Aloiai

[tig_prmz]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

No but it falls under the player management category.

 

[old_man_tiger]

We’ll come good when all the soft cocks are weeded out

Might only be the forum left... No players, coaches, managers, board or NRL

We can play imaginary games each week and go through undefeated ?

Don’t tell my mrs the club folded as she'll give me stuff to do ?

My mrs doesn't know I live with her during the season so it might be obvious when I'm suddenly there in winter.

On topic

I'm going to slow down on the commentary on management until we see what we get out of this

Cleary- they actually did ok and got a good bit of dough but that won't be enough here.

We need:
- a good player in return, or
- Aloiai in FG performing his role, or
- Aloiai running water for Flegg (or in reggies)

If Lee wants to be upfront that's his choice but I believe we have been quite public on Matterson, LM and JAC and not gotten anything other than a red face. I love the Tigers more than I hate them (I think) so one more chance for old times sake.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

No but it falls under the player management category.

Well, we need to reject his release request, and help him to "manage" his obligations under his contract.

Greed is a player management issue... Good grief what a cop out...

 

[dazza65]

Surely got to be more to it that wanting more money. Rare for a player to come out and say “I’m never wearing the jersey again” whilst contracted. And a player that was somewhat of a leader and by all reports seemed happy. A player surely cannot be that upset by our negations that he would publicly say that 🤔

that's simple - he thinks by throwing his toys out of the cot, in public, we will roll over and give him an early release from a valid and fair contract rather than discuss privately and patiently like professionals do. Don't read anything Ito it other than $$$$$$$$$$

 

[avocadoontoast]

We need:

a good player in return, or
Aloiai in FG performing his role, or
Aloiai running water for Flegg (or in reggies)

Yep, and realistically speaking I can't imagine Manly releasing anyone. We should absolutely enforce his contract and make him play 2021. We're not going to find anyone better before the season starts and he's contracted.

 

[dazza65]

If CCTW is correct doesn’t sound like there’s much the club could do unfortunately 🙁

Push for a lengthy investigation into Manly's involvement regarding this. Maintain the hard stance of no release unless we benefit from it.

Stick the boot in and make it entertaining:grin:

If it is correct that Manly's 2022/2023 offer was contingent on him breaking a legally binding contract to go in 2021, THAT'S another issue that Lee should be investigating along with the NRL - it is illegal (or at least highly unethical) to induce the breaking of a legally binding contract in that manner.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Lee on SEN now saying he will be pushing the NRL to ensure that players requesting releases on compassionate grounds cannot profit from the release and that their remuneration should remain the same for the remaining period on the defaulted contract.

I agree with him. Should generate support from all clubs.

If this constant defaulting on contracts stops it should arrest the rapid rate of increasing player salaries.

But how many times does this happen to the powerful clubs - Cleary, Matterson, Aloiai see a pattern

Pearce, Kyle Flanagan, AFB, JAC, Corey H-N, Joseph Suaalii, Val Holmes, Des Hasler, Gareth Widdop, Jason Saab (in the works), Waqa Blake, RCG, Wade Egan. Matt Burton is probably going to ask for a release soon.

So many players agitate for a release, I don't even have to give it much thought.

Then the obvious part of your comment - how often do powerful clubs have players request a release? Quite often actually, but being powerful clubs they tend to be lower-ranked players and the club has replacements more easily lined up. That's just an obvious part of business.

All true. I should have also included the departures at WTs of the three I mentioned portray a negative image of the Club. This is most frustrating.

 

[the_third]

What compassionate grounds is he seeking a release on? I’ve got a family and only get $350k a year?

 

[old_man_tiger]

We need:

a good player in return, or
Aloiai in FG performing his role, or
Aloiai running water for Flegg (or in reggies)

Yep, and realistically speaking I can't imagine Manly releasing anyone. We should absolutely enforce his contract and make him play 2021. We're not going to find anyone better before the season starts and he's contracted.

I would take Schuster and consider us the winner in that trade, but I don't know their squad that well....because, well who watches Manly?

 

[tiger05premier]

We had to even ask Storm to even talk to JAC about entertaining 2021 and Manly just throw it at him without asking us

Pushed Josh to crap on us to get the money on offer

Needs to be looked at by NRL if true

 

[tig_prmz]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

No but it falls under the player management category.

