8 thoughts from last night's game..

[goldcoast_tiger]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen?

 

[happy_tiger]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

 

[hobbo]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

I wouldn't say back seat , more like we've missed the bus altogether !
This season is a written off already … And what for ??

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[happy_tiger]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

I wouldn't say back seat , more like we've missed the bus altogether !
This season is a written off already … And what for ??

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We were more than likely a bottom 4 side anyway Hobbo

Better to be set up for the future wouldn't you think ??

 

[hobbo]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

I wouldn't say back seat , more like we've missed the bus altogether !
This season is a written off already … And what for ??

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We were more than likely a bottom 4 side anyway Hobbo

Better to be set up for the future wouldn't you think ??

I had us finishing 10th -11th ….
But whatever you reckon ..
We have bigger issues than Defence IMO .

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[Yossarian]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

No I'm concerned about both our defence and
Our attack.
So your reason that you have seen from our games , is to not worry about our attack cause it's still there, and we're taking steps backwards and forwards , hardly an objective reason to have the confidence you have about Taylor . In other words it is just a feeling you have about His coaching, as there is nothing concrete that you have said that could be a pointer to us getting better. . I don't mean to belittle your answer by any means, it's just that I was genuinly interested in the reason that you support Taylor. And whether it was because of anything specific that you'd seen.
But it seems that there is no reason except a feeling, and that's fine , the questions answered,

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

By the way Col, seeing as you support JT so loudly , maybe you could answer the same question I asked Happy,?
Do you honestly believe we have improved on the field under Taylor. and what makes you so sure that he will be able to make us a better team . And what have you seen on the field that would give you that opinion. I'm not talking about " well we need to change" or other general platitudes , I'm talking about what have you seen

At the moment we are taking steps forwards in one sense and taking steps backwards in another

Everyone seems concerned about our attack , don't be , its still there its just taking a back seat for the defence

I wouldn't say back seat , more like we've missed the bus altogether !
This season is a written off already … And what for ??

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We were more than likely a bottom 4 side anyway Hobbo

Better to be set up for the future wouldn't you think ??

But what makes you so sure that we are being set up for anything except another disaster???
That's what I was asking, what have you seen that makes you think that???

 

[Tigerheart_returns]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost."

Uhm…isn't one of the tasks for a coach to teach his team how to close out games? Remember, this is the same coach who lives and dies by "defense"...

Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

To quote him, after round 11… "We get that chance in what we do over the next 13 games. These 11 games have been a big learning curve for us but what we with the next 13 are really important. People will know and will see in probably another six games where we are heading as a team. " - We are now in round 13...and people have seen and commented..

So not quite the long term view we think, is it?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

It would be nice if we could bank "if's'.
if both Brooks and Moses could only both have a big game together. We would probably play a lot better ,
If Anastas field could have only missed in 2011( I think it was) we may have ended up winning another GF. Both if's

maybe Taylor shouldn't bother turning up at training this year, if we are only going to worry about 2016/17
He's coaching now , whether we like it or not, and has to accept that he is responsible for whatever game plan that the team play to, or to get rid of any one who can't play to that plan, but that won't happen.

 

[Yossarian]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

It would be nice if we could bank "if's'.
if both Brooks and Moses could only both have a big game together. We would probably play a lot better ,
If Anastas field could have only missed in 2011( I think it was) we may have ended up winning another GF. Both if's

maybe Taylor shouldn't bother turning up at training this year, if we are only going to worry about 2016/17
He's coaching now , whether we like it or not, and has to accept that he is responsible for whatever game plan that the team play to, or to get rid of any one who can't play to that plan, but that won't happen.

Well you can't have a 2 year plan without year 1\. Anyway the point I was making was that we're not that far off winning games; yes I know that doesn't count but it's not like we're getting lapped or a long way off the pace. Compared to 2001-2003 this is a golden age…

 

[Tigermama]

Supporting rugby league teams are like marriages , you support them through thick and thin ,in sickness and health , til death do you part

You don't get divorced or ask for a trial separation at the first sign of trouble

Notwithstanding that this is definitely not the first sign of trouble (we are after all more than a few weeks into the competition), this is not about supporting the club - it is about not supporting the coach. I love my team, but I don't have to like their coach! And if we (the fans) were the only ones complaining, as important as it is to guarantee the longevity of the club, there are many more 'experts" out there who, strangely enough, seem to agree with the general view that there is an issue with the way the team is being coached. The reality of today is that as much as people talk about the long term view, unless you deliver at least _something_ now, you are not really in the race.
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Nicely put Tigerheart. Agree with you!

