5 Year Plan

[Yossarian]

The fundamentals appear to be coming into place. But players change, coaches change, seasons change and we remain crap. Players under perform compared to their time at previous clubs. I can only think some sort of curse or our facilities aren't good enough. Hopefully the COE is the final piece of the puzzle.

I certainly think the recruitment and recruitment strategies have improved of late.

 

[tigerballs]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

I don't know if you can blame the management of the club though. They punted on Cleary which is understandable and Cleary is the wrong person to lead a club like ours. If you already have the talent I reckon Cleary could be a good buy.

We can't turn this around quickly.

I look at the 76'ers in the NBA. They've built up a good squad but Ben Simmons is an overpaid dud and they will have to adjust. You got to make the best decisions you can at the time and adjust. There is no way every decision will pay off.

You hope that over time though if we continually look to improve we can become a better team and hopefully stay a better team for a number of years.

Take the Tampa Bay Bucaneers as an example. Struggling for years, fundamentally sound at a base level but weak in key positions. In one off season sign a winning quarterback ( halfback, Hastings ), a great tight end ( lock, TPJ ) a sensational running back ( centre, Gildart ) and a top flight WR ( wing, Maumolo) . Next step Superbowl ( premiership ) See how close we are?

 

[Demps]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

I don't know if you can blame the management of the club though. They punted on Cleary which is understandable and Cleary is the wrong person to lead a club like ours. If you already have the talent I reckon Cleary could be a good buy.

We can't turn this around quickly.

I look at the 76'ers in the NBA. They've built up a good squad but Ben Simmons is an overpaid dud and they will have to adjust. You got to make the best decisions you can at the time and adjust. There is no way every decision will pay off.

You hope that over time though if we continually look to improve we can become a better team and hopefully stay a better team for a number of years.

Take the Tampa Bay Bucaneers as an example. Struggling for years, fundamentally sound at a base level but weak in key positions. In one off season sign a winning quarterback ( halfback, Hastings ), a great tight end ( lock, TPJ ) a sensational running back ( centre, Gildart ) and a top flight WR ( wing, Maumolo) . Next step Superbowl ( premiership ) See how close we are?

No.

 

[tigerballs]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

I don't know if you can blame the management of the club though. They punted on Cleary which is understandable and Cleary is the wrong person to lead a club like ours. If you already have the talent I reckon Cleary could be a good buy.

We can't turn this around quickly.

I look at the 76'ers in the NBA. They've built up a good squad but Ben Simmons is an overpaid dud and they will have to adjust. You got to make the best decisions you can at the time and adjust. There is no way every decision will pay off.

You hope that over time though if we continually look to improve we can become a better team and hopefully stay a better team for a number of years.

Take the Tampa Bay Bucaneers as an example. Struggling for years, fundamentally sound at a base level but weak in key positions. In one off season sign a winning quarterback ( halfback, Hastings ), a great tight end ( lock, TPJ ) a sensational running back ( centre, Gildart ) and a top flight WR ( wing, Maumolo) . Next step Superbowl ( premiership ) See how close we are?

No.

Me either...

 

[gallagher]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on

Actually we went away from our plan of developing players when the big 4 stuff played out and became a club that tried to buy established players. In the past 18 months we have gone back to trying to strengthen our pathways and once again be a club that develops our players.

Chopping and changing.

 

[cochise]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

I don't know if you can blame the management of the club though. They punted on Cleary which is understandable and Cleary is the wrong person to lead a club like ours. If you already have the talent I reckon Cleary could be a good buy.

We can't turn this around quickly.

I look at the 76'ers in the NBA. They've built up a good squad but Ben Simmons is an overpaid dud and they will have to adjust. You got to make the best decisions you can at the time and adjust. There is no way every decision will pay off.

You hope that over time though if we continually look to improve we can become a better team and hopefully stay a better team for a number of years.

Take the Tampa Bay Bucaneers as an example. Struggling for years, fundamentally sound at a base level but weak in key positions. In one off season sign a winning quarterback ( halfback, Hastings ), a great tight end ( lock, TPJ ) a sensational running back ( centre, Gildart ) and a top flight WR ( wing, Maumolo) . Next step Superbowl ( premiership ) See how close we are?

Did you just compare Hastings to the greatest NFL player of all time?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Another 5 yr plan ...I really do not know how you all can swallow all this rubbish ..there is an inherent issue WITHIN this club ..Coaches have come and gone as with players but the mediocrity remains regardless of the personnel changes at football level , what is the real issue then ..maybe there should be a plan to look at this level of the organisation !
Maybe a plan for One Home ground might be nice instead of 6 home grounds might this mind set be the inherent problem .

This is the biggest concern: The issues lay deeper than the coach.

We have had four coaches and numerous assistant staff in the ten seasons since Sheens departed, all different ideas on the game and various approaches to the playing group, none of which have managed to cut through to the team.

