Aloiai

Wests Tigers prop Josh Aloiai has taken to Instagram to mock club chairman Lee Hagipantelis following another day of drama at the club.

Aloiai, who asked for an immediate release from the club as first reported by The Herald, took to social media on Tuesday night to make fun of the chairman's pledge to make the 25-year-old mow the lawns at Leichhardt Oval before releasing him.

Aloiai posted a meme on Tuesday night with his face pasted over a man cutting the grass with the captain "I'll make sure it's a super fast track boys".

It comes after Hagipantelis told News Corp "He is either a Wests Tiger or he is mowing the lawns at Leichhardt or Campbelltown or painting the change rooms at Concord — as long as he fulfils his contract".

Josh Aloiai's social media post on Tuesday night, making fun of the chairman's pledge to make him mow the lawn before releasing him.
Josh Aloiai's social media post on Tuesday night, making fun of the chairman's pledge to make him mow the lawn before releasing him. SUPPLIED
Tigers officials were last week left gobsmacked after one of their most committed players turned on the club in the hope of securing an immediate release from the final year of his $350,000 contract to join Manly in 2021.


Sources with knowledge of negotiations told The Herald that Aloiai's manager Tyran Smith had asked for more than $600,000 a season, well above the $450,000-a-season extension the Tigers offered for 2022 and 2023. Aloiai averages almost the same metres per game as recruit James Tamou, who was brought to the club on a two-year deal worth $350,000 a season.

Josh Aloiai is looking for the exit doors.
Josh Aloiai is looking for the exit doors. NRL PHOTOS
After weeks of discussions, the Tigers recently put a one-day deadline on Aloiai to make a decision after learning he had all but struck a deal to join Manly. The Tigers will meet Smith on Wednesday.

Fed-up Wests Tigers officials have called a meeting with the NRL to discuss the role of managers in the sport after prop Josh Aloiai dropped a bombshell on the club

Hagipantelis is ropeable with the situation and implored the NRL to take a stance against players and agents who agitate for a release to gain a financial advantage at another club.


"If there is indeed a genuine welfare concern that warrants our intervention in the current contractual relations, then the player should not be permitted to seek a commercial gain elsewhere," Hagipantelis said.


"If you are contracted to play for a certain salary for a club, then released on compassionate grounds, if that is indeed what they are, then you should be bound to the terms of the original contract. I am so concerned by such behaviour that I have instructed my CEO Justin Pascoe to raise our concerns with Andrew Abdo."

Aloiai's fierce tirade against the Tigers comes six weeks after his manager approached the club for an extension, and two weeks after Smith emailed the club to tell them how well Aloiai had developed under coach Michael Maguire.

The sudden change of heart has caught the Tigers by surprise, especially considering how vocal Aloiai had been in support of the besieged Maguire throughout a turbulent season for the club.

"I find it very perplexing that only some four weeks ago, the player sat opposite to me and professed his love of the club and commitment," Hagipantelis told The Herald.


"The days of players, or others, thinking that they can use the Wests Tigers as a stepping stone are over"
Wests Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis
"Now we have a situation where a form of release has been sought, with a view to taking up a contract elsewhere obviously for more money. It is curious as to how that seems to generate welfare concerns."

Aloiai's manager also looks after Addin Fonua-Blake, who was granted a release from Manly to join the Warriors on one of the most lucrative deals for a prop in the history of the sport.

Sources within the game were shocked Manly were willing to release Fonua-Blake, the best prop in the game as voted by the players in a Sydney Morning Herald poll earlier in the year, for personal reasons without a replacement. However the recent events involving Aloiai could explain why.

"It is my understanding that he has agreed to terms with Manly for 2022 and 2023, but that is contingent upon a release in 2021," Hagipantelis said of the New Zealander who has played 90 games for the club since debuting in 2016.

Benji Marshall and Josh Aloiai at training together last year.
Benji Marshall and Josh Aloiai at training together last year. GETTY

"In my view he has a contract with the Wests Tigers which he will fulfil in 2021 unless I can leverage a commercial advantage for the club. The days of players, or others, thinking that they can use the Wests Tigers as a stepping stone are over."

The Tigers are still reeling from missing out on Josh Addo-Carr's services last week after his manager, Mario Tartak, managed to use the club's four-year offer to extract an upgrade from the Storm, despite the winger requesting a release on compassionate grounds to be closer to family.

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It's likely the recent antics of Aloiai and his manager will make his position at the club untenable, but the Tigers will follow Melbourne's stance with Addo-Carr and refuse to release him until they get an outcome they are happy with.

