2019 NRL Grand Finals *Spoilers

[OzLuke]

@OzLuke

I noticed a bunch of play the balls last night where the man playing the ball was on a 45 degree angle. Nofa on the other hand...Penalty in front.

sometimes cummins likes to call held after 2 seconds, othertimes we waits a whole half

 

[TYGA]

Orchestrated competition have been saying it last two years wake up people who think it’s anything different.

Why would they orchestrate for a Roosters win? It does nothing for fans, national footprint, junior development, junior involvement etc.

It’s the Glamour Club of the NRL League as stated by the chairman, who has been on the jock of star players for years with the CEO. Won’t let them lose.

 

[OzLuke]

Orchestrated competition have been saying it last two years wake up people who think it’s anything different.

Why would they orchestrate for a Roosters win? It does nothing for fans, national footprint, junior development, junior involvement etc.


It’s the Glamour Club of the NRL League as stated by the chairman, who has been on the jock of star players for years with the CEO. Won’t let them lose.

and they tried so hard to make it a souths roosters gf too

 

[Tim Sheens]

I will spell it out for you as clearly as possible.

And now Magpiecol I will spell it out as clearly as possible for you.

A referee is not allowed to reverse a call during play, as it is a rule, not open to interpretation and that is why there is uproar. Instead of building a bridge, like your mate, through Annesley, the NRL have tried to build a wall, when openness and truth was required.

 

[rustycage]

No guarantees the raiders would have scored, but the opportunity to do so was ripped from them. It's always about building pressure. Sustained pressure almost always results in points. Robbed of the opportunity to score in that instance sums it up.

They didn’t have to score. They could have kicked a field goal, got a penalty etc. It was a game changer.

They could have knocked on, kicked it over the dead ball line, produced a blatant forward pass, missed kicked the ball, played the ball incorrectly, had the ball stolen from them etc. etc.

During the game they had untold opportunities to score a try and could only break the Rorters defensive line once.

The chances of them doing it a second time looked very slim to me. Just not good enough.

Well the fact that the opportunity was stolen from them leaves them wide open to criticism. Disgraceful.

Maybe, but hardly robbed.

No, robbed sums it up pretty well. You and a few others just seem to like to argue for the sake of it.

Robbed is if you score legally and then have the try not awarded.

You are not robbed if you may have scored and if this went your way or that went your way.

Too many people on here that hate the Rorters no matter what they do.

Well what they did, was win the game.... and you can't argue with that.

Robbed of the opportunity score Russell sheesh! They were actually robbed of that massive opportunity. They may not have, but they had massive chance. Or they perhaps could have gone for a field goal or a repeat set. Robbed of the opportunity to pile on more pressure until the roosters did crack. It's your choice if you want.to listen to reason.

 

[OzLuke]

No guarantees the raiders would have scored, but the opportunity to do so was ripped from them. It's always about building pressure. Sustained pressure almost always results in points. Robbed of the opportunity to score in that instance sums it up.

They didn’t have to score. They could have kicked a field goal, got a penalty etc. It was a game changer.

They could have knocked on, kicked it over the dead ball line, produced a blatant forward pass, missed kicked the ball, played the ball incorrectly, had the ball stolen from them etc. etc.

During the game they had untold opportunities to score a try and could only break the Rorters defensive line once.

The chances of them doing it a second time looked very slim to me. Just not good enough.

Well the fact that the opportunity was stolen from them leaves them wide open to criticism. Disgraceful.

Maybe, but hardly robbed.

No, robbed sums it up pretty well. You and a few others just seem to like to argue for the sake of it.

Robbed is if you score legally and then have the try not awarded.

You are not robbed if you may have scored and if this went your way or that went your way.

Too many people on here that hate the Rorters no matter what they do.

Well what they did, was win the game.... and you can't argue with that.

