A crucial period for Madge...

@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

Still young. No Superstar, but he has largely carried out pack this season. Give us a pack (and bench) with another 2-3 like him and we would be a lot better. Put him in a pack with a leader like Klemmer, McGuire or another hard head and he will be great.

I also think he is another example of the coach coaching a gameplan and not the players. I think that he is playing too many minutes and would make a bigger impact if played in shorter spurts.
 
@Kazoo-Kid said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200052) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

He was good up until the Eels game. Since then, he's been complete garbage. Back to his old rubbish of butter fingers and getting monstered by opposition props.

He's good when our whole pack is dominating, when we aren't, he's not the type to turn it around, he goes missing when the going gets tough imo.
 
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200049) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200027) said:
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200016) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199990) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199977) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
There’s no coach turning this team around in less than 3 years. Madge doing the best with the crap he has been given. His recruitment has been smart **and the club as a whole is building,** unfortunately a tough draw and some poor performances will not make us look good on the ladder come the end of the year but as a whole I think the club is building the right way.

He’s going about things a whole lot better than our last couple coaches. He’s playing the long game which takes patience but in our current predicament it’s the best option. We can’t afford a new coach, extend Madge one more season and see how he goes.

Desperately need to keep cleaning out the rubbish from our cap, he’s trying his best and will continue to try. I’m happy he’s tough and willing to yell and drop players, a soft coach wouldn’t be able to change our culture I think

He’s not perfect and has made mistakes but he’s our best option

Seriously Josh. Can you please pinpoint and articulate exactly where and how we are building as a club because mate all I see are the same performances, the same words, the same excuses, the same situations roll out every week every year. There is no evidence that I see that we are building. We are doing stuff - yes. But we are not building. In fact it could be argued we are regressing.

We are investing in youth, cleaning up our salary cap, new training facilities coming, Madge’s recruitment has been good, training at a higher level than previous years, while there’s been hiccups we have showed more heart and resilience in some perfomances this year then we have the last 3 seasons.

Madge is playing the long game and it will take a long time, the steps he has taken are the best ones you could do. He’s been a lot smarter than previous coaches and has a genuine eye on the long term future of the club which can be seen by trying to realign with St Greg’s among other things.

Unfortunately we will probably end up 10th or 11th on the ladder. Hard draw and some poor performances have lead us there but there isn’t an instant fix to our problems

Jennings say hi ?
Also playing Doohey at the back when blind Freddy can see he ain’t a fullback

Madge extended Brooks who’s useless

Gave Lawrence another year who’s useless ..

Gives momirovski another 2 years who’s useless

Gives a total Gronk the captaincy who’s useless

The list goes on ...
Even Taylorball was more effective than this crap !

I can’t take you seriously if you think Taylor is a better option than Madge.

Jennings was a good signing at the time who didn’t work out, not every signing will, you expect the coach to be perfect? Doueihi may not be a permanent fullback but is our best option at the moment. When brooks was resigned he was back to back player of the year. Momirovski is a solid player. Can’t agree with re-signing Lawrence and the Mbye captaincy might not seem right to us but Madge has his reasons.

Look at the bigger picture mate. Madge is working towards slowly building us into a good club which is the only option, and I’m pretty sure the club will stick by him. Impossible to expect instant results

Non of the players we’ve mentioned will take us to the big dance ...
Madge is pissing into the wind and he knows it !
We have Brooks until 2023
Mbye until 2022
So what does he do with them ??

He can’t even get them to do the basics right ...
Tackle
Line speed
Kick chase

Two weeks ago we did all those things very well and had been for quite a few weeks. While we’ve been poor the last two weeks let’s not act like they’ve been like this all season.

You seem to have a very short memory a lot of the time. When things are bad you forget the good that was not too long ago, I hope you don’t view your whole life like that
 
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200057) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200048) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

Couple of our boys see him as a leader They’ve mentioned it in articles and whatnot. He’s been good for us this year. Has his lazy moments but is overall a pretty good prop in my eyes. If we sign better he will be great as an impact prop off the bench.

