2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[avocadoontoast]

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Just skipped from page 41 to 90…What I miss?

nothing much, just same old drama from page 1

 

[bigsiro]

Just skipped from page 41 to 90…What I miss?

HA!
Absolutely Nothing!

 

[NT_Tiger]

YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND…….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......
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ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,

I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.

Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

 

[TheDaBoss]

YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND…….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......
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ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,

I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.

Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.

its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come

 

[GNR4LIFE]

YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND…….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......
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ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,

I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.

Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.

its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come

Yeah, we might finish in the bottom half of the 8 for the 8th consecutive year, which wasn't looking likely anyway before this crap hit the fan 😕

 

[avocadoontoast]

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

That's fine, but if we end up with Cleary here in 2019 it will be a complete disaster. His position is untenable and will do potentially irreparable damage if he stays here any longer. Cut our losses, get rid of him, start again.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

wE sHoUlDn'T rElEaSe HiM UnLeSs PeNrItH cOmPeNsAtE uS wItH pLaYeRs


 

[NT_Tiger]

YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND…….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......
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ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,

I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.

Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.

its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come

Of course, but the bottom line (the non-emotional legal bit) is, he has a contract.

 

[Telltails]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

Correct, and we'll be stuck with a coach that we don't want and doesn't want us.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

Would be hilarious if he wound up out in the cold, but he isn't leaving here without a payout unless he has somewhere to go.

 

[supercoach]

I agree smart request by the board. Penrith basically started all this crap, and okay it might not have been illegal but it was certainly unethical. The question is, how badly do they want Cleary and at what price. I think IC would be willing to throw some of his own money towards getting a release, because although has not said anything publicly it is pretty obvious he wants out ASAP. As others have said we need to be getting something out of all this because we are the victim in this saga.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

I don't think Penrith will be bending over themselves to pay that sort of compensation. At the same time though, we have to show some backbone and keep a price on his head.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

I don't think Penrith will be bending over themselves to pay that sort of compensation. At the same time though, we have to show some backbone and keep a price on his head.

We'll soon discover if there is any father/son clause in NC's contract.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

I don't think Penrith will be bending over themselves to pay that sort of compensation. At the same time though, we have to show some backbone and keep a price on his head.

Penrith aren't going to pay anything. Ivan was used as a pawn to sign Nathan. Why would any club go to such extreme measures to sign a sub 50% coach that they'd previously fired? Now that Nathan is signed long term Penrith don't need to do anything. They know we need to get rid of Ivan more than they need him.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I wouldn't worry. That just says "we are willing to negotiate"… I doubt Rothfield can interpret that though.

I mean really, there's no point posting tidbits from him. There is no one less likely to have an insider on our board. He probably heard it from the "footy whisperer" while getting a massage from him at one of Eddie Hayson's joints

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

I don't think Penrith will be bending over themselves to pay that sort of compensation. At the same time though, we have to show some backbone and keep a price on his head.

Penrith aren't going to pay anything. Ivan was used as a pawn to sign Nathan. Why would any club go to such extreme measures to sign a sub 50% coach that they'd previously fired? Now that Nathan is signed long term Penrith don't need to do anything. They know we need to get rid of Ivan more than they need him.

We don't need to get rid of him at all. I think the club is happy to persist with him, unless we can come out of this in a stronger position. If the situation was that toxic and we needed to get rid of him, we wouldn't be putting a price on his head. He'd get a release with no provisions, and he probably would have gotten it weeks ago. The fact we want compensation shows we're happy to use some leverage.