Robbed of the opportunity score Russell sheesh! They were actually robbed of that massive opportunity. They may not have, but they had massive chance. Or they perhaps could have gone for a field goal or a repeat set. Robbed of the opportunity to pile on more pressure until the roosters did crack. It's your choice if you want.to listen to reason.

No guarantees the raiders would have scored, but the opportunity to do so was ripped from them. It's always about building pressure. Sustained pressure almost always results in points. Robbed of the opportunity to score in that instance sums it up.

They didn’t have to score. They could have kicked a field goal, got a penalty etc. It was a game changer.

They could have knocked on, kicked it over the dead ball line, produced a blatant forward pass, missed kicked the ball, played the ball incorrectly, had the ball stolen from them etc. etc.

During the game they had untold opportunities to score a try and could only break the Rorters defensive line once.

The chances of them doing it a second time looked very slim to me. Just not good enough.

Well the fact that the opportunity was stolen from them leaves them wide open to criticism. Disgraceful.

Maybe, but hardly robbed.

No, robbed sums it up pretty well. You and a few others just seem to like to argue for the sake of it.

Robbed is if you score legally and then have the try not awarded.

You are not robbed if you may have scored and if this went your way or that went your way.

Too many people on here that hate the Rorters no matter what they do.

Well what they did, was win the game.... and you can't argue with that.

Robbed of the opportunity score Russell sheesh! They were actually robbed of that massive opportunity. They may not have, but they had massive chance. Or they perhaps could have gone for a field goal or a repeat set. Robbed of the opportunity to pile on more pressure until the roosters did crack. It's your choice if you want.to listen to reason.

So many of the NRL's new rules are devoted to "denying the opportunity"....look at obstructions, escorts etc....that's basically what it comes down to. Because of the referee's bungle the raiders were denied the opportunity to do probably statistically what 90 out of 100 footy people would do. He keeps his arm up for final tackle it changes the entire fields mindset.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think the referees changing their mind the way they did was completely inappropriate, and was completely unfair.
But on thinking about it, I am pretty sure I have seen that before. I am almost certain I have seen teams attacking on the last and there’s some sort of ricochet and the referee still has his hand in the air signalling last, then he changes to six again.

Yeah, that is normal, as the arm in the air is not a decision or ruling, simply an action to signal last tackle, rather than only muttering the words, for the reason that a call is often not audible on the field. Which is extremely pertinent on a big stage and why a whistle is utilised.

That refereeing signal remains until any action occurs that will cause for it to be altered, by say, an indiscretion or playing at the ball.

 

[supercoach]

No guarantees the raiders would have scored, but the opportunity to do so was ripped from them. It's always about building pressure. Sustained pressure almost always results in points. Robbed of the opportunity to score in that instance sums it up.

They didn’t have to score. They could have kicked a field goal, got a penalty etc. It was a game changer.

They could have knocked on, kicked it over the dead ball line, produced a blatant forward pass, missed kicked the ball, played the ball incorrectly, had the ball stolen from them etc. etc.

During the game they had untold opportunities to score a try and could only break the Rorters defensive line once.

The chances of them doing it a second time looked very slim to me. Just not good enough.

Well the fact that the opportunity was stolen from them leaves them wide open to criticism. Disgraceful.

Maybe, but hardly robbed.

No, robbed sums it up pretty well. You and a few others just seem to like to argue for the sake of it.

Robbed is if you score legally and then have the try not awarded.

You are not robbed if you may have scored and if this went your way or that went your way.

Too many people on here that hate the Rorters no matter what they do.

Well what they did, was win the game.... and you can't argue with that.

Many hate the Raiders too and have done so for 30 years, openly admitting it... Hypocrite

Completely different circumstance. When a call is reversed on a line drop out or a 25 tap the team who kicked the ball had already made their play. In the six again situation the Raiders changed their last play option on the signal of the ref, if had not made the call they could have kicked a fig who knows

No spin from the NRL will convince me it was anything other than a terrible call

 

[jirskyr]

Orchestrated competition have been saying it last two years wake up people who think it’s anything different.

