2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.

Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.

This was more what I was thi king as surely the new coach wants his own people Hodgo makes sense but we would need a team assembled ASAP to have a settled start to pre season.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along

Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario

Possible but my preference is on a positive.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

How is that any different to Bennett Broncos 2019 or Seibold Rabbitohs 2019?

Firstly, i couldnt give a rat's about Brisbane or Souths, my only concern is our club.
Brisbane and Souths are both powerhouses of the competition on the field with an endless stream of brilliant youngsters in their clubs and supremely powerful off the field with massive amounts of cash being tipped in from the Thoroughbreds and Rusty Crowd: there is absolutely no chance they will become laughing stocks of the NRL. We on the other hand struggle on the field (have done for a looooong time now), run on the smell of an oily rag off the field because we have no money, and have huge difficulty enticing quality players to come here. Plus our juniors are largely pus, we can't just promote from within we need to be able to attract talent from outside.
With all this crap innuendo and uncertainty surrounding our club, a minnow club, no players are going to be frothing to come here. That is what I am worried about.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along

Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario too?

Reckon that since August at the latest, WT have already had their loss in this situation and the only way is up for us, regardless of the coming appointment.

 

[Telltails]

I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

How is that any different to Bennett Broncos 2019 or Seibold Rabbitohs 2019?

Firstly, i couldnt give a rat's about Brisbane or Souths, my only concern is our club.
Brisbane and Souths are both powerhouses of the competition on the field with an endless stream of brilliant youngsters in their clubs and supremely powerful off the field with massive amounts of cash being tipped in from the Thoroughbreds and Rusty Crowd: there is absolutely no chance they will become laughing stocks of the NRL. We on the other hand struggle on the field (have done for a looooong time now), run on the smell of an oily rag off the field because we have no money, and have huge difficulty enticing quality players to come here. Plus our juniors are largely pus, we can't just promote from within we need to be able to attract talent from outside.
With all this crap innuendo and uncertainty surrounding our club, a minnow club, no players are going to be frothing to come here. That is what I am worried about.

Agree. Brisbane and to a lesser extent Souths can absorb a year with a coach on the move - they are not in a constant state of rebuild.We on the other hand have made moves to get the basketcase tag off our backs, we cant afford to go their again IMO Cleary and our performances will be scrutinized to the nth degree if he is retained.

 

[Geo]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

Pre season will start around the 20th of Novermber this year…tests be over by then..

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
None of your post makes sense.

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

 

[Geo]

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Oh yeah for sure then next year can become another always next year year…look out 2020..

Cleary has left the building already ..just run with no one...Players play...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Oh yeah for sure then next year can become another always next year year…look out 2020..

Cleary has left the building already ..just run with no one...Players play...

“**As it stands, the Wests Tigers will only release Cleary to join Penrith immediately if they can land what they perceive to be an upgrade** – which is why premiership-winning coach Wayne Bennett and Maguire are the only two candidates being considered.“

This is the way to go. It’s only common sense you would not settle for anything less than an upgrade.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Reading your other post again it says "then" instead of "than" that maybe you intended to write. That 1 letter comletely changed the context of your statement.
Even still, why would we appoint a caretaker coach for 3 years? We need a committed, genuine long-term coach.
Also Ivan is contracted until 2020 isn't he? Looking at a coaching option at the end of 2019 isn't going to put us in any better position than doing it now- he will still be under contract either way.
Anyone but Cleary to coach us in 2019 I'd be happy with. Better than sticking with a bloke who doesn't want to be here, that will not benefit our club in any way IMO.

 

[tiger05premier]

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Your posts do make sense

I just think some people interpret things differently and on occasions a member misreads a post which leads to confusion and bickering

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Reading your other post again it says "then" instead of "than" that maybe you intended to write. That 1 letter comletely changed the context of your statement.
**Even still, why would we appoint a caretaker coach for 3 years? We need a committed, genuine long-term coach.**
Also Ivan is contracted until 2020 isn't he? Looking at a coaching option at the end of 2019 isn't going to put us in any better position than doing it now- he will still be under contract either way.
Anyone but Cleary to coach us in 2019 I'd be happy with. Better than sticking with a bloke who doesn't want to be here, that will not benefit our club in any way IMO.

We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.

 

[Telltails]

You cant discount Ivan walking.
The backlash against him from fans will be immense especially if we miss out on Bennett and Maguire.
Dont think he would put his family through it, which may encourage Penrith to strike a deal to release him so that both clubs can get on with it.
If Ivan is under duress it cant be good for Nathan's game especially if they both live under the same roof.
Penrith imo opinion will pull out all stops - money wise - to resolve it if we miss out on both our coaching targets.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Yeah I just can’t see Cleary holding the reins in 2019, what a mess and something created because of a personal desire, really selfish to let down a place that gave you a lifeline and backed you 100%. This will come back to bite him.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

You cant discount Ivan walking.
The backlash against him from fans will be immense especially if we miss out on Bennett and Maguire.
Dont think he would put his family through it, which may encourage Penrith to strike a deal to release him so that both clubs can get on with it.
If Ivan is under duress it cant be good for Nathan's game especially if they both live under the same roof.
Penrith imo opinion will pull out all stops - money wise - to resolve it if we miss out on both our coaching targets.

Get the pens in make him a offsider to tguy r new coach

 

[Nelson]

Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
**None of your post makes sense.**

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

Reading your other post again it says "then" instead of "than" that maybe you intended to write. That 1 letter comletely changed the context of your statement.
**Even still, why would we appoint a caretaker coach for 3 years? We need a committed, genuine long-term coach.**
Also Ivan is contracted until 2020 isn't he? Looking at a coaching option at the end of 2019 isn't going to put us in any better position than doing it now- he will still be under contract either way.
Anyone but Cleary to coach us in 2019 I'd be happy with. Better than sticking with a bloke who doesn't want to be here, that will not benefit our club in any way IMO.

We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.

Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.

 

[WT2K]

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/wests-tigers-players-are-losing-respect-over-the-doubt-surrounding-ivan-clearys-coaching-future

Thought something like this would eventually come out in the media.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Wests Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe flew to Auckland to have a meeting with prospective coach Michael Maguire about the possibility of replacing Ivan Cleary at the club in 2019.
…..
Pascoe returns from the United States next week, when it is expected several clubs will make key decisions regarding their coaching set-up as they prepare for the start of pre-season, with several clubs kicking off their training programs on November 1.

Can anyone else make any sense of this I assume newspaper article. Did he fly to Auckland and then back to the US. I assume that this is another made up article.

it was on NRL, but frankly im over this saga

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I hope our new coach is signed day 2 of preseason training so Cleary has to face the players face to face on day 1\. A contingent of disgruntled fans turning up to concord would also be fun to be part of.