Aloiai

[Guest]

Well if nothing else it really highlights the stupidity and lack of commonsense of some people today. If Josh has any sense at all he'll tread carefully. The club and the NRL have performance standards, both on and off the field. If he's not careful he'll end up copping a financial whack for his antics as he's bringing the club into disrepute.

 

[Holden]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.

Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.

 

[Holden]

Chammas reporting Tigers offered him an upgrade to $450k a season. He rejected it wanting over $600k. After a month of negotiations they gave him a one day deadline after hearing he’d gone to manly and he chucked a fit

It’s the right decision from the club in the end. Madge and co are certainly making sure they don’t overpay for ANYONE, same thing happened with JAC. It will cost us some players but it’s needed as we’ve been in salary cap strife for too long

If true this shows how hard it is for the club to manage the cap. I reckon 500k is a really good salary for a middle forward. It's a top middle forward in the comp. Manly offering 600k is nuts. I understand they do it because they figure they have to pay overs to get a guy out of a club.

The problem is we need to retain these guys on what we've apparently offered.

It sounds like we've been trying to manage the situation but it's solely a $$$ game.

Nah it stated we rejected his request of 600K when we offered 450, so he signed with Manly for 500.

 

[diedpretty]

I hope we are not back tracking - DT have reported Lee H as saying this :

“Anecdotally we are told he has come to an agreement with Manly for 2022 and 2023. I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021.

I hope we haven't gone off half loaded.


They also say :

Manly boss Stephen Humphreys denied any deal had been struck.

“We rate Josh very highly both as a player and a leader,” Humphreys said. “He’s contracted to the Wests Tigers for 2021. We are very interested in attracting him to the Sea Eagles from the 2022 season. We’ve had some discussions with him and his manager about that. We remain hopeful.”

So does this mean their(Manly) attempting to cover their tracks? Or it's due to Tyran Smith instigating everything?
Either way don't want it portrayed as cultural problems within the club rather than what it really is.

The other problem is our Chairmans quotes in the DT are not as forceful as what is being said on here. He says "“Anecdotally we are told he has come to an agreement with Manly for 2022 and 2023" - what does that mean. Also " I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021" . Who informed him - and is it or isn't contingent - he uses the word may.

 

[coivtny]

He’s not going to guarantee manly a top 8 slot.
It doesn’t help us if he kicks stones. Hit manly up for 100k for our cap and let him go.

I think $100k is 'unders' by a long way.

 

[earl]

Chammas reporting Tigers offered him an upgrade to $450k a season. He rejected it wanting over $600k. After a month of negotiations they gave him a one day deadline after hearing he’d gone to manly and he chucked a fit

It’s the right decision from the club in the end. Madge and co are certainly making sure they don’t overpay for ANYONE, same thing happened with JAC. It will cost us some players but it’s needed as we’ve been in salary cap strife for too long

If true this shows how hard it is for the club to manage the cap. I reckon 500k is a really good salary for a middle forward. It's a top middle forward in the comp. Manly offering 600k is nuts. I understand they do it because they figure they have to pay overs to get a guy out of a club.

The problem is we need to retain these guys on what we've apparently offered.

It sounds like we've been trying to manage the situation but it's solely a $$$ game.

Nah it stated we rejected his request of 600K when we offered 450, so he signed with Manly for 500.

This is crazy. I tell you something it's amazing how guys who talk well, present well and are religious can have really poor emotional maturity.

 

[Holden]

Chammas reporting Tigers offered him an upgrade to $450k a season. He rejected it wanting over $600k. After a month of negotiations they gave him a one day deadline after hearing he’d gone to manly and he chucked a fit

It’s the right decision from the club in the end. Madge and co are certainly making sure they don’t overpay for ANYONE, same thing happened with JAC. It will cost us some players but it’s needed as we’ve been in salary cap strife for too long

If true this shows how hard it is for the club to manage the cap. I reckon 500k is a really good salary for a middle forward. It's a top middle forward in the comp. Manly offering 600k is nuts. I understand they do it because they figure they have to pay overs to get a guy out of a club.

The problem is we need to retain these guys on what we've apparently offered.

It sounds like we've been trying to manage the situation but it's solely a $$$ game.

Nah it stated we rejected his request of 600K when we offered 450, so he signed with Manly for 500.

This is crazy. I tell you something it's amazing how guys who talk well, present well and are religious can have really poor emotional maturity.

LOL *Israel Folau has entered the chat room

 

[diedpretty]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.

Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.

 

[Telltails]

JA has asked for an immediate release - I think he knows where he is headed

 

[Holden]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.


Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.

