Adam Doueihi #227

@The_Patriot said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107889) said:
Is anybody at the club looking at him as this years 5/8. On the money he wants it would seem a pretty good use of the salary cap.

Benji god love him wont be here forever. Why not play Doueihi at 5/8 and use Benji at hooker? Players like this dont grow on trees.

He is a good smart player and can play multiple positions. Perhaps this is held against him? Anyway on the Souths' forum, a poster said he didn't train with the side today so he could be off to another club?
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107969) said:
@The_Patriot said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107889) said:
Is anybody at the club looking at him as this years 5/8. On the money he wants it would seem a pretty good use of the salary cap.

Benji god love him wont be here forever. Why not play Doueihi at 5/8 and use Benji at hooker? Players like this dont grow on trees.

He is a good smart player and can play multiple positions. Perhaps this is held against him? Anyway on the Souths' forum, a poster said he didn't train with the side today so he could be off to another club?


That club looks like being the chooks. They would have no trouble finding the extra $25k.
 
@851 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107896) said:
@willow said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107893) said:
@simonthetiger said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107779) said:
Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

And I could live with that, as, if Simpkin is good enough to keep Liddle out of the side, then WT will have nothing short of a great nine.
 
@jirskyr said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107903) said:
@tigerballs said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107789) said:
ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I’m afraid.

Gosh so lazy, it would take you 2 minutes to do the proper research - 190 cm and 101 kg. ET is far bigger than you might think, that means he's almost 6'3".

![49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1580199084270-49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png)
Your research makes Luke Brooks about 6'1".
 
@tigerballs said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107989) said:
@jirskyr said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107903) said:
@tigerballs said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107789) said:
ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I’m afraid.

Gosh so lazy, it would take you 2 minutes to do the proper research - 190 cm and 101 kg. ET is far bigger than you might think, that means he's almost 6'3".

![49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1580199084270-49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png)
Your research makes Luke Brooks about 6'1".

I've met ET, he ain't 6'3.
 
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107803) said:
@Nelson said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107801) said:
@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107785) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107775) said:
Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

Tackle efficiency doesn't tell the whole story. ET sets the line speed and initiates a lot of contact, which is going to result in more missed tackles. He is also a dominant wrestler whereas Eisenhuth is not. In my view ET is clearly the superior defender, although he has either lost his timing or the referees have lost patience with him in terms of holding down - he's getting penalised too much.

Agree but we have no one else that has been capable of holding down and slowing down the ptb. Think the refs are too hard on him as opposed to others. Especially if you time the holding down. ET is hard done by.

He slows them down okay, to the point he gets penalised half a dozen times a game...

Eisenhuth for me as the middle defensive forward.
 
@willow said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107994) said:
@tigerballs said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107989) said:
@jirskyr said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107903) said:
@tigerballs said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107789) said:
ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I’m afraid.

Gosh so lazy, it would take you 2 minutes to do the proper research - 190 cm and 101 kg. ET is far bigger than you might think, that means he's almost 6'3".

![49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1580199084270-49c83dd5-328b-4783-937a-a03553b11f36-image.png)
Your research makes Luke Brooks about 6'1".

I've met ET, he ain't 6'3.

Not a chance he’s 6’3. I’m close to 6’2 with sneakers on and he’s at least 3 inches shorter wearing boots. He’d be 5’11 at best.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108006) said:
I’ve always had a soft spot for ET. Hope he’s in the 17.


Same
The year he rocked up halfway through he was awesome
Defence machine.at the time he was a good ball player too
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108008) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108006) said:
I’ve always had a soft spot for ET. Hope he’s in the 17.


Same
The year he rocked up halfway through he was awesome
Defence machine.at the time he was a good ball player too

I put him in the same category as CT....not the most skillful but has one of the biggest hearts.....
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108008) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108006) said:
I’ve always had a soft spot for ET. Hope he’s in the 17.


Same
The year he rocked up halfway through he was awesome
Defence machine.at the time he was a good ball player too


He was one of our best towards the end of the year. Was dropped early in the year, but put his head down and his backside up and worked his way back.
 
ET is great.
No issues with him.
I'm a big fan.

Prefer him at 13 over Eiso.
 