Why would they orchestrate for a Roosters win? It does nothing for fans, national footprint, junior development, junior involvement etc.


It’s the Glamour Club of the NRL League as stated by the chairman, who has been on the jock of star players for years with the CEO. Won’t let them lose.

and they tried so hard to make it a souths roosters gf too

Too many people confuse incompetence with intention.

I thoroughly believe that NRL does not orchestrate results. Sure, there are certain matches that are better for ratings and finances, but to intentionally bias a season's outcome is ridiculous. It would a very wide level of fraud, to also include the refs, with no leaks or whistle-blowers - the NRL leaks news like a sieve, you don't reckon the media would be all over it if there was actual match fixing.

Now the refs making mistakes or changing interpretations on the fly, that's a real issue, evident without conspiracy. They've had several goes at changing the ref's boss and it's been a recurring issue, so clearly it's something very difficult to get right, and fundamentally refs will make mistakes.

The current ref's boss Bernie Sutton is out this year, so we'll have another refresh. I also don't think Annesley does himself any favours getting up there on a Monday morning and cherry-picking his interpretations on camera, often with an apparent lack of full preparedness. And for every incident you review, you miss 100 that people want to talk about. Probably better off not doing the review, it just winds people up.

 

[OzLuke]

Orchestrated competition have been saying it last two years wake up people who think it’s anything different.

Why would they orchestrate for a Roosters win? It does nothing for fans, national footprint, junior development, junior involvement etc.


It’s the Glamour Club of the NRL League as stated by the chairman, who has been on the jock of star players for years with the CEO. Won’t let them lose.

and they tried so hard to make it a souths roosters gf too

Too many people confuse incompetence with intention.

I thoroughly believe that NRL does not orchestrate results. Sure, there are certain matches that are better for ratings and finances, but to intentionally bias a season's outcome is ridiculous. It would a very wide level of fraud, to also include the refs, with no leaks or whistle-blowers - the NRL leaks news like a sieve, you don't reckon the media would be all over it if there was actual match fixing.

Now the refs making mistakes or changing interpretations on the fly, that's a real issue, evident without conspiracy. They've had several goes at changing the ref's boss and it's been a recurring issue, so clearly it's something very difficult to get right, and fundamentally refs will make mistakes.

The current ref's boss Bernie Sutton is out this year, so we'll have another refresh. I also don't think Annesley does himself any favours getting up there on a Monday morning and cherry-picking his interpretations on camera, often with an apparent lack of full preparedness. And for every incident you review, you miss 100 that people want to talk about. Probably better off not doing the review, it just winds people up.

I understand what you're saying, and if it were true then rugby league in this country would die a horrible, flaming death.

But with everything contentious that happens in the NRL, and it is week in week out, it's very easy to see where the smoke comes from. Could you imagine the NRL rubbing their hands together at the thought of a rabbits/roosters gf? I personally thought a lot of the bunnies calls were suss, and were given every opportunity to win from officials they just muffed it....same against Manly manly were dudded big time against the rabbits......
Not saying it's true, but man alive it's easy to see otherwise

 

[tigerbill]

You just can't have a situation where one ref can wave six again and dramatically impact the play...and one says no. There were80 000 people screaming, so all the players would have known was the CLEAR six again signal.

Annesley is delusional rattling on about the sec ref ovveruled and they called it out four times. No waya player can be expected to see one signal and then try to listen out for a contradictory call with 80 000 people yelling.


It wasn’t six again . In the end the right call.
Cronk getting 10 was the wrong call.

I'll spell it out for you as clearly as possible.
Whether it was the right call or not doesn't matter; it's the changing of the decision at a crucial time. If they had known it was the last, they would have played differently. It's not hard to understand mate.


I will spell it out for you as clearly as possible.

How many times has the original decision to award a line drop out or a 25 meter tap been changed because the original call was incorrect? Or when a try is awarded and then not? The list is endless.

In the end the correct call was made. Build a bridge.

