2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[Tcat]

Pascoe didn’t fly through Auckland to have a chat to coaches based in Australia. Someone signed a contract.

I was thinking the same thing. Unless he went there to beg him in person because Bennett is no chance of coming to us.

 

[coivtny]

Manly are looking at making Barrett work along side Des rather than releasing him.
Smh

Manly have no intention of paying out Trent Barrett, who will be made to continue working for his contract money long after Des Hasler is appointed as his replacement.

Hasler’s return to the northern beaches on a three-year deal will be trumpeted next week, marking an unlikely return to the Sea Eagles. It was widely considered the Hasler deal would not be announced until a settlement had been reached with Barrett, who gave a 12-month notice period last July.

Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.
Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.CREDIT:AAP
But in an unprecedented scenario, the Sea Eagles intend for Barrett to serve out his time in a yet-to-be-defined role, meaning he will remain at the club until the middle of next year alongside Hasler.

The extraordinary transition plan means Barrett is expected to keep working for his money long after the new coach's appointment. Manly powerbrokers are adamant they won’t be paying out a cent to Barrett to get him off their books, but are prepared to grant him a release should he ask for one. Such a move would prevent them from having to pay two coaches at the same time.
Barrett continues to log in at work every day and prepare for the upcoming pre-season to ensure he fulfils his contractual commitments. Sea Eagles officials privately believe he handed in his notice in the expectation he would take over from Anthony Griffin at Penrith, where Barrett was previously an assistant. However, Cameron Ciraldo remains the caretaker Panthers coach until Ivan Cleary rejoins the club, a move most expect will happen in coming weeks.

Barrett’s legal team is closely monitoring the situation in the belief that only their client can claim to be the first-grade coach until his term is served. However, the Sea Eagles are also confident in their position, setting up an ugly stand-off between a coach who seemingly doesn’t want to be there and a club not prepared to pay him out.

Barrett has publicly slammed Manly over the lack of infrastructure and support he has received during his time at the club. However, the facilities are on improvement on those Hasler had at his disposal when he took the Sea Eagles to two premierships.

Hasler’s return to Manly will be the first domino to fall in one of the biggest shake-ups of the coaching ranks in NRL history. Up to five clubs could experience a change of clipboard holder before the 2019 season kicks off.

Cleary is contracted to Wests Tigers for the next two years but is understood to have agreed to return to the foot of the mountains on a three-year deal beginning in 2021\. That move will put pressure on the Tigers to release him immediately, although they won’t do so unless they can find a suitable replacement.

Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has taken a group of corporate sponsors on a study trip of the United States, touring a range of businesses and sporting organisations including the Chicago Bulls. It’s understood Pascoe has met up with potential Cleary replacements Michael Maguire and Wayne Bennett between his US commitments.

Complicating matters is the fact that Bennett is contracted for next season and Maguire is one of four candidates in the running to replace him. The others are Queensland coach Kevin Walters, Broncos assistant Andrew Demetriou and South Sydney coach Anthony Seibold, who is also contracted until 2020\. Seibold is the favourite and the Rabbitohs may be prepared to release him immediately if they can find a suitable replacement, raising the possibility of a straight swap for Bennett.

Maguire’s preference is the Brisbane job, but the New Zealand coach will firm for the Tigers post if he misses out. The Tigers have been inundated with expressions of interest but the joint-venture outfit will only release Cleary if they jag a big-name replacement. That leaves only Maguire and Bennett, the latter keen on a long-term deal once he leaves Red Hill.

Oh wow, Barrett apparently doesn't have one of those contracts that says he must be THE coach of the Manly NRL side. Bu, snarky comments aside, this is exactly what we should be doing with Cleary if he tries to hang out for a payout.

 

[happy_tiger]

Pascoe didn’t fly through Auckland to have a chat to coaches based in Australia. Someone signed a contract.

Someone did mention about a Warriors player possibly signing ….... :sign:

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Manly are looking at making Barrett work along side Des rather than releasing him.
Smh

Manly have no intention of paying out Trent Barrett, who will be made to continue working for his contract money long after Des Hasler is appointed as his replacement.

Hasler’s return to the northern beaches on a three-year deal will be trumpeted next week, marking an unlikely return to the Sea Eagles. It was widely considered the Hasler deal would not be announced until a settlement had been reached with Barrett, who gave a 12-month notice period last July.

Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.
Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.CREDIT:AAP
But in an unprecedented scenario, the Sea Eagles intend for Barrett to serve out his time in a yet-to-be-defined role, meaning he will remain at the club until the middle of next year alongside Hasler.

