2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[wonka]

On the Tigers website Pascoe & Egan welcome the 3 new players into 1st grade.

Not a mention from the coach anywhere…..ohh that's right he is on holidays.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cannot understand the hysteria on here because Ivan is leaving when his contract is finished in 2 years time..

That is all that we have to go on at the moment,nothing more nothing less,the rest is speculation and emotions running high..

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,as long as he professionally coaches the team and continues his great work that he has done so far at this club until his contract is up,is all we can ask….calling him names and the like wont really make a difference if he is still here and doing a good job..

This is the world of NRL,a high career changing business,one day your the best player since Dally Messenger,the next your out with a career ending injury...
One day your the best coach to have ever graced the football park...next your sacked because of a number of reasons if any...

Contractual agreements are like toilet paper and what its used for these days....Money speaks volumes more ….

If Ivan goes next year or is released,sobeit,I wont lose sleep over it...there will be another coach employed to take his place and the carnival keeps going and going and going...

Welcome to the world of rugby league as we know it today....theres always a story...

Players don't need excuses not to perform or go the extra mile

Keeping Cleary does exactly that

They are profesional players on big salaries,or dont they have to perform well week in week out to get their pay..just throw on the jumper and look good…

 

[happy_tiger]

I still cannot understand the hysteria on here because Ivan is leaving when his contract is finished in 2 years time..

That is all that we have to go on at the moment,nothing more nothing less,the rest is speculation and emotions running high..

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,as long as he professionally coaches the team and continues his great work that he has done so far at this club until his contract is up,is all we can ask….calling him names and the like wont really make a difference if he is still here and doing a good job..

This is the world of NRL,a high career changing business,one day your the best player since Dally Messenger,the next your out with a career ending injury...
One day your the best coach to have ever graced the football park...next your sacked because of a number of reasons if any...

Contractual agreements are like toilet paper and what its used for these days....Money speaks volumes more ….

If Ivan goes next year or is released,sobeit,I wont lose sleep over it...there will be another coach employed to take his place and the carnival keeps going and going and going...

Welcome to the world of rugby league as we know it today....theres always a story...

Players don't need excuses not to perform or go the extra mile

Keeping Cleary does exactly that

They are profesional players on big salaries,or dont they have to perform well week in week out to get their pay..just throw on the jumper and look good…

It's not that at all TT , but if you have a mental tap out , when it gets too hard it only takes your performance to drop 1 % and it's all over on game day

 

[Bee-Em]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when he re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

That was well known for most of the time he has been here it’s not “All of a sudden”.
Hence all the posts that wanted Nathan to come here,, and quite a lot of those were wishing that he would jump ship and join us straight away, ironically the same thing that we find so distasteful when it’s being done to us. It wasn’t a secret that he wanted to coach Nathan at some time,

So you would assume with that train of thought that Ivan had all intentions of bringing Nathan over? Because if this wasn't the case, why the hell did he take on such a big gig at the Tigers if all along he wanted to coach his son at Penrith (or where ever except at the Tigers)? Maybe just to earn a wage in the interim.

And I can't see how a player signing a contract 2 years down the track can be compared to a coach doing the same thing. A huge difference in my books

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I still cannot understand the hysteria on here because Ivan is leaving when his contract is finished in 2 years time..

That is all that we have to go on at the moment,nothing more nothing less,the rest is speculation and emotions running high..

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,as long as he professionally coaches the team and continues his great work that he has done so far at this club until his contract is up,is all we can ask….calling him names and the like wont really make a difference if he is still here and doing a good job..

This is the world of NRL,a high career changing business,one day your the best player since Dally Messenger,the next your out with a career ending injury...
One day your the best coach to have ever graced the football park...next your sacked because of a number of reasons if any...

Contractual agreements are like toilet paper and what its used for these days....Money speaks volumes more ….

If Ivan goes next year or is released,sobeit,I wont lose sleep over it...there will be another coach employed to take his place and the carnival keeps going and going and going...

Welcome to the world of rugby league as we know it today....theres always a story...

Hear what your saying and agree that player loyalty is well dead.
But a player looking for a better contract is a totally different thing to a coach/manager. They have totally different roles and significance to their team, culture and players.

Happy for someone to correct me, but I can't recall ever hearing about a coach (in a competitive league) that has signed elsewhere for 2 -3 years later. And there's a reason why it never happens; coach loyalty simply can never be in question.

Unless there was other people were in the chain, the public would never know, if it hasn’t happened it’d be a miracle,
Why tell any one ? Youve seen what a mountain that the press turn it into.
As I David before if Seabold has been very cagey about what he’s doing after this contract, he could have easily already signed somewhere,
The only reason that the spotlight is so bright this year ,is that that Nathan is involved(alledgedly )
Coaches could sign a year out or even two if the club involved and the Coach wanted that,

 

[TrueTiger]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then why is his tenure untenable....he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

 

[bigsiro]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

 

[innsaneink]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

 

[The_Patriot]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then **why is his tenure untenable.**...he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

As i said in my last post :unamused:

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why people are saying it is untenable you might start seeing it differently.

Dont turn it back on me as a question and get all uppity.

Try taking to the time to see why people are upset.

 

[HabboTiger]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

Like that time we signed Twal…

 

[bigsiro]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

And?

 

[innsaneink]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

And?

