A rough Salary Postion run down

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hodgo

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Ok I’m going to throw some hypothetical salary cap stuff out there and get people's feedback.

So as a club we have 9.9 mil to spend on players.
That equates to $333000 Per Player.
The minimum wage is $115000
Squad make up
8 middle forwards.
3 hookers
6 second rowers
4 halves
9 backs
Makes 30 How does that look to people?
So let’s say you have 5 min wage people. That’s $575000
Cap is now 9325000 for 25 or 373000 per player.
So realistically you are asking at least another 5 players to be around 200k so you can buy some marquees.
That leaves us at $8325000 or $416250 per player.
Now, these are all hypothetical. But I think people need to realise that 500k is actually a really good chunk of cap space and on the forum, every second person wants to give the average bloke that coin.
If we use something like this model it actually shows you how hamstrung we are atm.
Packer $700k
J-rey $750k
Mbye $950k
Just those 3 put us at 2.4mil Making our salary cap 7.5 mil
7.5mil – let’s say 5 min contract players puts us at 6.975 mil
$6975000 or $310000 per player.


Now if we go further and use figures that are reported we also have
AD $600k
Joey $600k
Lucy $450k
Nofo $450
Brooks $550k
Totallying 2.65 mil

So if we include that in the mbye, jrey, packer stakes that leaves us with
$6975000-$2650000
$4325000 total or $255000 per player
So with just those players our squad needs are (if we were using all of them and I know we have a lot of these covered this is just for arguments sake).
7 middle forwards
3 hookers
5 back rowers
2 halves
5 backs.
At least 5 of these have to min wage but looking at our figures probably more.
Now if you add all the other players we have using @curly_tigers estimates
You have
Billy Walters $200k
Stefano 270K (800k over 3 years)
Tamou 350K
Liddle 300k
Garner 300k
Aloai 300k
Twal 200k
Momo 250k
That totals $2170000
So now our totals are $4325000 – 2170000= 2155000
2.155mil or $240000 per player for the remaining 9.

So an update on the above formula
3 middle forwards
1 hooker
4 back rowers
2 halves
4 backs
5 positions filled with min wage.

I guess my purpose in this is trying to understand what management is trying to pull players in with.
With the rough estimates above we need 9 players on 240k per player.
If we give Josh 500k like some have stated it gets scarier, 1.655 mil between 8 which means 205000 per player. If we give another recruit 500k it works out at 145k per player for the remaining 8.
Basically that means we have 13 players on min contracts. That is a hec of a lot.
Anyway would be interesting to get people’s views on this I know some of the numbers will be wrong one way or another but it’s a rough guide.
For me I’d hate to be in management atm because realistically we are bargain bin shopping
 
That is exactly why there is no excuse for not locking up a player like Sam McIntyre who would have been on a low contract.
If it's true that his contract sat on a table or in a drawer for 2 weeks while we stuffed around and let the Gold Coast get him is very disappointing.
 
@hank37w said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264594) said:
That is exactly why there is no excuse for not locking up a player like Sam McIntyre who would have been on a low contract.
If it's true that his contract sat on a table or in a drawer for 2 weeks while we stuffed around and let the Gold Coast get him is very disappointing.

Guys like big Sam are gold, because they will get a job done and not cost you the earth. They allow you to spend more on other contracts. Every good club has a few Sam’s on their books. Okay he is no world beater, but a world beater will cost you heaps more and let’s face it, we can not attract world beaters anywY
 
So he is the topic of the day so lets dive into sams stats.

12 games
442 mins or avg 37 mins a game
573 run meters or 48m a game
ran 78 times or 6.5 times a game
avg 7.4m per run
made 255 tackles or 21 a game
missed 21 or 1.75 a game

he had 0 offloads 1 linebreak and 9 tackle busts

So looking at these stats the thing that stands out is he is a good defender.
offensively he is imo below average. Stats are very similar on a per min basis to Elijah Taylor.
Now you could argue he is worth 250k but do you take him over a twal on 200k or a blore or a lucy or even a garner?
The sad truth imo is that he is excess to our needs and the type of forward we are moving away from, right or wrong.
I honestly think he is a time and place guy for us. Next year he would of got a little more and we would have kept him this year that extra 100k over a min rookie contract is probably going to go to someone who could possibly have more impact.
Sucks to lose him for sure but i dont think its the end of the world.

And with my titans cap on he is perfect up there and worth a little extra. They have plenty of big explosive forwards and need some work horses and if they offered him a decent cut above us i can see why even though i think our club shouldnt match it.
 
@hank37w said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264594) said:
That is exactly why there is no excuse for not locking up a player like Sam McIntyre who would have been on a low contract.
If it's true that his contract sat on a table or in a drawer for 2 weeks while we stuffed around and let the Gold Coast get him is very disappointing.

I don't know the background, but if you truly believe that any club (including our sometimes inept management) would leave a contract of a VALUABLE player in a cupboard for a few weeks, that's crazy. There are enough professional people there to not let those things slip. I don't care who you are.

I just don't buy it.

I expect that he wasn't a priority and their attitude is that we might keep you, at a low rate, if nothing else pops up for you.

