Aloiai

[TheDaBoss]

Never a dull moment ?

Dumpsters on fire
Mods giving free pet reviews
Players refusing to wear the jersey
CEO’s doing deals in laundromats

I love this joint ?

Our offseason has been far more entertaining than our regular season.

Moar I say moar

I'm going as far as sayinf this off season is more entering than when we played during the season ??

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Start new job tomorrow boss is Manly supporter

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

There has been no photos of the boys back at training yet like most years.

Media team are probably in damage control putting together a release for this debacle.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Ahhh
So anything new happen today
What have I missed

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Start new job tomorrow boss is Manly supporter

Wear toe-pokers and kick him in the gooch.

 

[hobbo1]

We’ll come good when all the soft cocks are weeded out

Might only be the forum left... No players, coaches, managers, board or NRL

We can play imaginary games each week and go through undefeated ?

Don’t tell my mrs the club folded as she'll give me stuff to do ?

 

[JC99]

Start new job tomorrow boss is Manly supporter

Just pretend you’re a Melbourne supporter

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Start new job tomorrow boss is Manly supporter

Wear toe-pokers and kick him in the gooch.

Hopefully I don't get myself fired first day. Will ask for a upgraded 3 year contract.

 

[Lauren]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

 

[tig_prmz]

The thing people are missing is that it's not a one off.

Going back to the Moses/Woods/Teddy days, people are wanting to jump ships. Twal, Aloiai and Matterson were all good friends and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Twal walks soon as well.

We are letting our players down in some capacity. We need to accept that and change it. It's bigger than this one player.

 

[jirskyr]

Lee on SEN now saying he will be pushing the NRL to ensure that players requesting releases on compassionate grounds cannot profit from the release and that their remuneration should remain the same for the remaining period on the defaulted contract.

I agree with him. Should generate support from all clubs.

If this constant defaulting on contracts stops it should arrest the rapid rate of increasing player salaries.

But how many times does this happen to the powerful clubs - Cleary, Matterson, Aloiai see a pattern

Pearce, Kyle Flanagan, AFB, JAC, Corey H-N, Joseph Suaalii, Val Holmes, Des Hasler, Gareth Widdop, Jason Saab (in the works), Waqa Blake, RCG, Wade Egan. Matt Burton is probably going to ask for a release soon.

So many players agitate for a release, I don't even have to give it much thought.

Then the obvious part of your comment - how often do powerful clubs have players request a release? Quite often actually, but being powerful clubs they tend to be lower-ranked players and the club has replacements more easily lined up. That's just an obvious part of business.

 

[hobbo1]

The thing people are missing is that it's not a one off.

Going back to the Moses/Woods/Teddy days, people are wanting to jump ships. Twal, Aloiai and Matterson were all good friends and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Twal walks soon as well.

We are letting our players down in some capacity. We need to accept that and change it. It's bigger than this one player.

Is it though .. is it ?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury. They expect security and flexibility. In Rugby League they are mutually exclusive if you're signing long term (3+ year,) contracts.

 

[mike]

Interesting: Tyran smith aiolis manager is also the manager for AFB.

That’s no coincidence. He needs Aloiai to go to Manly so AFB can go to Warriors. If he doesn’t Smith doesn’t get paid. This way he gets paid twice.

 

[TYGA]

Line in the sand no release, no trades. If we do it history will repeat. Take a Viagra and harden up.

 

[tig_prmz]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury.

Melbourne is a successful club, we aren't. Again, it's not a one off. I hate to bring this up but remember the Mosese Fotuaika and BMM incident? I'm definitely not blaming the club and we may have done everything in our power to support him but somewhere player welfare or player management is letting us down.

Since when is greed a player welfare issue? Why is that character flaw the responsibility of the club to manage?

"Oh you were offered more money, sure go on take it, we wouldn't want you to be unhappy. Yeah, nah don't worry, we'll figure out a replacement in a small field of average players on the open market. Enjoy Brookie mate."

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Manly offering almost 700k is absurd, and way over what we're willing to pay. Can't fault the club for not offering him that much.
Did he actually say that he'll never wear the jersey again or is that just Chammas paraphrasing the impression he got? No direct quotes in there.
The whole notion of letting him play in CC next year for the Magpies is also absurd and impossible. His offer from manly only exists if he gets released now. They are not interested in signing him for 2022, only next season as a replacement for AFB.
Of course we don't have to release him like Storm didn't with JAC, and as a player who's previously been highly committed and professional I would expect him to honour the contract.
In the end, and as i've said numerous times before, i see Josh as a bench prop. A handy player but a player with flaws in his ball handling and defence and giving away penalties. These flaws haven't improved over the past 5 years.
If Manly want him for next season they'll have to offer us something, and i believe that is most likely to be Sean Keppie. He was close to signing with us before joining Manly. His access to first grade would be lessend by Aloiai's arrival, and he'd be something of a like for like swap. Cheaper than Josh, and a big boy with good wraps on him.
Schuster could be an option too if he's unsettled, but we'd still need to replace Aloiai.

They should give us both Keppie and Schuster. Keppie showed good signs last year that he could bust the line. Not a top tier forward but an upgrade on both McIntyre and Seyfarth.

 

[BAGNF05]

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[Devon Head]

The club could have handled it better, but imo made the right call in the end. If we were to pay massive overs for every player that had 1 good year, we would be flat out even filling a top 30 squad

Just ask the dragons how they feel about Ben hunt

Tigers have their own Ben Hunt's in the form of Packer, Reynolds and Mbye.