Maguire was the front runner.

That was from article somewhere This morning, just the same source as most things that we’ve read for the last couple of months, a “journo”.
No offence Pom, but unless it comes from someone involved it’s just another rumour

There are quotes from Penrith and from Pascoe confirming what most people with common sense can see has happened with Ivan the terrible.

Can you please post or link these quotes from Penrith & Pascoe confirming…. what?

Did a bit of research just for you and your mate from up the coast.

"We asked if Ivan had an interest in our coaching position and he said 'yes'," Panthers chief executive Brian Fletcher told Fairfax Media.

Here’s another one.

"As we expressed to Ivan this morning, the position of the club - and it's a really strong position - is that the club is going to fight for this. Under no circumstances will we be granting Ivan Cleary a release," Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said on Tuesday night.
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There’s also the one about Pascoe telling us his relationship with Ivan Cleary is fractured.

So in 3 quotes we have
- penrith admitting they met with Ivan, asked him if he is interested in the job and he said yes.
- Pascoe telling us that he told Cleary he won’t be released
- Pascoe telling us that his relationship with Cleary is fractured.

Lies, lies , lies…. it’s all lies. Nothing to see here but smoke and mirrors.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If the baiting doesn't stop immediately I am going to start deleting posts.

 

[bigsiro]

Ok…so...

If there was a market for Bennett 2019 / Madge 2019 whaddaya reckon the odds would be?

 

[momo_amp_medo]

This is the only warning users are going to get in relation to this thread - Discuss the topic like rational adults, stop making snide remarks and baiting each other or this thread closes. I cannot be any more clear on this. Some of the childish crap on here is nothing short of embarrassing.

Agree …. Its getting hard to try and figure out what the main topic is any more.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Back on topic. If recent reports are true the Broncos are interviewing four prospective coaches of whom Maguire is one. If we end up with Maguire it will only be because he is a Bronco's reject - where is the pride in that? I'd rather take the initiative by telling Ivan he can go now with no settlement either way, conduct our own interviews (probably already happening), make an offer to Maguire or anyone else for that matter, and get out of this mess with respect.

You have to take each situation on its own merit though. Merely dismissing Maguire as a Bronco's reject is not the right way to look at it. It may very well be the case that he isn't the right fit for the club at the time, yet he may very well be the right fit for Wests Tigers, based on what he brings/can offer - or vice versa. I think we will come out of this situation with a better coach either way - we just need a decision to be made soon so whoever gets the gig can get straight into planning our pre-season and hiring whatever support staff they need.

We also don't know all the alternatives that the Broncos have to consider. They may be targeting Toovey as first choice for all we know so to write Maquire off as a broncos reject simply because they don't choose him is incorrect.

I agree with you both, the Bronco's may interview say Walters, Deimetrie, Maguire and Hasler, it all might be for show as they have already signed Seibold, or they might want Maguire and we forced their hand, it is a good ploy from us to be targeting Maguire for 2019 if Bennett won't come til 2020.
It basically puts Bennett and the Bronco's on notice, we won't wait, and I am all for that, be glad when it's over though.

Another thing to consider may that Maguire may actually say he would rather coach us over the Broncos and turn them down.

Either way the club is doing the right thing, they obviously feel that Ivan won't be here for 2019 so are making plans for that and are not going to sit on their hands.

 

[innsaneink]

**_That was from article somewhere This morning_**, just the same source as most things that we’ve read for the last couple of months, a “journo”.
No offence Pom, but unless it comes from someone involved it’s just another rumour

There are quotes from Penrith and from Pascoe confirming what most people with common sense can see has happened with Ivan the terrible.

Can you please post or link these quotes from Penrith & Pascoe confirming…. what?

Did a bit of research just for you and your mate from up the coast.

"We asked if Ivan had an interest in our coaching position and he said 'yes'," Panthers chief executive Brian Fletcher told Fairfax Media.

Here’s another one.

"As we expressed to Ivan this morning, the position of the club - and it's a really strong position - is that the club is going to fight for this. Under no circumstances will we be granting Ivan Cleary a release," Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said on Tuesday night.
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There’s also the one about Pascoe telling us his relationship with Ivan Cleary is fractured.

So in 3 quotes we have
- penrith admitting they met with Ivan, asked him if he is interested in the job and he said yes.
- Pascoe telling us that he told Cleary he won’t be released
- Pascoe telling us that his relationship with Cleary is fractured.

Lies, lies , lies…. it’s all lies. Nothing to see here but smoke and mirrors.

Oh I see… I thought you meant this recent article GCT was referring to.
Old news.
My mistake

 

[innsaneink]

I doubt we'll hear anything until the international series is complete… Whenever that is.

 

[WT2K]

I doubt we'll hear anything until the international series is complete… Whenever that is.

NZ and England playing 3 test series. 1st test is 27th of October and last test is 11th of November

 

[HabboTiger]

i doubt it will drag that far

 

[diedpretty]

Anybody got the telegraph benji "players have the wheels now" article?

Benji Marshall says Wests Tigers players have taken ownership of the club culture instilled by outgoing boss Ivan Cleary
Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
October 17, 2018 7:00am

WESTS Tigers fans shouldn’t worry if Ivan Cleary hops off the bus because it’s the players who have been driving their new-found culture.

That’s according to veteran playmaker Benji Marshall, who credits Cleary for laying the foundations of the new direction the club is heading, but argues it’s the players who will build on the sense of steeliness and resilience in the side’s defence
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“With the leadership group and the group of players we have, I thought the way we handled the tough times this year well and that will keep us in good stead. It’s the same group that’s going to be there next year,” Marshall said at Zambrero’s Plate 4 Plate day initiative.

“So regardless of who the coach is, I feel like our culture, the way we conduct ourselves on and off the field and the way we drive behaviours at training will be the same next year whether that’s with Ivan in charge or not.

“There’s guys like myself, Chris Lawrence, Russell Packer, Josh Reynolds, Elijah Taylor and what we do is act those behaviours at training and off the field and that rubs off on the rest of the team. If we see behaviours that we don’t want to be in our culture then we’ll step in we’ll say that.

“Any good culture I have been a part of has been driven by the players.

“But Ivan definitely set the bar for what that means at our club and that’s why supporters get disappointed.”
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Cleary is close to formalising a deal with the Penrith Panthers to take over as head coach from season 2021.

Coaching his son Nathan, who himself has just signed a long-term deal to stay at the foot of the mountains, has been a primary motivating factor for Cleary making the switch.

But Marshall remains adamant Cleary won’t ask for an early release from the final two years of his deal at Concord.
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“From knowing Ivan he’s determined to see how his contract. It’s not official that he’s signed at Penrith yet. But if he does, I know he’d want to see his contract out and not leave us hanging,” he said.

“But I don’t know if the club will let that happen. At the moment the players still believe he’s going to be the coach.”

Marshall, who is about to enter his 17th preseason in the NRL, revealed that he played the last month of the competition with a torn right calf.

“I had a drama with it at the beginning of the year and then I did it again against Newcastle (round 21) and I just kept on playing with it for the rest of the year.

But the injury won’t interrupt his preseason and he will return to training as scheduled in mid November.