The Tigers have no shortage of front-rowers with young Eels prop Stefano Utoikamanu and Penrith captain James Tamou set to join the team when they return to pre-season training, bolstering a pack that also includes props Zane Musgrove, Alex Twal, Thomas Mikaele and Russell Packer.

Despite justified criticism aimed at the club for the big money offer to previous players, the Tigers have since internally recognised their past errors and adjusted the way they do business
 
@jirskyr said in [Aloiai](/post/1266168) said:
@dazza65 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266163) said:
I’m a member and I have some lawns to do....... maybe he can do ours as well....

That's ace, such a good idea. Membership day you come down to meet the players and Josh comes around to your house to tidy up whilst you are gone.

Probably drop a vase at a critical moment
 
I suspect he'll live to regret that meme - very foolish move. What did he think he could achieve by mocking the chairman - a lawyer - when trying to negotiate a release from a binding contract.

If Lee H was dirty at the situation he'll be absolutely livid now. I think JA has likely cost himself any chance of a release unless we're on the receiving end of some significant player compensation.

God certainly works in mysterious ways...
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Aloiai](/post/1266204) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266194) said:
They better not let Aloiai get an early release I’ll be fuming

I don’t think they will.

Problem is the situation becomes untenable, he has friends at the club who will back him potentially creating a toxic culture, a player swap is the best outcome but we never seem to be able to arrange one.
 
@voice_of_reason said in [Aloiai](/post/1266337) said:
I suspect he'll live to regret that meme - very foolish move. What did he think he could achieve by mocking the chairman - a lawyer - when trying to negotiate a release from a binding contract.

If Lee H was dirty at the situation he'll be absolutely livid now. I think JA has likely cost himself any chance of a release unless we're on the receiving end of some significant player compensation.

God certainly works in mysterious ways...

Hell with the way this has blown up, I wouldn’t be surprised if Manly squirm out of anything they’ve agreed to signed or not.
 
@TigersBusDriver said in [Aloiai](/post/1266336) said:
A lot of the Manly fans over on the Silvertail forum are defending the Tigers in maintaining the contract...

If we were trying to sign a player for up coming years as was the case with Stefano and the young fellow from Penrith, and they carried on like Aloiai is now I wouldn’t be so keen on them joining. This bloke is carrying on like a pork chop, on another note where’s the muppet supposed friend that was obviously tying to gauge opinion of what has happened today. Very dubious all that was, looking forward to that fast track this idiot will be mowing.
 
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266270) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1266268) said:
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266266) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1266262) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266194) said:
They better not let Aloiai get an early release I’ll be fuming

Maybe he's trying to provoke in the hopes backlash or retaliating comments makes it untenable for him to fulfil his contract?
Disappointing to see it get so ugly.
Also noticed from earlier comments that we'd actually 450K and not 10%, so someone's been telling porkies.

Yea his “mate” who had all the inside information about how much he was supposedly mistreated.

Can't believe what Manly are supposedly throwing at him. That's a ridiculous amount and our offer was pretty good if you ask me.

Des is off his nut, his got an underperforming DCE at over a mil, injury prone Turbo at over a mil, arguably Jake hasn’t had the best season either at roughly 700-800k, and then now Aloiai at 500 jesus.

In comparison to that, we are definitely making in roads to better and smarter recruitment/retention drive for the future.

Those Turbo boys seem like classy humans too, wouldn’t see them disrespecting the club that they love
 
@Red88_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1266288) said:
He’s not going to guarantee manly a top 8 slot.
It doesn’t help us if he kicks stones. Hit manly up for 100k for our cap and let him go.

No. That’s what we do every time and end up the fool when the other team/player outperforms us
 
@gallagher said in [Aloiai](/post/1266291) said:
@Moh said in [Aloiai](/post/1266286) said:
Lol well this thread has exploded.

Few things from me:

1. Josh is a decent player at this stage, nothing more and certainly no 600k player
2. I've never liked him, based on his social media activities, so if he's gone I won't feel conflicted
3. His 'mate' posting on here making it look like the clubs at fault for the 24hr deadline... sounds like Josh had a deal done with Manly by then.
4. Actually think the club has handles this well - only problem is we're running out of first graders

Holey crap, I actually think the club handled it well too!!!!
What's happening to me ??

It ain’t over Gal. Still gotta get some ‘commercial advantage’ in Lees terms. That’s where we are historically poor.
 
@coivtny said in [Aloiai](/post/1266308) said:
@Red88_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1266288) said:
He’s not going to guarantee manly a top 8 slot.
It doesn’t help us if he kicks stones. Hit manly up for 100k for our cap and let him go.

I think $100k is 'unders' by a long way.