If he's our leader we have bigger issues than I thought.

He’s probably been our best prop this season. Barely had an average game.
 
@Honkylips said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200018) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200004) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199990) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199977) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
There’s no coach turning this team around in less than 3 years. Madge doing the best with the crap he has been given. His recruitment has been smart **and the club as a whole is building,** unfortunately a tough draw and some poor performances will not make us look good on the ladder come the end of the year but as a whole I think the club is building the right way.

He’s going about things a whole lot better than our last couple coaches. He’s playing the long game which takes patience but in our current predicament it’s the best option. We can’t afford a new coach, extend Madge one more season and see how he goes.

Desperately need to keep cleaning out the rubbish from our cap, he’s trying his best and will continue to try. I’m happy he’s tough and willing to yell and drop players, a soft coach wouldn’t be able to change our culture I think

He’s not perfect and has made mistakes but he’s our best option

Seriously Josh. Can you please pinpoint and articulate exactly where and how we are building as a club because mate all I see are the same performances, the same words, the same excuses, the same situations roll out every week every year. There is no evidence that I see that we are building. We are doing stuff - yes. But we are not building. In fact it could be argued we are regressing.

We are investing in youth, cleaning up our salary cap, new training facilities coming, Madge’s recruitment has been good, training at a higher level than previous years, while there’s been hiccups we have showed more heart and resilience in some perfomances this year then we have the last 3 seasons.

Madge is playing the long game and it will take a long time, the steps he has taken are the best ones you could do. He’s been a lot smarter than previous coaches and has a genuine eye on the long term future of the club which can be seen by trying to realign with St Greg’s among other things.

Unfortunately we will probably end up 10th or 11th on the ladder. Hard draw and some poor performances have lead us there but there isn’t an instant fix to our problems

That’s doing stuff. Where’s the evidence we are building? We are buying players yep? Was there any evidence tonight that the players we are buying are building our club?
I was hopeful we were building. Not seeing it at all in any aspect of our play.

Well whats your answer Tiger Steve? Sack Maguire for who? Green? Payton? Griffin? Do you really think one of these would make a difference with our overpaid plodders? You're kidding yourself. The facts are we have a below par squad thanks mainly to Cleary paying overs for has-beens. We will never attract a marquee signing anytime soon.

We have to look to the future of our juniors and pray a couple thrive at a similar time. I'm happy to keep Madge here and over see this and no-one else.

I didn’t mention anything about moving on the coach. I think Maguire is the coach we need.
I have stated many time’s that we have a huge problem in this club in that we lack attention to detail and we lose important moments- right across the club. Until we address these dead rooted problems we will not improve. We address them by stripping back and resetting our culture, purpose and values. Then living it every day in all we do. Madge knows it and is trying - but it’s deeper than the team.
 
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200072) said:
@Honkylips said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200018) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200004) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199990) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199977) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
There’s no coach turning this team around in less than 3 years. Madge doing the best with the crap he has been given. His recruitment has been smart **and the club as a whole is building,** unfortunately a tough draw and some poor performances will not make us look good on the ladder come the end of the year but as a whole I think the club is building the right way.

He’s going about things a whole lot better than our last couple coaches. He’s playing the long game which takes patience but in our current predicament it’s the best option. We can’t afford a new coach, extend Madge one more season and see how he goes.

Desperately need to keep cleaning out the rubbish from our cap, he’s trying his best and will continue to try. I’m happy he’s tough and willing to yell and drop players, a soft coach wouldn’t be able to change our culture I think

He’s not perfect and has made mistakes but he’s our best option

Seriously Josh. Can you please pinpoint and articulate exactly where and how we are building as a club because mate all I see are the same performances, the same words, the same excuses, the same situations roll out every week every year. There is no evidence that I see that we are building. We are doing stuff - yes. But we are not building. In fact it could be argued we are regressing.

We are investing in youth, cleaning up our salary cap, new training facilities coming, Madge’s recruitment has been good, training at a higher level than previous years, while there’s been hiccups we have showed more heart and resilience in some perfomances this year then we have the last 3 seasons.