Everyone has an opinion on the guy I'm sure. Me personally, I didn't see too much and I'm very neutral on him leaving. Wish him well, but I don't see we have lost too much.

The OP has outlined some good stuff there, good job.
 
@hodgo said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264663) said:
he had 0 offloads

Against the Dogs, Holland dropped a bomb and McIntyre picked it up and put Tommy over in the corner. Does that count as an offload.
 
@hodgo said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264589) said:
Ok I’m going to throw some hypothetical salary cap stuff out there and get people's feedback.

Good analysis. A few points to add in:

1) Don't ever take reported media figures on wages seriously. These are usually put out by players managers and are very inflated.

2) You don't need to pay everyone the same amount every year. You can juggle things around.

3) Good planning looks a few years in advance too. You have to look at star juniors coming through the system and players you want to keep in calculations. E.g signing someone like JAC to a long-term contract next year could mean losing your next star and someone good that you already have.
 
@Swordy said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264666) said:
I don’t know the background, but if you truly believe that any club (including our sometimes inept management) would leave a contract of a VALUABLE player in a cupboard for a few weeks, that’s crazy. There are enough professional people there to not let those things slip. I don’t care who you are.
I just don’t buy it.

I've come to the same conclusion. While some are claiming it reeks of incompetence, I don't think the club regarded him as a priority signing. Looks like the same applies to Josh Aloiai.

The club don't appear to regard Sam and Josh as highly as many of the fans do.
 
@Kazoo-Kid said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264675) said:
Brooks is on way more than $550K just FYI. His old deal for 2018-19 was that value.

Do we know this for sure. What about AD ? What about Mbye on 950k. I can't believe we've signed Mbye for that amount.

The money matters. The problem is getting accurate figures. I mean 500k is a decent wage in the NRL. There can't be many 1 million contracts out there. If you look at a team like Manly who have some top tier quality talent and they struggle because they can't put a great team around them. Manly have though the turbo boys and DCE. We have no players at that level.
 
@fibrodreaming said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264678) said:
@Swordy said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264666) said:
I don’t know the background, but if you truly believe that any club (including our sometimes inept management) would leave a contract of a VALUABLE player in a cupboard for a few weeks, that’s crazy. There are enough professional people there to not let those things slip. I don’t care who you are.
I just don’t buy it.

I've come to the same conclusion. While some are claiming it reeks of incompetence, I don't think the club regarded him as a priority signing. Looks like the same applies to Josh Aloiai.

The club don't appear to regard Sam and Josh as highly as many of the fans do.

And let me tell you, some of the posts Ive read and some of the people us fans said we should target and for how much....Im bloody glad the fans arent doing the recruitment!
 
@fibrodreaming said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264678) said:
@Swordy said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264666) said:
I don’t know the background, but if you truly believe that any club (including our sometimes inept management) would leave a contract of a VALUABLE player in a cupboard for a few weeks, that’s crazy. There are enough professional people there to not let those things slip. I don’t care who you are.
I just don’t buy it.

I've come to the same conclusion. While some are claiming it reeks of incompetence, I don't think the club regarded him as a priority signing. Looks like the same applies to Josh Aloiai.

The club don't appear to regard Sam and Josh as highly as many of the fans do.


I don't think that many people on here would claim that either of those guys are world beaters, but more like the kind of guys that you need in a squad at a reasonable price.

At least Sam's tackles looked like they hurt the opposition players which made me think that he may have been in the coaches plans for a while at least and was certainly better than some the arm grabbing dished up by some others.

If it is in fact true that neither of them were in the club's plans and they were happy for them to go, I'll reserve judgement until I see who the club has as their replacements and it better be someone that provides better output per dollar spent or this place will really go into melt down.

Regardless of whatever happens, if there is any truth in the stories going around about how these contract negotiations were handled by the club, then it would probably explain how this club is viewed by some as not a particularly desirable destination unless you're coming here on an inflated retirement plan.
 
Hi Team

I know all the figures are possibles we probably don't actually know any of them accurately I just mentioned the ones I thought were in the ball park.
 
@fibrodreaming said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264673) said:
@hodgo said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264663) said:
he had 0 offloads

Against the Dogs, Holland dropped a bomb and McIntyre picked it up and put Tommy over in the corner. Does that count as an offload.

probably not recorded in the stats though
 
@fibrodreaming said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264673) said:
@hodgo said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264663) said:
he had 0 offloads

Against the Dogs, Holland dropped a bomb and McIntyre picked it up and put Tommy over in the corner. Does that count as an offload.

An offload is when you are being tackled yet you manage to 'offload' the ball, what Sam did in that play to Tommy was a try assist
 
@MarySt said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1265188) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264673) said:
@hodgo said in [A rough Salary Postion run down](/post/1264663) said:
he had 0 offloads

Against the Dogs, Holland dropped a bomb and McIntyre picked it up and put Tommy over in the corner. Does that count as an offload.

An offload is when you are being tackled yet you manage to 'offload' the ball, what Sam did in that play to Tommy was a try assist

Thanks for the clarification. That must be right, otherwise every time a player passed the ball he would be credited with an offload.
 
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