Exactly he runs a law firm, he wants to get in front of the narrative and make sure we get up on top without using terminology that may be used against us in the future. I thought it was ingenious, he:
A. Sent a clear message on how the contract negotiations occurred.
B. Made it clear without any compensation he was going to at the club regardless next year without a release.
C Sent a clear msg to the NRL he doesn’t want this to keep occurring.

 

[Holden]

JA has asked for an immediate release - I think he knows where he is headed

This too, what’s he going to do get an immediate release and not work for a year?

 

[Tigercrb]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

Why this entire saga has been a blessing in disguise, I for one am very happy with how this has turned out, from Lee directing the narative before the Media got a chance to, to us refusing on a release all the way to Aloiai and his low iq meme

@tigertye His probably drunk trying to type on that photo

Wow, just saw his meme. What a moron.

Hahhahaha,


Just in case we have people tuning in late sneaky repost

With his hands he'd better have a catcher.

Hopefully not a 2 stroke. Might struggle having to follow 2 instructions.
IE run hard AND hold the ball

 

[softlaw]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.


Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.


Exactly he runs a law firm, he wants to get in front of the narrative and make sure we get up on top without using terminology that may be used against us in the future. I thought it was ingenious, he:
A. Sent a clear message on how the contract negotiations occurred.
B. Made it clear without any compensation he was going to at the club regardless next year without a release.
C Sent a clear msg to the NRL he doesn’t want this to keep occurring.

He's also wedged Manly pretty strongly. If they now withdraw their offer for '22/23 then obviously it was contingent on '21 - and if they don't they're stuck without a replacement for Fonua-Blake for '21.
I would say manly have told aloiai's manager that they 'really really' want him for '21 - but noone is ever going to put anything around that in writing.
So the way Lee H has worded it is actually quite clever.

 

[dazza65]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.


Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.


Exactly he runs a law firm, he wants to get in front of the narrative and make sure we get up on top without using terminology that may be used against us in the future. I thought it was ingenious, he:
A. Sent a clear message on how the contract negotiations occurred.
B. Made it clear without any compensation he was going to at the club regardless next year without a release.
C Sent a clear msg to the NRL he doesn’t want this to keep occurring.


He's also wedged Manly pretty strongly. If they now withdraw their offer for '22/23 then obviously it was contingent on '21 - and if they don't they're stuck without a replacement for Fonua-Blake for '21.
I would say manly have told aloiai's manager that they 'really really' want him for '21 - but noone is ever going to put anything around that in writing.
So the way Lee H has worded it is actually quite clever.

Absolutely I was about to write the same re Manly...

 

[Holden]

Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.


Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.


Exactly he runs a law firm, he wants to get in front of the narrative and make sure we get up on top without using terminology that may be used against us in the future. I thought it was ingenious, he:
A. Sent a clear message on how the contract negotiations occurred.
B. Made it clear without any compensation he was going to at the club regardless next year without a release.
C Sent a clear msg to the NRL he doesn’t want this to keep occurring.


He's also wedged Manly pretty strongly. If they now withdraw their offer for '22/23 then obviously it was contingent on '21 - and if they don't they're stuck without a replacement for Fonua-Blake for '21.
I would say manly have told aloiai's manager that they 'really really' want him for '21 - but noone is ever going to put anything around that in writing.
So the way Lee H has worded it is actually quite clever.

EXACTLY!! Thank you, his done it in a way that no matter how this swings, its not going to turn around and bite him in the ass, yet also regardless of how it swings, the Tigers are now showing more assertiveness and an attitude to no more bullshit.

 

[69-05-41]

In other news Russell Packer will certainly honour his contract and hopes to remain a Tiger for afterlife on a front-loaded upgrade.

 

[jadtiger]

In other news Russell Packer will certainly honour his contract and hopes to remain a Tiger for afterlife on a front-loaded upgrade.

I dont want to take even more blood pressure tablets than i do now.Please think of the health of all of us old buggers.

 

[Holden]

Chammas just released another story behind a paywall this time titled : Eagle mock: Aloiai ridicules Tigers chairman after vowing to never wear jersey again

Fammmmm Lee’s is going to be a grumpy bugger in the morning.

 

[gallagher]

In other news Russell Packer will certainly honour his contract and hopes to remain a Tiger for afterlife on a front-loaded upgrade.

Great to see a player wanting to fulfill his contract.

Isn't it?

 

[05TIGZZ]

Chammas just released another story behind a paywall this time titled : Eagle mock: Aloiai ridicules Tigers chairman after vowing to never wear jersey again

Fammmmm Lee’s is going to be a grumpy bugger in the morning.

If your manly are you still wanting to pay $700k for an immature douchebag. His whole religious reputation is going to go down the drain.