Madge is playing the long game and it will take a long time, the steps he has taken are the best ones you could do. He’s been a lot smarter than previous coaches and has a genuine eye on the long term future of the club which can be seen by trying to realign with St Greg’s among other things.

Unfortunately we will probably end up 10th or 11th on the ladder. Hard draw and some poor performances have lead us there but there isn’t an instant fix to our problems

That’s doing stuff. Where’s the evidence we are building? We are buying players yep? Was there any evidence tonight that the players we are buying are building our club?
I was hopeful we were building. Not seeing it at all in any aspect of our play.

Well whats your answer Tiger Steve? Sack Maguire for who? Green? Payton? Griffin? Do you really think one of these would make a difference with our overpaid plodders? You're kidding yourself. The facts are we have a below par squad thanks mainly to Cleary paying overs for has-beens. We will never attract a marquee signing anytime soon.

We have to look to the future of our juniors and pray a couple thrive at a similar time. I'm happy to keep Madge here and over see this and no-one else.

I didn’t mention anything about moving on the coach. I think Maguire is the coach we need.
I have stated many time’s that we have a huge problem in this club in that we lack attention to detail and we lose important moments- right across the club. Until we address these dead rooted problems we will not improve. We address them by stripping back and resetting our culture, purpose and values. Then living it every day in all we do. Madge knows it and is trying - but it’s deeper than the team.

You are absolutely spot on there mate and I think that is exactly what Madge is trying to do. How you fix such a deep seeded culture issue is beyond me but he is trying that’s for sure. We have been a losing club for too long and it’s gonna take time to fix it
 
@Harvey said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200059) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

Still young. No Superstar, but he has largely carried out pack this season. Give us a pack (and bench) with another 2-3 like him and we would be a lot better. Put him in a pack with a leader like Klemmer, McGuire or another hard head and he will be great.

I also think he is another example of the coach coaching a gameplan and not the players. I think that he is playing too many minutes and would make a bigger impact if played in shorter spurts.

All sounds like excuses to me.

I've been hearing the same about Brooks since day 1.
If he had a better pack he'd be....
If this, if that

Fact of the matter is, Aloiai is an average player.
Cut his teeth in an average team and will only ever be average
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200067) said:
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200049) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200027) said:
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200016) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199990) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199977) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
There’s no coach turning this team around in less than 3 years. Madge doing the best with the crap he has been given. His recruitment has been smart **and the club as a whole is building,** unfortunately a tough draw and some poor performances will not make us look good on the ladder come the end of the year but as a whole I think the club is building the right way.

He’s going about things a whole lot better than our last couple coaches. He’s playing the long game which takes patience but in our current predicament it’s the best option. We can’t afford a new coach, extend Madge one more season and see how he goes.

Desperately need to keep cleaning out the rubbish from our cap, he’s trying his best and will continue to try. I’m happy he’s tough and willing to yell and drop players, a soft coach wouldn’t be able to change our culture I think

He’s not perfect and has made mistakes but he’s our best option

Seriously Josh. Can you please pinpoint and articulate exactly where and how we are building as a club because mate all I see are the same performances, the same words, the same excuses, the same situations roll out every week every year. There is no evidence that I see that we are building. We are doing stuff - yes. But we are not building. In fact it could be argued we are regressing.

We are investing in youth, cleaning up our salary cap, new training facilities coming, Madge’s recruitment has been good, training at a higher level than previous years, while there’s been hiccups we have showed more heart and resilience in some perfomances this year then we have the last 3 seasons.

Madge is playing the long game and it will take a long time, the steps he has taken are the best ones you could do. He’s been a lot smarter than previous coaches and has a genuine eye on the long term future of the club which can be seen by trying to realign with St Greg’s among other things.

Unfortunately we will probably end up 10th or 11th on the ladder. Hard draw and some poor performances have lead us there but there isn’t an instant fix to our problems

Jennings say hi ?
Also playing Doohey at the back when blind Freddy can see he ain’t a fullback

Madge extended Brooks who’s useless

Gave Lawrence another year who’s useless ..