The extraordinary transition plan means Barrett is expected to keep working for his money long after the new coach's appointment. Manly powerbrokers are adamant they won’t be paying out a cent to Barrett to get him off their books, but are prepared to grant him a release should he ask for one. Such a move would prevent them from having to pay two coaches at the same time.
Barrett continues to log in at work every day and prepare for the upcoming pre-season to ensure he fulfils his contractual commitments. Sea Eagles officials privately believe he handed in his notice in the expectation he would take over from Anthony Griffin at Penrith, where Barrett was previously an assistant. However, Cameron Ciraldo remains the caretaker Panthers coach until Ivan Cleary rejoins the club, a move most expect will happen in coming weeks.

Barrett’s legal team is closely monitoring the situation in the belief that only their client can claim to be the first-grade coach until his term is served. However, the Sea Eagles are also confident in their position, setting up an ugly stand-off between a coach who seemingly doesn’t want to be there and a club not prepared to pay him out.

Barrett has publicly slammed Manly over the lack of infrastructure and support he has received during his time at the club. However, the facilities are on improvement on those Hasler had at his disposal when he took the Sea Eagles to two premierships.

Hasler’s return to Manly will be the first domino to fall in one of the biggest shake-ups of the coaching ranks in NRL history. Up to five clubs could experience a change of clipboard holder before the 2019 season kicks off.

Cleary is contracted to Wests Tigers for the next two years but is understood to have agreed to return to the foot of the mountains on a three-year deal beginning in 2021\. That move will put pressure on the Tigers to release him immediately, although they won’t do so unless they can find a suitable replacement.

Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has taken a group of corporate sponsors on a study trip of the United States, touring a range of businesses and sporting organisations including the Chicago Bulls. It’s understood Pascoe has met up with potential Cleary replacements Michael Maguire and Wayne Bennett between his US commitments.

Complicating matters is the fact that Bennett is contracted for next season and Maguire is one of four candidates in the running to replace him. The others are Queensland coach Kevin Walters, Broncos assistant Andrew Demetriou and South Sydney coach Anthony Seibold, who is also contracted until 2020\. Seibold is the favourite and the Rabbitohs may be prepared to release him immediately if they can find a suitable replacement, raising the possibility of a straight swap for Bennett.

Maguire’s preference is the Brisbane job, but the New Zealand coach will firm for the Tigers post if he misses out. The Tigers have been inundated with expressions of interest but the joint-venture outfit will only release Cleary if they jag a big-name replacement. That leaves only Maguire and Bennett, the latter keen on a long-term deal once he leaves Red Hill.

Wouldn't it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along

 

[newtiger]

It seems that the Broncos are in the driving seat and we will have to wait till they appoint their new coach or knock back applicants, before we can properly determine our path.
If it means holding on to Cleary for another year the club will have to be prepared to wear the impact of that if the results are poor on the field. It will be relentless and will have us back in the basketcase categorie again.

Also Ivan’s reputation in tatters.

 

[newtiger]

This is going to just take one move by a club and all the dominoes will fall into place.

 

[matchball]

Ill take Maguire. Better bargaining chip for next season of musical coaches.

Hopefully we can trade him for Wayne in 12 months time.

So we'd have a coach for a year with one eye elsewhere?

Sounds familiar

Contracts aren't worth a thing these days so why not just grab the best we can now and that can be our bargaining chip for the future.
NRL won't do a thing about it so what else can we do?
Musical chairs of coaching is just another thing wrong with the game. Greenberg has ruined the game in his time running it. No doubt.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Ill take Maguire. Better bargaining chip for next season of musical coaches.

Hopefully we can trade him for Wayne in 12 months time.

So we'd have a coach for a year with one eye elsewhere?

Sounds familiar

**Contracts aren't worth a thing these days** so why not just grab the best we can now and that can be our bargaining chip for the future.
NRL won't do a thing about it so what else can we do?
Musical chairs of coaching is just another thing wrong with the game. Greenberg has ruined the game in his time running it. No doubt.

This is why I was scratching my head when the story was circulating that we’d signed Maguire for 4 years. What does that even mean? Why not just sign him for 10 years, or even 20.

 

[jirskyr]

Ill take Maguire. Better bargaining chip for next season of musical coaches.

Hopefully we can trade him for Wayne in 12 months time.

So we'd have a coach for a year with one eye elsewhere?

Sounds familiar

**Contracts aren't worth a thing these days** so why not just grab the best we can now and that can be our bargaining chip for the future.
NRL won't do a thing about it so what else can we do?
Musical chairs of coaching is just another thing wrong with the game. Greenberg has ruined the game in his time running it. No doubt.

This is why I was scratching my head when the story was circulating that we’d signed Maguire for 4 years. What does that even mean? Why not just sign him for 10 years, or even 20.

Because you open yourself to massive payouts if things don't go to plan.

 

[jirskyr]

I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.

Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.

How is that any different to Bennett Broncos 2019 or Seibold Rabbitohs 2019?