@twentyforty said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107966) said:
@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107844) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107824) said:
@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107796) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107780) said:
@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107765) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107759) said:
Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.


We've survived since 2011 without making the eight - what's different about this year that makes it so vital? The Titans finished 8th in 2016 and immediately got knocked out of the finals by Brisbane. Did that suddenly make them a more appealing option for top players looking to build successful careers? Do you think their fans think that season makes what's come since worthwhile, or that it makes the Titans a more successful club than, well, anyone really?

All I want as a Tigers fan is to win a premiership. That's a long way off right not, but the path to achieving it is building a great roster from the ground up. It's certainly not wasting cap flexibility in support of a one-off push to scrape into the eight with a bunch of ok players on dumb contracts.

You and I both know the Tigers aren't going to have a roster in 2020 that has a plausible chance of winning the comp - that's why you're already fixated on scraping into the eight. It would be different if you were saying "we're so close to winning the comp, I don't care if this signing hurts us down the track because I believe it could get us over the line in 2020". But you're not - you're saying the value of being in the finals (once, and not for long) is so great that it's worth sacrificing decent cap management to achieve. I just can't buy that


I’m sorry 2041, you may be one ahead of me but I disagree. We definitely need to make the 8. Preferably top 4 but I’ll be happy with a top 6 spot. You can’t win a GF from 9th spot, we’ve tried that. I think this team is good enough.

If you honestly think we have the roster to compete for a top four spot I can't argue with your logic. I think you're wrong - and basically all the bookies and pundits do, too - but of course I hope you're right. And if you are right, sure - one extra signing now could be critical.

On the other hand, I don't think 7th-8th represents real progress towards a premiership and I don't want to risk any part of what I believe is a promising future just to achieve it. You say you can't wim from 9th and of course that's true. But history shows that no-one ever wins from 8th, either.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108006) said:
I’ve always had a soft spot for ET. Hope he’s in the 17.

Same. He was awesome in 2016 when Jason Taylor was our coach. Him and Mitch Moses had a great combination. He played a Glenn Stewart type role for us then. Not sure what happened as his ball skills seemed to gradually disappear.
 
@The_Patriot said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107889) said:
Is anybody at the club looking at him as this years 5/8. On the money he wants it would seem a pretty good use of the salary cap.

Benji god love him wont be here forever. Why not play Doueihi at 5/8 and use Benji at hooker? Players like this dont grow on trees.

That's all I'd sign him for, I think he looks the goods in the halves. He had a 28 year old part timer outperform him last year at fullback though.
 
@851 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107896) said:
@willow said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107893) said:
@simonthetiger said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107779) said:
Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

I Don't - Simpkin wishes he was that good.
 
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@tiga4eva said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107658) said:
Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

What is wrong with you two?

According to you there are two of us that think AD is worth the asking price or that we are his relatives.

We are not allowed to express our thoughts and opinions - only you and Hobbo are allowed that luxury. Maybe we are only allowed to have a say if it is the same as yours.

Well it isn't - and on an open Forum we are allowed our say - hopefully without being ridiculed in the future.

Sorry Captain Sensitive :joy:

I would have expected that response and I got it. Thanks for the apology.

No one ridiculed you...until you played the victim card. I disagree with you and you disagree with me...Have your say as much as you want, but being an open forum, I can disagree with you as well.

My issue is that you haven't justified why Doueihi is worth the price tag. You haven't made your argument.

In MY opinion he is worth his price tag. is that ok with you.

From the games I have seen him play - I think as a spine player (either FB or 5/8) he is worth that amount. I don't really need to justify anything to you at all.

As for you both - saying we are relatives because we think he is good enough - that is just childish and totally beneath the both of you.

Use your arguments to say he is not worth the money - you did. I know I can disagree with you - you can do the same with me... all good but don't make childish little remarks it undermines the credibility that you built up on here.
 
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108052) said:
@851 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107896) said:
@willow said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107893) said:
@simonthetiger said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107779) said:
Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

I Don't - Simpkin wishes he was that good.
we shall be extremely lucky if we have more than one player of Liddle's quality!
 
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1108052) said:
@851 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107896) said:
@willow said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107893) said:
@simonthetiger said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107779) said:
Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

I Don't - Simpkin wishes he was that good.

Jesus
 
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