Well, we need to reject his release request, and help him to "manage" his obligations under his contract.

Greed is a player management issue... Good grief what a cop out...

So is it always that we seem to find all the greedy players or they turn greedy once they're here?

There aren't many players that leave us on good terms either.

 

[twentyforty]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHrPCdfHyw6/

Was that a WT's site?

Linked to nrl.com, Josh’s Instagram.

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHrPCdfHyw6/

Was that a WT's site?

Linked to nrl.com, Josh’s Instagram.

@tiga4eva has been conspicuously absent of late.

 

[tiger05premier]

Lee on SEN now saying he will be pushing the NRL to ensure that players requesting releases on compassionate grounds cannot profit from the release and that their remuneration should remain the same for the remaining period on the defaulted contract.

I agree with him. Should generate support from all clubs.

If this constant defaulting on contracts stops it should arrest the rapid rate of increasing player salaries.

Stuff him anyway

Isn't he leaving for money?

Not compassionate grounds

Time to stand tall and make him honour hos contract

If he plays up just put him I reserves and fine him 10k every time

Than he will be chasing more than Manlys offer to make up lost money

And anyway how can a club offer a contract based on them scamming an early release?

If true Manly should have next years offer to Josh deducted from their cap for next year and be heavily fined

 

[tiger05premier]

If it's true he said he will never wear our jersey again, when he is contracted to us, that is a dog act.

Yeah, if he refuses to play the club should make him sit out next year with no football. Don't release him. His contract was low enough that it won't be a huge impact.

Actions like this need to have impacting consequences

If he refuses to play, the club should be able to stand him down without pay.

That's exactly what we should be doing

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

No but it falls under the player management category.

Well, we need to reject his release request, and help him to "manage" his obligations under his contract.

Greed is a player management issue... Good grief what a cop out...

So is it always that we seem to find all the greedy players or they turn greedy once they're here?

There aren't many players that leave us on good terms either.

Mate he was the go to guy all year spruiking the club and defending the coach. Now it's he'll never wear the strip again?

Why do you think they leave on bad terms? You think it might have something to do with the fact they want out of a contract they willfully signed and the club dare hold them to it?

 

[hank37w]

What a basket case WT are becoming. Need to find a solution fast or we are just continue to be a stepping stone and development club for stronger clubs. Another offseason another player wants to leave. Ground Hog day.

You must be new, we’ve been a basket case for 8 years

Thought this was our 21st year.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Actually there are quite few possible swaps with Manly that I could think of that would work for me .... for either or both Garner and Aloiai.

 

[Nelson]

If CCTW is correct doesn’t sound like there’s much the club could do unfortunately 🙁

Push for a lengthy investigation into Manly's involvement regarding this. Maintain the hard stance of no release unless we benefit from it.

Stick the boot in and make it entertaining:grin:


If it is correct that Manly's 2022/2023 offer was contingent on him breaking a legally binding contract to go in 2021, THAT'S another issue that Lee should be investigating along with the NRL - it is illegal (or at least highly unethical) to induce the breaking of a legally binding contract in that manner.

Inducing another party to breach a contract is a tort, but you would have to prove that Manly intended to induce Aloiai to breach his contract with the Tigers by doing an act or failing to do an act that amounts to a breach of contract. Just asking for a release would not amount to a breach of contract.

 

[tig_prmz]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

No but it falls under the player management category.

Well, we need to reject his release request, and help him to "manage" his obligations under his contract.

Greed is a player management issue... Good grief what a cop out...

So is it always that we seem to find all the greedy players or they turn greedy once they're here?

There aren't many players that leave us on good terms either.

Mate he was the go to guy all year spruiking the club and defending the coach. Now it's he'll never wear the strip again?

Why do you think they leave on bad terms? You think it might have something to do with the fact they want out of a contract they willfully signed and the club dare hold them to it?

You may be right, I'm not disputing that. But the fact is it's not a one off. We need to accept that and change something. We are missing something. Moses, Teddy, Woods, Cleary, Matterson, Benji, Farah- going back last 5 years- the common denominator is players aren't happy here! They crap on us on the way out.