Particularly when we can’t get good players here for 600
 
@Russell said in [Aloiai](/post/1266001) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1265778) said:
@diedpretty said in [Aloiai](/post/1265741) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Aloiai](/post/1265582) said:
@Telltails said in [Aloiai](/post/1265580) said:
And his "mate" spun the line that the deal with Manly was nothing like figures being currently talked about.

Who is his "mate?"

Tiga4eva - has become very quiet.


Suspiciously quiet IMO. Noticed something 2 days ago. @tiga4eva when asked by avocadoontoast if Aloiai is leaving, Tiga4eva's response was........"I’m not sure, but I seriously doubt he ***ever wants to pull our jersey on again***. He’s still contracted for 2021".

Curious turn of phrase, strangely prophetic? #ratintheranks?

EDIT: Just noticed @needaname had already made this observation. I was a bit late.

Here's a thought......Maybe @tiga4eva is Josh!!!! Da Na!!!!!!!!!!

He's been on the Forum for years Russ ...what did he post on the Forum when he was playing for Parra
 
@voice_of_reason said in [Aloiai](/post/1266337) said:
I suspect he'll live to regret that meme - very foolish move. What did he think he could achieve by mocking the chairman - a lawyer - when trying to negotiate a release from a binding contract.

If Lee H was dirty at the situation he'll be absolutely livid now. I think JA has likely cost himself any chance of a release unless we're on the receiving end of some significant player compensation.

God certainly works in mysterious ways...

Next time he kisses his wrist strapping and looks to the heavens, lightning will strike him....wasn’t JA good mates with Matterson....followed his script
 
@diedpretty said in [Aloiai](/post/1266312) said:
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266305) said:
@diedpretty said in [Aloiai](/post/1266299) said:
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266293) said:
@formerguest said in [Aloiai](/post/1266289) said:
@coivtny said in [Aloiai](/post/1266271) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Aloiai](/post/1266229) said:
Even if half the rumor's are not true, it's still ugly. JP talks about the importance of the organizations people:

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/09/10/ceo-justin-pascoe-our-people-are-our-greatest-asset/


but here we are with a future leader of the club being low balled and given a deadline....Seems odd.

Strap in boys, gunna be a tough (er) couple of seasons.

If the offer of $450k a year is on the mark he wasn't low-balled.
The money is about right for his quality. The deadline only followed prolonged discussions and in those circumstances is quite reasonable. I'm 100% with the club on this.

Where does that $450k figure come from please?

It seems like good dollars for a frontrower that doesn't work too hard around the ruck in defence.


Chammas at SMH, also said he was asking for 600, and Manly forums are stating he has signed for just north of 500 for 22 and 23. No reliable information that it was dependant on a 21 release but I reckon its true if Lee’s that pissed about it.


This is what the DT has quoted Lee H as saying on the contingent stuff :

"I was informed that the ‘22 and ‘23 deal may be contingent on a release for 2021."

Who informed him? And now he says it "may be contingent". If he is going to go to the media he should make sure all his ducks are in a row first - he seems to be backtracking on his hard stance earlier.


Pretty sure its Aloiai’s text message to club officials saying “I wont represent the tigers or put on a jersey”, that had Lee firing up, Then the Manly boss comes out and says we are negotiating for 22 but haven’t spoken about 21. Which I’m still suspect about ?‍♂️ Either way its been pretty strong D from us all around IMO, I dont see that as backtracking tbh.


Thats not all of it though - he seems to be trying to cover all bases. Don't get me wrong i'm all for coming out all guns blazing. I just see statements such as '" anecdotally we have been told" and " I was informed " and " may be contingent " as knowing only half the story. The guy runs a law firm - if you have all the facts you dont come out with wishy washy statements like these.

No no that's exactly what you do as a lawyer.

You don't make a public statement "this is true" - you are then make statements that are directly accusatory or slanderous. You say things like "I am lead to believe" and "anecdotally I've been told".

You are putting forward information without asserting it as fact. Same as the use of "allegedly" which means "I don't know it to be true, but it is claimed". The fact is that the claim exists, not that the claim is true.

Lee cannot come out and say "Manly have offered him a deal which must include 2021, hence the release agitation". That's an accusation against Manly of breaking NRL rules of conduct. Instead he's saying he believes the deal may be contingent. And if they challenge him, he says "well it appears I was misinformed, I am not making any allegations".
 
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266339) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Aloiai](/post/1266204) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266194) said:
They better not let Aloiai get an early release I’ll be fuming

I don’t think they will.

Problem is the situation becomes untenable, he has friends at the club who will back him potentially creating a toxic culture, a player swap is the best outcome but we never seem to be able to arrange one.

It's up to Manly, they want/need the player.
 

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