 

[cunno]

Can't think of 8 points after being at that game, another blur, one thing though, will we win eight games this year? quite depressing really.

 

[Tigermama]

I'd like to add
-Marty taupau needs to play 70mins or just play up front with 8 or 10 on his back….
-charrington needs to play, Farah has to play 80mins so he needs to move to play to 13 or in the halves when charrington is on.
-Our back rowers need to run at opp halves, front rower bash and barge hit ups for a mid field bomb is too predictable and sucking the life out of us.
-He might need to consider Tedesco defending on the wing or the front line as opp sides are taking him out of the game with great kicking games....
-On kicking games, we have the WORST...... For a former halfback as a coach i would of thought we would be great.... Only Robbie can kick 40-20's and put the ball in goal for repeat sets, why are we not getting any better at this as the weeks roll on.

Our halfs kicking game is terrible… Soooo disapointing. :frowning:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

It would be nice if we could bank "if's'.
if both Brooks and Moses could only both have a big game together. We would probably play a lot better ,
If Anastas field could have only missed in 2011( I think it was) we may have ended up winning another GF. Both if's

maybe Taylor shouldn't bother turning up at training this year, if we are only going to worry about 2016/17
He's coaching now , whether we like it or not, and has to accept that he is responsible for whatever game plan that the team play to, or to get rid of any one who can't play to that plan, but that won't happen.

Well you can't have a 2 year plan without year 1\. Anyway the point I was making was that we're not that far off winning games; yes I know that doesn't count but it's not like we're getting lapped or a long way off the pace. Compared to 2001-2003 this is a golden age…

Maybe if he Coached what he's got in year one , he might have a basis for the next two years, but the way he's going he's likely to have a team with all the football coached out of them by the end of the first year.
You don't have to kill your attack to get a better defence, and if you can't get a team to play your defence the way you want in the time he's had, then you either cannot get it across to the players, or they are too dumb to learn it.
Either way you have to change your approach, which he seems to be unable or too stubborn to do that.
Watch the games when origin finishes to the end of the season you might get to see plenty of games where we will get lapped.i hope not, but unfortunately what I hope doesn't mean a thing.
It may start sooner such as this weekend against Souths

 

[weststigers]

The WT website had a 2 for 1 ticket deal going. It made tickets $15 more or less, with booking fee. If there's a game where you wanted to complain about ticket prices,this was not it.

I'd say more than any of Taylor's tactics that it's just a youth thing. The Raiders invested in youth for years before Stuart came, and as he said last year, it doesn't work if you just have youth. That's why they've been throwing money at slightly more experienced guys. You need plenty of those heads around that youth that are used to the grind and won't switch off.

What I see at the moment are too many youngsters (explains our inconsistency) mixed with older players, that are, no other way to say it, mostly past it (Lawrence, Halatau, Richards, Galloway).

It's not the coach. Bellamy and Bennett could coach these blokes and the results wouldn't be that much more convincing.

True statement.

Apart from Tapau and Woods, the players are either still learning or past their very best.

We really need to recruit to fill the gaps until the young guys get up to speed.

 

[magpiecol]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

Some sanity at last!

Most of the dribble being touted on this forum is for instant gratification. Seems to be the modern way of life.

Plan for the future and you will have a better future.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well if Luke Brooks passes the ball when he makes the break at 20-19 we probably win and it's a different narrative this week. Not his fault but there have been a stack of games this year we've been in the game with 5-10 minutes to go and lost. Taylor for better or worse clearly has a more long-term view of things than a lot of us on this forum and he's going to be judged on what happens 2016-17 than 2015.

Some sanity at last!

Most of the dribble being touted on this forum is for instant gratification. Seems to be the modern way of life.

Plan for the future and you will have a better future.

We can't plan for the future Col, we're stuck with a Muppett coach, who's determined to prove he's right , no matter what damage he does to players, the club and to supporters.
Unless someone is hired to oversee the coaching at the club, you maybe one of the few that will continue to turn up for games,

: I'll ask you the same question that I've asked some others,
what have you seen on the field , that makes you so convinced that he is making this team better , and that he is going to improve the club rather than wreck it even more (I'm not talking about whether you like him or not.)
I'm talking about what you see on the field.
So far no ones come up with a reason