All good at the club says Chairman

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

No matter the circumstances, we need the 3 on board.
We're all in this journey together, through the good and the bad.

 

[ElleryHanley]

For Lee to come out and say, Pascoe, Madge and Hartigan are in no danger, no matter what the end of year review comes up with, is mind blowing.

It probably sheds some light on why we are a basket case. After a year from hell, we do nothing. Personally I would keep Hastigan, but the other two I would show the door tomorrow

It really is mind blowing....what on earth is the point of a review if you have already predetermined no one will be held accountable...

What if you find someone needs to be...what if the review shows someone was not up to their job?

There is literally no point in doing it if you have already decided nothing will change.

 

[Demps]

2022 Team

1 Dane Laurie
2 Nick Cotric
3 Curtis Scott
4 Zac Lomax
5 Ken Maumalo
6 Adam Douihei
7 Jackson Hastings
8 Alex Twal
9 Jacob Liddle
10 Stefano Utoikamanu
11 Luciano Leilua
12 Shawn Blore
13 Alex Seyfarth
14 Jake Simpkin
15 Thomas Mikaele
16 Joe Ofahenguaie
17 Kelma Tuilagi

18 Tommy Talau

 

[TrueTiger]

I think it's great there's no mass sackings. All we've ever had is a coaching merry-go-round and this is the result. Time we hang tough and stay the course.

Staying the course is a noble gesture but it has to be the right people in the right positions otherwise success will never eventuate. We don't have the right people in the right positions.

Exactly mate,we need solid defensive centres,a stronger winger than Noffo,a leader in the playmakers role that can control the team,a ball playing lock,a decent defensive second rower and some one to shore up the middle for 80 mins ....
and thats just the team that Madge has to sort...

but I think you were referring to managment...Hartigan,Pascoe and our sponsor chairman that injects finances.....

geez theres a hell of a lot to sort before next season....

 

[GCfan]

I don't agree with Lee about us not competing for a premiership since 2005; we were very close in 2010.

Tell me about it.
I was ten minutes away from seeing a Dragons Vs Tigers GF and instead had to watch the rorters. At least they lost!!!!

 

[avocadoontoast]

but I think you were referring to managment

That's right, I wasn't talking the team although many of those should never have been signed or re-signed.

 

[jirskyr]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

 

[TrueTiger]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

Funny how people spin crap to suit their own narrative on what should happen,without internal knowledge of what goes on within the clubs management...

 

[jirskyr]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

Funny how people spin crap to suit their own narrative on what should happen,without internal knowledge of what goes on within the clubs management...

I'm not that fussed what people do with it, it's just not what he said.

I think the reality is, if anyone at Tigers comes out and makes public statements, some % of people are going to react negatively because the club isn't doing well. So if someone was to come out and say "Madge is a dead man walking" then some folks would say that's bad management to air dirty laundry. Lee says "Madge is safe" and people ask how he can give guarantees given the season we've had. If he said something middle-ground like "we'll consider Madge's position after the off-season review" then another group will say "that's as good as gone".

So for any comment made by anyone at a struggling club, a % of fans will get triggered by it and complain. Similarly if Lee was to never say anything at all, some fans would ask why he's so uninvolved. There's no win. I choose not to get bothered by it, because I don't believe the public statements have anything to do with what is actually occurring behind closed doors at Tigers.

 

[Needaname]

Not sure why the chairman is speaking on which players will stay or be let go.

I think it’s fair. His only commenting on the fact they have a contract. You don’t want him giving clubs a leg up by indicating that they will be available if they enquire. If any of our players or player managers wanted to negotiate their way out of the contract that should be at the cost of the other club or in the case of Woods needing a new home out of the Dogs a sacrifice to the player themselves.

He could just say "The football department manage the roster and I won't comment on player movements". He really digs himself into a hole with comments like this.

The club has again shot themselves in the foot by making Lee chairman. He's the major sponsor so it's now very difficult to oust him as chairman without risking losing Brydens as a sponsor.

No he doesn’t. Could you imagine the media if the chairman refused to answer anything.

 

[TigerWest]

I’ve got no problems with the chairman saying all is good with the management team? No doubt they are following a plan to get the club successful, barring the NRL side they are achieving that.