 

[Seantice]

Pascoe didn’t fly through Auckland to have a chat to coaches based in Australia. Someone signed a contract.

I agree. I think Maguire is already signed and are just sorting Clearly out. Honestly Tigers have a lot of upside. Great fan support, new COE being built and playing out of the new WSS stadium. Our roster is a good starting point and we have money still in the cap free.

I think Maguire is signed and we will just wait until Justin is back in the country to tell us.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

 

[coivtny]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

I would imagine it's mainly conditioning work for the first month or so. If he has signed on Maguire could outline his expectations and allow Hodgson to run the show until he returns.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.

 

[steve-o]

Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along

Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario too?

 

[Harvey]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.

Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.

 

[WT2K]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

I would imagine it's mainly conditioning work for the first month or so. If he has signed on Maguire could outline his expectations and allow Hodgson to run the show until he returns.

If it's madge or Wayne I'd say you are right in that hodgosn would take control at the start of pre-season until the new coach's team is put it place.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/wests-tigers-players-are-losing-respect-over-the-doubt-surrounding-ivan-clearys-coaching-future

 

[happy_tiger]

So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.

Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.

Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.

I'm guessing Ivan has had a say in every appointment bar Webster

I'm guessing Webster would take over short term , that or Marina Go 😱pen_mouth:

 

[cqtiger]

Manly are looking at making Barrett work along side Des rather than releasing him.
Smh

Manly have no intention of paying out Trent Barrett, who will be made to continue working for his contract money long after Des Hasler is appointed as his replacement.

Hasler’s return to the northern beaches on a three-year deal will be trumpeted next week, marking an unlikely return to the Sea Eagles. It was widely considered the Hasler deal would not be announced until a settlement had been reached with Barrett, who gave a 12-month notice period last July.

Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.
Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.CREDIT:AAP
But in an unprecedented scenario, the Sea Eagles intend for Barrett to serve out his time in a yet-to-be-defined role, meaning he will remain at the club until the middle of next year alongside Hasler.

The extraordinary transition plan means Barrett is expected to keep working for his money long after the new coach's appointment. Manly powerbrokers are adamant they won’t be paying out a cent to Barrett to get him off their books, but are prepared to grant him a release should he ask for one. Such a move would prevent them from having to pay two coaches at the same time.
Barrett continues to log in at work every day and prepare for the upcoming pre-season to ensure he fulfils his contractual commitments. Sea Eagles officials privately believe he handed in his notice in the expectation he would take over from Anthony Griffin at Penrith, where Barrett was previously an assistant. However, Cameron Ciraldo remains the caretaker Panthers coach until Ivan Cleary rejoins the club, a move most expect will happen in coming weeks.

Barrett’s legal team is closely monitoring the situation in the belief that only their client can claim to be the first-grade coach until his term is served. However, the Sea Eagles are also confident in their position, setting up an ugly stand-off between a coach who seemingly doesn’t want to be there and a club not prepared to pay him out.

Barrett has publicly slammed Manly over the lack of infrastructure and support he has received during his time at the club. However, the facilities are on improvement on those Hasler had at his disposal when he took the Sea Eagles to two premierships.

Hasler’s return to Manly will be the first domino to fall in one of the biggest shake-ups of the coaching ranks in NRL history. Up to five clubs could experience a change of clipboard holder before the 2019 season kicks off.

Cleary is contracted to Wests Tigers for the next two years but is understood to have agreed to return to the foot of the mountains on a three-year deal beginning in 2021\. That move will put pressure on the Tigers to release him immediately, although they won’t do so unless they can find a suitable replacement.

Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has taken a group of corporate sponsors on a study trip of the United States, touring a range of businesses and sporting organisations including the Chicago Bulls. It’s understood Pascoe has met up with potential Cleary replacements Michael Maguire and Wayne Bennett between his US commitments.

Complicating matters is the fact that Bennett is contracted for next season and Maguire is one of four candidates in the running to replace him. The others are Queensland coach Kevin Walters, Broncos assistant Andrew Demetriou and South Sydney coach Anthony Seibold, who is also contracted until 2020\. Seibold is the favourite and the Rabbitohs may be prepared to release him immediately if they can find a suitable replacement, raising the possibility of a straight swap for Bennett.

Maguire’s preference is the Brisbane job, but the New Zealand coach will firm for the Tigers post if he misses out. The Tigers have been inundated with expressions of interest but the joint-venture outfit will only release Cleary if they jag a big-name replacement. That leaves only Maguire and Bennett, the latter keen on a long-term deal once he leaves Red Hill.

Oh wow, Barrett apparently doesn't have one of those contracts that says he must be THE coach of the Manly NRL side. Bu, snarky comments aside, this is exactly what we should be doing with Cleary if he tries to hang out for a payout.

No he doesn’t, not since he handed in his resignation letter.