Sacking Madge changes nothing. We will just get someone else in whom the players don't respond to.

We are not seen as a destination for potential high profile recruits for whatever reason, even with a coach who has won a premiership in the last decade and also taken the top gong in England.

It's probably a multitude of things, between lack of advanced training facilities, a history of public spats with players (legitimate or not, it's not a good look either way,) and years of underperformance we are just not attractive to lure top line talent.

They would appear to be addressing training facility issues, can't do anything about historical happenings and past underperformance. I have no idea what they can do, but I'm sure the Board and Pascoe won't sack themselves (if they are indeed part of the problem). So, if the problems you have highlighted are valid, What do you see as the solutions?

I don't know where to start. Like I said, I think it is a multifaceted problem and I'm not a potential star NRL recruit so my opinion is worthless in the great scheme of things.

My point is more so that I believe it to be bigger than just coaching, or any other single other part of the football department.

 

[cochise]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on

Actually we went away from our plan of developing players when the big 4 stuff played out and became a club that tried to buy established players. In the past 18 months we have gone back to trying to strengthen our pathways and once again be a club that develops our players.

Chopping and changing.

We shouldn't have moved away from development in the 1st place, it was reactionary and looking for the quick fix.

 

[GCfan]

I believe all the right moves are being made in the background with recent appointments announced and the COE construction well underway. Junior talent coming through is strong and hopefully there should be 3-5 players here that can make the step to FG in the next 12--24 months. It's the here and now which is obviously causing the most frustration. We've seen glimpses of really good things from many players in the current squad - but getting week to week consistency out of them has proven impossible so far.

I'm at a loss as to how this changes - strength and fitness are not the issue and injury-wise we've been one of the least affected teams this year. Sticking to a gameplan and coming out of the blocks hard is something that comes down to attitude and execution. We've seen a real reluctance from our squad to use their shoulders in defence and our line speed in general is very poor - the night we gave Souths a scare was the best defensive linespeed we've had all year and that should be our blueprint moving forward.

Again, mentally is where I think the team is lacking - they don't believe in themselves and don't really believe they can mix it with the top sides - it's reflected in their attitude when they take the field and lose the ruck in the first 5 minutes. They should be screaming at the opposition and trying to hurt them, not back peddle and throw arms out.

Perfectly said. As a fan I want the results now. But in reality our solution is probably as you state above which will take time. Would like to think the attitude fix could be immediate but in reality will probably only happen once the kids underneath start applying pressure for spots sadly.

 

[BAGNF05]

tigers won't win a comp with any of our current players still in the squad. The stench of losing has tainted their clothes, skin and aura.

No players to be resigned, replace the board, change the jersey, reinvent the emblem and relocate the HQ...

I'm kidding we can still make the 8!

The aura is an issue. It’s just the vibe.

 

[GCfan]

tigers won't win a comp with any of our current players still in the squad. The stench of losing has tainted their clothes, skin and aura.

No players to be resigned, replace the board, change the jersey, reinvent the emblem and relocate the HQ...

I'm kidding we can still make the 8!

The aura is an issue. It’s just the vibe.

Good on you Denis Denuto!

 

[BAGNF05]

I still can't believe we can't come 8th out of a 16 team comp? Like how hard is it to miss a top 8 for 10 years.

My god we need help and a new identity.

LOL we certainly fail at mediocrity, which we’re actually reknowned for. Unless you ask Madge, that’s not us.

 

[gallagher]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on

Actually we went away from our plan of developing players when the big 4 stuff played out and became a club that tried to buy established players. In the past 18 months we have gone back to trying to strengthen our pathways and once again be a club that develops our players.

Chopping and changing.

We shouldn't have moved away from development in the 1st place, it was reactionary and looking for the quick fix.

I gotta say I have a lot more faith in development with Sheens here. Let's hope retention is given a chance next time.

 

[tigerballs]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

I don't know if you can blame the management of the club though. They punted on Cleary which is understandable and Cleary is the wrong person to lead a club like ours. If you already have the talent I reckon Cleary could be a good buy.

We can't turn this around quickly.

I look at the 76'ers in the NBA. They've built up a good squad but Ben Simmons is an overpaid dud and they will have to adjust. You got to make the best decisions you can at the time and adjust. There is no way every decision will pay off.

You hope that over time though if we continually look to improve we can become a better team and hopefully stay a better team for a number of years.

Take the Tampa Bay Bucaneers as an example. Struggling for years, fundamentally sound at a base level but weak in key positions. In one off season sign a winning quarterback ( halfback, Hastings ), a great tight end ( lock, TPJ ) a sensational running back ( centre, Gildart ) and a top flight WR ( wing, Maumolo) . Next step Superbowl ( premiership ) See how close we are?

Did you just compare Hastings to the greatest NFL player of all time?