Gives momirovski another 2 years who’s useless

Gives a total Gronk the captaincy who’s useless

The list goes on ...
Even Taylorball was more effective than this crap !

I can’t take you seriously if you think Taylor is a better option than Madge.

Jennings was a good signing at the time who didn’t work out, not every signing will, you expect the coach to be perfect? Doueihi may not be a permanent fullback but is our best option at the moment. When brooks was resigned he was back to back player of the year. Momirovski is a solid player. Can’t agree with re-signing Lawrence and the Mbye captaincy might not seem right to us but Madge has his reasons.

Look at the bigger picture mate. Madge is working towards slowly building us into a good club which is the only option, and I’m pretty sure the club will stick by him. Impossible to expect instant results

Non of the players we’ve mentioned will take us to the big dance ...
Madge is pissing into the wind and he knows it !
We have Brooks until 2023
Mbye until 2022
So what does he do with them ??

He can’t even get them to do the basics right ...
Tackle
Line speed
Kick chase

Two weeks ago we did all those things very well and had been for quite a few weeks. While we’ve been poor the last two weeks let’s not act like they’ve been like this all season.

You seem to have a very short memory a lot of the time. When things are bad you forget the good that was not too long ago, I hope you don’t view your whole life like that

Madge is a poor man manager and the majority of the run on side are his signings ...
So tell me what’s he going to do with Mbye and Brooks ?
 
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

He was one of our best out there today. He wasn't good last week but he has been our best prop all year. The problem is that we need more than just Aloiai playing for us. He is only good for 1/2 game.
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
"His recruitment has been smart and the club as a whole is building"
That's debatable. He's done well with Luciano Leilua.
Musgrave? Missed a year with off field problems, looked good early this season before injury put him out. Don't know yet.
The Grant/Momi swap was genius.
Maybe Blore and a couple of the kids he brought in will turn out great.
BJ Leilua, Jennings, Doueihi haven't been great, yet.
Defence has been improved for most games but the wheels came off in the last 2 rounds and I think we'll concede lots of points from here.
Not at all sure recruitment opportunities will be great after we're likely to finish well down the ladder. We'll have 10 players off contract, none of them great players anymore or never were, but we'll probablybe forced to extend contracts for half of them due to lack of better.
We'll probably pay too much for a couple of players who then won't live up to reputation .
Same old.
 
@Earl said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200090) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
He's good. We just need at least 4 better forwards who around him. Packer, Lawrence, Clark, Taylor, Eisenhuth, McQueen, even Mikaele. We just need better than that lot.
 
I think the observant supporter knows our squad is ordinary. I also agree that there is a culture of failure. During that time as fans, we have asked for a few things that i can recall
Guts - now whether people see it or not I have seen a team that has absolutely guts out performances in games that would have been embarrassing in the past. Have we done that every week, no with this week as an example, but you can see some steel especially defensively that has not existed in the past. And that is with honestly a low tier squad
Accountability- I distinctly remember the vast majority of this forum demanding players be dropped and held accountable for their play. MAdge is doing that. I saw a relevant post above that said how do players get back in and its spot on. Unfortunately, the only judgment can be made at training due the current situation.
Depth and youth- we have regularly had a poor lower grade set up with all our energy going to our top grade. Finally, we are ridding our selves of average journeymen and investing in youth. Yes its the long game but if we get a couple of gun backs and forwards over the next few years its a master stroke.

I see madge doing what he can to turn around the club. He probably needs to go through all the auxiliary staff as well. Just by what the people on the forum observe and talk about we can see its a monster task.
The simple truth is we actually need to all-in on madge IMO. Another coaching change could signal our death knell. And even if he isnt your first choice who is there that is actually better honestly. Your not getting a Bellamy, a Robinson.
 
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200086) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200067) said:
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200049) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200027) said:
@hobbo1 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200016) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199990) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199977) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1199890) said:
There’s no coach turning this team around in less than 3 years. Madge doing the best with the crap he has been given. His recruitment has been smart **and the club as a whole is building,** unfortunately a tough draw and some poor performances will not make us look good on the ladder come the end of the year but as a whole I think the club is building the right way.

