Adam Doueihi #227

[westies]

Does anyone have access to the link?


Shane Richardson has strongly defended Wayne Bennett’s treatment of Adam Doueihi declaring...

“I have been with coaches over a long period of time where they have just continued to tell bullshit to players.

- Via Crawley (DT)

So did Crawley (a supposed journalist) inquire as to whom exactly Richardson was referring to?

Seibold? Maguire? Penriff coaches?

It’s pretty damning statement to make about former colleagues and given Richardson’s profile in the game a statement worth investigating, no?

 

[twentyforty]

Addo-Carr attended Matraville Sports High School as a teenager and played his junior rugby league for the La Perouse Panthers and Moore Park. In 2012, Addo-Carr played with the South Sydney Rabbitohs SG Ball team before being released due to an off-field incident.[7] He was then signed by the Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

There is a post this morning from the third who seems well informed suggesting South's need forwards not more backs so it is unlikely they have JAC as a target. We have the $ to offer the Storm to offset their loss which may work better than a player swap

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Souths has be in a cap pit. They cannot absorb AD with the backline they have put together.

I hope we stay strong and force these spanners to cough up some of the contract since they tried to cheap out in the beginning.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I would hope we have this guy as a priority over JAC. While JAC would be a more exciting signing, we need a fullback. That trumps a winger imo.

 

[HabboTiger]

Also this reduces the Latrell value. If the real cost was his salary and a salary dump well that’s a bit easier to stomach

 

[jirskyr]

I just hope we’re not wasting time on JAC, like we did with Mitchell.

Don't reckon we wasted time. Met with him, made an offer, the offer expired, never made further contact with Latrell after Christmas. Obviously didn't stop us talking to other fullbacks or centres.

 

[happy_tiger]

Brooks will still need help for 2020 and Joey will be a wasted signing if we can't upgrade on Thompson or the hooker option

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

And that is why, usually we don't get these guys with talent.

Oh well! lets go for a 30 yo for 700k. Sheesh!!!!!

Where have the Tigers offered a 30 year old $700k under Madge?

We've been really good in the player market under Madge and Hartigan in my opinion. Yes, things have moved slowly, but our signings are well thought out and bring value for money.

We've still got fairly big dollars in the bank compared to other clubs and when June 30 rolls around, Madge knows we are the only club in the market with money to spend. I for one hope he holds onto the cash, because when the time comes, we'll be in the box seat to sign them by default.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Brooks will still need help for 2020 and Joey will be a wasted signing if we can't upgrade on Thompson or the hooker option

It has to be one or the other IMO. I think the club is reluctant to spend more money on hookers given Liddle is injured and Simpkin has likely been earmarked. We have some sizable coin wasted on players who aren't first choice or having issues nailing a spot down (Mbye could be displaced from centres with Momo and BJ likely starting.)

I think you can get away with one player in your spine being average. For mine we look like we're going for a big forward pack so we'd want a hooker who can get early ball or create opportunity for the pigs. We know what we're going to get with Thompson. He's reliable enough and if the pack dominate it might allow him to improve his game.

 

[weststigers]

It is understood Doueihi is on $550,000 at Souths this year but the Tigers are apparently baulking at paying him $375,000 to make the deal happen.

This is the $$$ IN 2020, Its way more the player would get from souths and the Tigers beyond.

For too long we have been the panic buyers of the NRL and in particular under the last to failed coaches.

I dont mind if one gets away that probably shouldnt if we end up changing the reputation of the club.

It's ridiculous money...we are paying Brooks $550k aren't we? Doueihi's value is well below that and I'm glad we're not knee jerking this one.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

 

[happy_tiger]

Brooks will still need help for 2020 and Joey will be a wasted signing if we can't upgrade on Thompson or the hooker option

It has to be one or the other IMO. I think the club is reluctant to spend more money on hookers given Liddle is injured and Simpkin has likely been earmarked. We have some sizable coin wasted on players who aren't first choice or having issues nailing a spot down (Mbye could be displaced from centres with Momo and BJ likely starting.)

I think you can get away with one player in your spine being average. For mine we look like we're going for a big forward pack so we'd want a hooker who can get early ball or create opportunity for the pigs. We know what we're going to get with Thompson. He's reliable enough and if the pack dominate it might allow him to improve his game.

Biggest issue is if our hooker doesn't have some sort of running game it just adds more problems for Brooks ....then with Thommo at the back he can't create with his passing game or running game or speed

Team a can basically sit back and react off Brooks ....Benji does offer something but lack of speed means they can sit off him as well

 

[jadtiger]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

Couldn't agree more.

People are just getting desperate. Doueihi for the RIGHT price is a good signing at best, at the figure Souths want it's no good.

Lets bring JAC home!!

The Sharks?

I am aware where JAC came from, cheers. But **if** you buy into the narrative of his love for the Tigers, home is right here.

JAC was origionaly a souffs player

 

[2041]

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs

So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

 

[balmain boy]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

 

[happy_tiger]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have