Not directly....I didn't mention any names....
What about Gildart and Fournette? Maumolo and Brown? Pretty close you reckon?

 

[cochise]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on

Actually we went away from our plan of developing players when the big 4 stuff played out and became a club that tried to buy established players. In the past 18 months we have gone back to trying to strengthen our pathways and once again be a club that develops our players.

Chopping and changing.

We shouldn't have moved away from development in the 1st place, it was reactionary and looking for the quick fix.

I gotta say I have a lot more faith in development with Sheens here. Let's hope retention is given a chance next time.

I think we have attracted very good young talent but I was worried about if we would turn them into quality 1st graders. I think that is the perfect role for Sheens.

 

[tigerballs]

I believe all the right moves are being made in the background with recent appointments announced and the COE construction well underway. Junior talent coming through is strong and hopefully there should be 3-5 players here that can make the step to FG in the next 12--24 months. It's the here and now which is obviously causing the most frustration. We've seen glimpses of really good things from many players in the current squad - but getting week to week consistency out of them has proven impossible so far.

I'm at a loss as to how this changes - strength and fitness are not the issue and injury-wise we've been one of the least affected teams this year. Sticking to a gameplan and coming out of the blocks hard is something that comes down to attitude and execution. We've seen a real reluctance from our squad to use their shoulders in defence and our line speed in general is very poor - the night we gave Souths a scare was the best defensive linespeed we've had all year and that should be our blueprint moving forward.

Again, mentally is where I think the team is lacking - they don't believe in themselves and don't really believe they can mix it with the top sides - it's reflected in their attitude when they take the field and lose the ruck in the first 5 minutes. They should be screaming at the opposition and trying to hurt them, not back peddle and throw arms out.

I think they usually start well and with good intent and if it's working they can go on with it but because we've been poor for so long, when things start to go bad it's like " here we go again" and the heads drop. When we get punished a few weeks straight against the top sides it just becomes routine. If we can string a few together against the weaker sides we might start rolling the other way.
Maybe...

 

[weststigers]

Strap in lads, its gonna be a long one...

We need a 5 year plan.
We need to get out of this rutt and become competitive.

We have brought on Sheens and Kimmorley...
Great additions, in my opinion.

What else can be done?

The talking heads are really pushing us to bring Finucane to the club.
Easier said than done...

What do the fans think can be done?

@cochise @isaaktigers @willow @Tiger5150 @hobbo1 @TheDaBoss @TrueTiger @weststigers

Firstly, glad you're talking to me again!

Now, to answer your question, I think we are addressing the things that need to be addressed and progress can only go so fast...

Take a look at last year and our roster at the end of 2020 compared to 15 games in for 2021:

In the off season, we offloaded McQueen, J Reynolds and some other duds in exchange for Joffa and Tamou + recruited Stefano the year before.

**This year, some notable achievements:**

1. Laurie signs for this year
2. Hastings signs for 2022
3. Gildart signs for 2022 (doubts, but he is a GB international)
4. Maumalo signs for this year
5. Pangai rumours are strong
6. Sheens & Kimmorley sign on

Madge and Hartigan are working hard behind the scenes to add quality to our roster - it's a tough job, but they are buying good players at fair prices. We are definitely missing 2-3 stars in our team though, but they'll get there. I said it in another post, but the players we have, are perfect to put around 2 or 3 marquee players. Just need to convince them to sign.

Massive effort to free up cap space on JR's contract. Big tick.

Packers money is sitting in reserves, so any contributing first grader(s) we can pickup for his coin is a bonus. We just need to wait until the end of the year to cash it in.

Mbye is still an issue, but there's big bucks there for a marquee player when his contract is done.

BJ will most likely be gone or on a reduced contract.

How fast can we go? I think we're moving as fast as possible.

Facilities, junior development and shrewd recruitment will pay off. I see us being half way there...

**The only things I would do are:**
1. Pick a home ground and stick with it. None of this 4 or 5 home grounds each year. How we thought that was a good idea is beyond me.
2. I'll be shouted down for this, but I would pick up **Mitchell Pearce** on a 2 year deal if the money was right. Gives us cover in the halves and he is a consistent performer - big upgrade on Mbye. Hastings as depth or at 14 to play a Peachey role.
3. Make a play for **Josh Morris** to play centre on a 2 year deal if the Roosters don't want him. Frankly, he's a big upgrade even at 34yrs old.
4. Put a big money offer in for **Brandon Smith** - Liddle can go.

 

[TigerWest]

I think the plan started when Hartigan got the job?

 

[innsaneink]

I remember us all excited
& talking up Mcqueen Packer Reynolds etc before they got here like we are talking up Hastings Gildart TPJ

It's an annual event

 

[nuggetron]

lets not forget panthers 5 year plan
started in 2012 and only started to see consistent results in 2020

rome wasn't built in a day