But hopefully, the review, will show them that they need to tweak there recruitment policy a notch, to get (I believe) those 2 or 3 players to improve the team? That means splurging a bit to offer deals that the targets can’t refuse?

Madge has already said they have a plan for targeted players, so hopefully it will happen for next season.

 

[balmain boy]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

That is actually what he said.

Pascoe, Hartigan - safe.
Brooks will be here in 2022.

The only one he perhaps left a little wriggle room is with Madge whom we gave the standard he's got a contract till 2023 and we expect him to fulfil his obligations.

He didn't comment on the board because no one has the balls to, and he essentially is the board. We can't protest at Wests Ashfield to get the board out, we'll need to organise a different sort of protest but not just a change petition. Not sure what works in this current climate.

 

[Needaname]

I’ve got no problems with the chairman saying all is good with the management team? No doubt they are following a plan to get the club successful, barring the NRL side they are achieving that.

But hopefully, the review, will show them that they need to tweak there recruitment policy a notch, to get (I believe) those 2 or 3 players to improve the team? That means splurging a bit to offer deals that the targets can’t refuse?

Madge has already said they have a plan for targeted players, so hopefully it will happen for next season.

I reckon one of them would be to not jump at other clubs Shadows each time a rumoured high paid player becomes available.
By not entertaining the expected narrative, it puts more pressure on the clubs and they’ll end up being forced to release other players that would attract more market interest.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

I think it's great there's no mass sackings. All we've ever had is a coaching merry-go-round and this is the result. Time we hang tough and stay the course.

Staying the course is a noble gesture but it has to be the right people in the right positions otherwise success will never eventuate. We don't have the right people in the right positions.

I get your point, but I truly don't believe 3 years is enough in our case. At this point Im not sure how long is enough, but the state of the joint when Madge and co. arrived has proven that it needs more than any of us would like to come to terms with.

We can give it until the end of time, but I don't think we'll see any improvement. There needs to be massive changes in leadership both in coaching and administration.

You could very well be right. But until now, that hasn't been tested. We've only ever had a high turn over of coaches and it hasn't worked. At some point, you've gotta hang in there.

If things were going to improve we would have seen it by now, instead we've gone backwards imo.

I think we've gone forward in some areas, backwards in others. Forwards in our youngsters definitely. And in recruitment, I think AD, Laurie and Stef have been pretty good. Blore has a lot of potential, same with J Simpkin, T Simpkins & TT. **We've at last got a decent goal kicker.** It's defensively that we have issues and of course that has to be fixed. I don't know if Madge is the guy to sort that, but someone has to. Look through the list of players, he's brought through a bucket load of young guys’d and there's more to come no doubt. Young fellas aren't going to take you to the finals in a hurry. Not saying I have all the answers because Im not that clever.

I think the goal kicking point isn’t highlighted enough.

Everyone was banging on about it last year and “under Madge” they have improved.

 

[TigerWest]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

That is actually what he said.

Pascoe, Hartigan - safe.
Brooks will be here in 2022.

The only one he perhaps left a little wriggle room is with Madge whom we gave the standard he's got a contract till 2023 and we expect him to fulfil his obligations.

He didn't comment on the board because no one has the balls to, and he essentially is the board. We can't protest at Wests Ashfield to get the board out, we'll need to organise a different sort of protest but not just a change petition. Not sure what works in this current climate.

From zero tackle:

While coach Michael Maguire, star halfback Luke Brooks and chief executive Justin Pascoe are likely to face scrutiny, Hagipantelis has guarenteed that the trio will be at the club next season, as per the Daily Telegraph. This comes in spite of whatever the post-season review finds.

“We believe that we have a core group of people at executive level, at coaching level and in the roster that will take this club forward," he told the publication.

“I think we have to be very strategic with our planning."

 

[weststigerman]

Not sure why the chairman is speaking on which players will stay or be let go.

I think it’s fair. His only commenting on the fact they have a contract. You don’t want him giving clubs a leg up by indicating that they will be available if they enquire. If any of our players or player managers wanted to negotiate their way out of the contract that should be at the cost of the other club or in the case of Woods needing a new home out of the Dogs a sacrifice to the player themselves.

