Aloiai

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

 

[Swordy]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

 

[avocadoontoast]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Yeah we have $1.5m wasted in reserves, lets chuck away another $350k and see if we can't push it closer to $2m. No wonder we never make the 8.

 

[cochise]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

Who cares, it was McIntyre.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Yeah we have $1.5m wasted in reserves, lets chuck away another $350k and see if we can't push it closer to $2m. No wonder we never make the 8.

And when Talau and/or Mikaele, and even young Liddle if he eventually fires gets up and leaves us mid contract, will that help our chances?

 

[JC99]

Sounds like we’re getting absolutely zero compensation for Aloiai. Lee talked the talked but at the end of the day he was let go just like Matterson with absolutely nothing in return.

I can understand their reasons but it’s disappointing especially after the tough stance Lee was certain we would take. We haven’t discouraged this kind of behaviour at all so far. Hopefully in the coming days we hear that manly gave us some money or something

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Yeah we have $1.5m wasted in reserves, lets chuck away another $350k and see if we can't push it closer to $2m. No wonder we never make the 8.

And when Talau and/or Mikaele, and even young Liddle if he eventually fires gets up and leaves us mid contract, will that help our chances?

Wasting money, cap space and a roster spot isn't how you help this situation.

 

[clontarfkid]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously
maybe we hire Storms ..?

 

[cochise]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Yeah we have $1.5m wasted in reserves, lets chuck away another $350k and see if we can't push it closer to $2m. No wonder we never make the 8.

And when Talau and/or Mikaele, and even young Liddle if he eventually fires gets up and leaves us mid contract, will that help our chances?

Wasting money, cap space and a roster spot isn't how you help this situation.

It isn't ideal mate, absolutely right there.

Really, unless the NRL do something, I can't see anything changing. And I just don't think the NRL will do anything unless they absolutely have to. I had (maybe romantic) ideas of it being the WT that stood up, got tough, played some guy in Reserves for a while, and that being the catalyst for the NRL to finally act.

It seems not to be. Hop0efully Madge can get the most out of the troops we have, and hopefully Aloiai is true to form, and is totally not worth the value Manly put on him.

 

[clontarfkid]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

 

[cochise]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

He is a good prop, not worth $600k so will be gone in 12 months anyway.

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Yeah we have $1.5m wasted in reserves, lets chuck away another $350k and see if we can't push it closer to $2m. No wonder we never make the 8.

And when Talau and/or Mikaele, and even young Liddle if he eventually fires gets up and leaves us mid contract, will that help our chances?

Wasting money, cap space and a roster spot isn't how you help this situation.

It isn't ideal mate, absolutely right there.

Really, unless the NRL do something, I can't see anything changing. And I just don't think the NRL will do anything unless they absolutely have to. I had (maybe romantic) ideas of it being the WT that stood up, got tough, played some guy in Reserves for a while, and that being the catalyst for the NRL to finally act.

It seems not to be. Hop0efully Madge can get the most out of the troops we have, and hopefully Aloiai is true to form, and is totally not worth the value Manly put on him.

You drill this point home every chance you get in the media, our press release releasing him should be very critical of the situation. The NRL has spoken about getting rid of this problem. We shouldn't shut up about it until they do.

 

[clontarfkid]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

He is a good prop, not worth $600k so will be gone in 12 months anyway.

Agree...but weve gotta learn to manage our cap both ways.If we get stuck with the Packers and Reynolds for their full term,then lets ensure our guys who weve invested in and improve get to play out their full contracted term too.It works both ways for other well run clubs
We are definitely NOT in that category
And the empty promises of mowing the lawns are just that
What sort of precedent does that ..well..confirm..yet again

 

[tiger05premier]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Who knows how to set up a poll?

We could guess who's going to crap on us next year and make a fool of us

I'm sure Lee will play his part in embarrassing us

JA should've been made to suffer simple as that

JO isn't compensation we could fit him in anyway

JA shouldve been sent to RMC to waste away

 

[cochise]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

He is a good prop, not worth $600k so will be gone in 12 months anyway.

Agree...but weve gotta learn to manage our cap both ways.If we get stuck with the Packers and Reynolds for their full term,then lets ensure our guys who weve invested in and improve get to play out their full contracted term too.It works both ways for other well run clubs
We are definitely NOT in that category
And the empty promises of mowing the lawns are just that
What sort of precedent does that ..well..confirm..yet again

I don't care about the precedent as it doesn't fix this, if we didn't have Packer and Reynolds then maybe we could afford to play hardball. That is not where we are though so we have to act in a way that improves our roster, playing Aloiai in reserves doesn't fix our roster. Let him go and get someone else here, who is a part of our future, instead of wasting money on a weak minded individual.

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Who knows how to set up a poll?

We could guess who's going to crap on us next year and make a fool of us

I'm sure Lee will play his part in embarrassing us

JA should've been made to suffer simple as that

JO isn't compensation we could fit him in anyway

JA shouldve been sent to RMC to waste away

So we should suffer to prove a point?

 

[avocadoontoast]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

Who cares, it was McIntyre.

Regardless it’s not great management. Also means we now have to sign Seyfarth who is much worse

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I think we will get some form of compensation for Aloiai how much probably not enough and we will possibly never know either.