Id have thought it would be on their website if he publicly signed with them

 

[happy_tiger]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then why is his tenure untenable....he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

My other final point on this would be " if we draw Penrith twice in the 2019 draw , do you have 100% confidence in Ivan Cleary "

We aren't a club that can afford to be dropping two games before they are even played …...

 

[TIGERPOWER]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then why is his tenure untenable....he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

My other final point on this would be " if we draw Penrith twice in the 2019 draw , do you have 100% confidence in Ivan Cleary "

We aren't a club that can afford to be dropping two games before they are even played …...

For Pascoe to come out and say that Ivan has compromised his friendship than anyone thinking Ivan hasn’t asked for a release is delusional. Ivan is only here because he legally has to be, he would have walked before the season even ended to go coach his son if we allowed him to. So to make his position untenable and to force our hand he goes and signs with Penrith for 2021\. He is very canaiving.

Secondly him signing for panthers in 2021 is in effect him saying that I can’t get to where I need to here so I need to get of the bus and go somewhere I think I can. You can’t lead players around when you don’t believe in the joint.

I know we still don’t have confirmation he has signed with Penrith but there is way to much noise for this story to just be a media beat up. I put my faith in Pascoe and team to have us a coach who hasn’t given up on us for next year.

 

[bigsiro]

Yes, I'm sure it happens in private.
But the only reason this has been so public is cos Ivan publicly signed with them for 2021.

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

And?

Id have thought it would be on their website if he publicly signed with them

I think it was made public enough.
Anyway I'm not really clear on your point; are you saying that (a) Cleary hasn't actually signed with Panthers, or that (b) it's acceptable for coaches to sign for rival clubs.
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[innsaneink]

Has he?
Nothing on Penriths website about it last time I looked

And?

Id have thought it would be on their website if he publicly signed with them

I think it was made public enough.
Anyway I'm not really clear on your point; are you saying that (a) Cleary hasn't actually signed with Panthers, or that (b) it's acceptable for coaches to sign for rival clubs.
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Its media speculation…nothing more, and certainly not a public signing

 

[TrueTiger]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then why is his tenure untenable....he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

My other final point on this would be " if we draw Penrith twice in the 2019 draw , do you have 100% confidence in Ivan Cleary "

We aren't a club that can afford to be dropping two games before they are even played …...

So the imagination starts to run wild…why would Ivan not coach our team to be the best they can,if they get beat fair and square,why wouldnt I have faith in Ivan...or are you saying that he would want our team to let Nathans team win...you know,silly penalties,dropped balls,forward passes and offside plays...fairdinkum some people should get in the real world..

 

[TrueTiger]

So what if Ivan coaches the Panthers in 2021,

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why the entire rugby league community are saying Ivans position is untenable you might also start to understand why Wests Tigers fans who have been through hell and back for the last few years have a massive problem with this.

This is not much different to the Jason taylor situation where most could see he didnt have what it takes to be an NRL coach but certain personality types were happy to keep the status quo and ride it out.

Its all semantics anyhow, Justin Pascoe and the board will not let Ivan run this club while his priorities are elsewhere. Just will not happen!

He is gone. its just a matter of the details.

There is a huge difference between JT and Ivan…Ivan has done a lot more in 12 months at this club than JT could do in 12 years...
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If people are up in arms about what is happening and the rugby league community cant handle it,then they should follow another sport...this is the world of NRL as we know it,the big dollars have made a huge impact on our game and it will continue unless contractual agreements are made to be honoured by players and coaches alike....the contracts are the joke and how they are manipulated with get out clauses etc etc..
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Also Patriot,if Ivan is here for the remainder of his contract and is fulfilling his obligations of his agreement,then **why is his tenure untenable.**...he would have my support and I will pay my membership as well...I hope he coaches the team well,we surprised many teams last year and hopefully it continues next year under Ivans coaching...

As i said in my last post :unamused:

All i can say is if you take the time to try and understand why people are saying it is untenable you might start seeing it differently.

Dont turn it back on me as a question and get all uppity.

Try taking to the time to see why people are upset.

I didnt turn anything on you Patriot,I can have my say and give an opinion just as you do…

Firstly,people can say it is untenable as much as they like,they cant see the future or what is happening at the WTs behind closed doors...its just their opinion...
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Secondly,people are upset because things arent going the way they want it to go..Ivan can do what he likes when he likes...it his career and life...

If you and others have had a close view on the NRL over the last few years you would understand that this sort of thing happens regularly....

I just dont let emotions get in the way ...it is only a sport....

 

[Geo]

What's also bizarre is the idea that I.C all of a sudden figures out he wants to coach his son, 18 months after taking on a major role with the Tigers. Did he not have any inclination to coach N.C before this? Maybe he did but N.C spoiled those plans when re re-upped with Penrith?

And bizarre x 3 is that Ivan is (reportedly) going back to a club that sacked him!! That I don't understand. Must be more to this than meets the eye..

Because he was never sacked

IC was trying to stop being accused of nepotism so left Penrith until NC made it

Now NC has made it

Entire thread called conspiracy theory …...

Starting to make a hell of a lot of sense now isn't it

:laughing: :laughing: no….it isn't.....

 

[bigsiro]

Its media speculation…nothing more, and certainly not a public signing

Must be getting lonely under that giant rock.