He’s going about things a whole lot better than our last couple coaches. He’s playing the long game which takes patience but in our current predicament it’s the best option. We can’t afford a new coach, extend Madge one more season and see how he goes.

Desperately need to keep cleaning out the rubbish from our cap, he’s trying his best and will continue to try. I’m happy he’s tough and willing to yell and drop players, a soft coach wouldn’t be able to change our culture I think

He’s not perfect and has made mistakes but he’s our best option

Seriously Josh. Can you please pinpoint and articulate exactly where and how we are building as a club because mate all I see are the same performances, the same words, the same excuses, the same situations roll out every week every year. There is no evidence that I see that we are building. We are doing stuff - yes. But we are not building. In fact it could be argued we are regressing.

We are investing in youth, cleaning up our salary cap, new training facilities coming, Madge’s recruitment has been good, training at a higher level than previous years, while there’s been hiccups we have showed more heart and resilience in some perfomances this year then we have the last 3 seasons.

Madge is playing the long game and it will take a long time, the steps he has taken are the best ones you could do. He’s been a lot smarter than previous coaches and has a genuine eye on the long term future of the club which can be seen by trying to realign with St Greg’s among other things.

Unfortunately we will probably end up 10th or 11th on the ladder. Hard draw and some poor performances have lead us there but there isn’t an instant fix to our problems

Jennings say hi ?
Also playing Doohey at the back when blind Freddy can see he ain’t a fullback

Madge extended Brooks who’s useless

Gave Lawrence another year who’s useless ..

Gives momirovski another 2 years who’s useless

Gives a total Gronk the captaincy who’s useless

The list goes on ...
Even Taylorball was more effective than this crap !

I can’t take you seriously if you think Taylor is a better option than Madge.

Jennings was a good signing at the time who didn’t work out, not every signing will, you expect the coach to be perfect? Doueihi may not be a permanent fullback but is our best option at the moment. When brooks was resigned he was back to back player of the year. Momirovski is a solid player. Can’t agree with re-signing Lawrence and the Mbye captaincy might not seem right to us but Madge has his reasons.

Look at the bigger picture mate. Madge is working towards slowly building us into a good club which is the only option, and I’m pretty sure the club will stick by him. Impossible to expect instant results

Non of the players we’ve mentioned will take us to the big dance ...
Madge is pissing into the wind and he knows it !
We have Brooks until 2023
Mbye until 2022
So what does he do with them ??

He can’t even get them to do the basics right ...
Tackle
Line speed
Kick chase

Two weeks ago we did all those things very well and had been for quite a few weeks. While we’ve been poor the last two weeks let’s not act like they’ve been like this all season.

You seem to have a very short memory a lot of the time. When things are bad you forget the good that was not too long ago, I hope you don’t view your whole life like that

Madge is a poor man manager and the majority of the run on side are his signings ...
So tell me what’s he going to do with Mbye and Brooks ?

With Mbye? No idea. He’s on huge money and I doubt anyone takes his contract. I can guarantee Madge would much rather have that money to spend elsewhere. If we sign a better centre then Mbye can be a bench utility.

Madge will give brooks another chance. He is a fan of brooksy and while his form has been down this year he is a good half when at his best.

I don’t think Madge is a poor man manager it just depends on the player. All the players say he’s very honest with the players and expects a lot out of them. Not every player will appreciate the honesty and will take it as an insult but some players will take it and work on things they need to. Most players seem pretty happy with Madge
 
@rozelle_rudy said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200097) said:
He’s good. We just need at least 4 better forwards who around him. Packer, Lawrence, Clark, Taylor, Eisenhuth, McQueen, even Mikaele. We just need better than that lot.

He is good not great. We need a better pack.
 
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

He’s our best prop coming into his prime. Apart from Luciano who plays left edge who else is doing with him.
 