He could just say "The football department manage the roster and I won't comment on player movements". He really digs himself into a hole with comments like this.

The club has again shot themselves in the foot by making Lee chairman. He's the major sponsor so it's now very difficult to oust him as chairman without risking losing Brydens as a sponsor.

No he doesn’t. Could you imagine the media if the chairman refused to answer anything.

It happens all the time. You just don’t hear about it because the media are not going to write a story if they have no quotes.

Haven’t heard much from Melbourne’s board members.

 

[Saturnalia]

He’s basically said that regardless of how poorly key staff members perform they are guaranteed job security. That should never be the case, in any organisation. There has to be a line.

That isn't what he said though. That's your spin on it.

That is actually what he said.

Pascoe, Hartigan - safe.
Brooks will be here in 2022.

The only one he perhaps left a little wriggle room is with Madge whom we gave the standard he's got a contract till 2023 and we expect him to fulfil his obligations.

He didn't comment on the board because no one has the balls to, and he essentially is the board. We can't protest at Wests Ashfield to get the board out, we'll need to organise a different sort of protest but not just a change petition. Not sure what works in this current climate.

From zero tackle:

While coach Michael Maguire, star halfback Luke Brooks and chief executive Justin Pascoe are likely to face scrutiny, Hagipantelis has guarenteed that the trio will be at the club next season, as per the Daily Telegraph. This comes in spite of whatever the post-season review finds.

“We believe that we have a core group of people at executive level, at coaching level and in the roster that will take this club forward," he told the publication.

“I think we have to be very strategic with our planning."

I read that as "even if the review says they should be flicked, we aren't in a position to remove them without severely hampering the club in the immediate/short term future".

 

[mike]

Not sure why the chairman is speaking on which players will stay or be let go.

I think it’s fair. His only commenting on the fact they have a contract. You don’t want him giving clubs a leg up by indicating that they will be available if they enquire. If any of our players or player managers wanted to negotiate their way out of the contract that should be at the cost of the other club or in the case of Woods needing a new home out of the Dogs a sacrifice to the player themselves.

He could just say "The football department manage the roster and I won't comment on player movements". He really digs himself into a hole with comments like this.

The club has again shot themselves in the foot by making Lee chairman. He's the major sponsor so it's now very difficult to oust him as chairman without risking losing Brydens as a sponsor.

No he doesn’t. Could you imagine the media if the chairman refused to answer anything.

Can you imagine this forum 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[Swordy]

Some will say there is so much wrong, blow the place up and start again. I think we are 2 years into that process already.

I don't know of anywhere, any sporting franchise, any organisation etc that was so broken and has completely rebuilt and leads the pack within a single season.

I heard a comment on the radio this morning that said we have had the same management for the last 5-6 years and they are to blame. Really?

Just reading an old 2015 article. Jason Taylor, Rod Reddy, David Kidwell, CEO Grant Meyer/ Phil Moss. I mean, seriously, what could possibly go wrong with that lot? How much damage do you think was being done to WT back then? And we have had another coach come and gone since along with various other staff.

An organisation being rudderless and run into the ground that hard and for that long will not turn around in 5 minutes.

The results currently are not good enough and not what we want or expect, but the foundations are at least being done correctly for the first time since the merger!

I agree with you although do you think the current management group are the ones to lead us out of this?

Yes. Only time will tell if the board has the Kahunas to stick it out. But I think we are finally going in the right direction after 21 years.

Many will say we had it right in 2005, what went wrong? Face it people, I love the WT and the 2005, but a bigger upset and fluke you've never seen. No one, not even us suspected it. The stars aligned and that's it. I'm not at all complaining, but it's reality.

We are truly being rebuilt into a proper entity. Will this current coach, CEO etc take us to the promised land? I don't know, but they are making the right foundation building moves for now

 

[earl]

I think the reality is, if anyone at Tigers comes out and makes public statements, some % of people are going to react negatively because the club isn’t doing well

The problem is we suck. Lot's of people think they know the answer but this is professional sport and it's impossible to give some easy solution.

We don't have a team that is talented enough to win consistently. Somehow we have to make that happen but it's not easy.