Lol, you still fail to understand. Reversing the decision of a dropout or a 25 meter tap is very differnt to a six again call WHILE YOU ARE PLAYING; you play the ball differently. Don't know why I answer, obviously just feeding a troll.

 

[Don Kershane]

Ratings disaster for Channel 9.Who would have thought? A despised team and a busload of mumbling commentators doing work experience at the biggest game of the year.

 

[diedpretty]

@formerguest Mate, you see them on the field all the time when not required. Regardless of whether they are allowed on the field when their team has possession, it shouldn't be allowed. I know you might say, ' But they are there to hydrate or tend to their players after a defensive set'. It shouldn't be allowed and yet another case where rules can be bent.


Yeah, not a fan of it either, but you were insinuating that they are organising defensive lines, which is not the case.

But they are reading defensive lines and calling where players should be running. Its like a bloody under 7's coach running behind his team. Absolute joke.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Lowest TV audience for a grand final since the records started in 03.

 

[OzLuke]

Lowest TV audience for a grand final since the records started in 03.

because every single roosters fan alive was for once at the game and not watching it at home

 

[matchball]

Lowest TV audience for a grand final since the records started in 03.

People are turning away from the game. I used to watch every game of every round and slowly lost my joy with how soft the game has become and referees stagnate play any chance they get.
I also hate how referees became 'celebrity' within the game and it goes to there heads. You would think the game is about the refs the way it's been.

I'll just stick to Tigers games and give the rest of the game a wide berth.

 

[NT_Tiger]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-07/peter-beattie-backs-officials-nrl-grand-final-raiders-roosters/11578922
Does anyone need any more evidence that the NRL is a running Joke?

 

[TheDaBoss]


 

[jirskyr]

Could you imagine the NRL rubbing their hands together at the thought of a rabbits/roosters gf? I personally thought a lot of the bunnies calls were suss, and were given every opportunity to win from officials they just muffed it…same against Manly manly were dudded big time against the rabbits…

They'd be rubbing their hands together less than for a Broncos-Warriors GF.

Rabbits v Roosters does not grow the game at all - Rabbits already have high membership and Roosters fans won't turn up even if they won every premiership for a decade. Roosters don't draw crowds at games or on TV.

Basically everyone in the nation was rooting for Canberra on Sunday night and it would have made for great media coverage if they won, a huge boost for the game in Canberra (which is under siege from AFL and a large Melbourne ex-pat community) rather than disgusted hordes turning off and not even watching the trophy presentation to the Roosters (I turned it off straight after Wighton got the CCM).

What really stinks is that everyone thinks the Roosters are some how cheating to get such an awesome roster, and in that way it's not fun to watch. Forget NRL cheating or perceived favouritism - what leaves a bad taste in the mouth is a side stacked with internationals gradually choking out their opposition over two seasons. Aussies and Kiwis love an underdog, not a fancy team of cashed-up show ponies. Roosters winning is terrible for the game - I saw it stated that the TV audience was low?

The 2018-2019 Roosters side is the first time I have legitimately questioned how a team can have such a good roster under the salary cap. There have been some teams with awesome footballers and nuffies, or juniors that came good, but Roosters are fundamentally a bought side.

It's made worse that they bought Tedesco, which hurts on a personal note, but to sign both Cronk and Tedesco for 2018 and then use those players as the crux of their campaigns, easily $2M of talent just between them, in a $9.6M cap (21%). Plus Luke Keary the year prior, who had already proven himself with Souths.

re bad decisions - every bad decision is potentially suss, but you've got a huge problem on your hands if you start thinking "who benefits here?" after every bad call, because you'll never finish. Someone always benefits. Oh penalty Broncos, they want Broncos to win. No, wait, they want Storm in the GF. No wait, Cameron Smith runs the game. No, it's a Roosters-Rabbit grand final that's favoured. Etc. etc.

 

[TCL]

@hobbo1 if it was us we would have been penalised.