@hodgo said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200101) said:
I think the observant supporter knows our squad is ordinary. I also agree that there is a culture of failure. During that time as fans, we have asked for a few things that i can recall
Guts - now whether people see it or not I have seen a team that has absolutely guts out performances in games that would have been embarrassing in the past. Have we done that every week, no with this week as an example, but you can see some steel especially defensively that has not existed in the past. And that is with honestly a low tier squad
Accountability- I distinctly remember the vast majority of this forum demanding players be dropped and held accountable for their play. MAdge is doing that. I saw a relevant post above that said how do players get back in and its spot on. Unfortunately, the only judgment can be made at training due the current situation.
Depth and youth- we have regularly had a poor lower grade set up with all our energy going to our top grade. Finally, we are ridding our selves of average journeymen and investing in youth. Yes its the long game but if we get a couple of gun backs and forwards over the next few years its a master stroke.

I see madge doing what he can to turn around the club. He probably needs to go through all the auxiliary staff as well. Just by what the people on the forum observe and talk about we can see its a monster task.
The simple truth is we actually need to all-in on madge IMO. Another coaching change could signal our death knell. And even if he isnt your first choice who is there that is actually better honestly. Your not getting a Bellamy, a Robinson.

I think this is a great, honest post. Totally agree.
 
@hodgo said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200101) said:
I think the observant supporter knows our squad is ordinary. I also agree that there is a culture of failure. During that time as fans, we have asked for a few things that i can recall
Guts - now whether people see it or not I have seen a team that has absolutely guts out performances in games that would have been embarrassing in the past. Have we done that every week, no with this week as an example, but you can see some steel especially defensively that has not existed in the past. And that is with honestly a low tier squad
Accountability- I distinctly remember the vast majority of this forum demanding players be dropped and held accountable for their play. MAdge is doing that. I saw a relevant post above that said how do players get back in and its spot on. Unfortunately, the only judgment can be made at training due the current situation.
Depth and youth- we have regularly had a poor lower grade set up with all our energy going to our top grade. Finally, we are ridding our selves of average journeymen and investing in youth. Yes its the long game but if we get a couple of gun backs and forwards over the next few years its a master stroke.

I see madge doing what he can to turn around the club. He probably needs to go through all the auxiliary staff as well. Just by what the people on the forum observe and talk about we can see its a monster task.
The simple truth is we actually need to all-in on madge IMO. Another coaching change could signal our death knell. And even if he isnt your first choice who is there that is actually better honestly. Your not getting a Bellamy, a Robinson.

I agree.

1) No better coach is signing with us
2) No star players will join unless you kill the salary cap.
3) Junior development is the only way
4) It takes years.

The coach is not the issue. It’s the squad and the poor state of the club always means you pay overs. We got lucky with Douehi and BJ being subsidised but even then they are not stars.
 
@TYGA said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200105) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [A crucial period for Madge\.\.\.](/post/1200042) said:
There's one player that nobody seems to mention, he seems like a bit of a forum favourite and I've never really been sold on him and I think it's about time someone called him out and that someone may as well by me, so here goes...............

Aloiai

This guy has enough NRL experience now and has been at the club long enough to become a leader of our pack when we desperately need one but he just isn't and I don't think he'll ever be.
The opportunity for him to become one is there and has been there for a while now, but I just don't think he's got it in him.

I've reserved judgement on Josh and waited for him to become a regular starter which he has become but now I feel I've seen enough of him to know that he's not a top line footballer.

He's not our biggest problem but I can't see us doing much better if he's a part of our future starting pack, sorry

He’s our best prop coming into his prime. Apart from Luciano who plays left edge who else is doing with him.

Well that's our problem, he's our best prop and he's not a leader of our pack.

We need a leader of our pack and unfortunately he's just not it imo.
 
This is the only reason I made any comment about Aloiai during the whole Erin Molan saga, I honestly wish he was never included in it. It's a sensitive topic and he should never have been been baited on it in the first place.
He was playing some fantastic footy at the time and I feel it was undeserved of him to be brought into the conversation.

Hope to see him regain some form though because he's been massive for us this year.
 
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