Aloiai

[GNR4LIFE]

This thread will die of now of its own accord.

For my my final words are those tinged with some sadness.

My family and I really connected with Josh A for some reason and were sad he isn't here to grow with the other forwards and JoeO. I dont begrudge him a better contract but it was handled poorly.

For the Tigers that's 3 (Moses, Matterson and JA). There are some lessons here

***Tigers Forward pack is filling out nicely for the years to come.***

That’s all that matters. Aloiai is a nice guy (well a few will argue that now) but there are better players out there. And I think we’ve picked up a couple of them.

 

[hank37w]

“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

This comment drew a fair few down votes, as a lot of people don't agree with it. Personally I upvoted it. I upvoted it, not because I agree with it, though the same thought did cross my mind. I upvoted it because the person had the conviction to post something they thought. And even though it isn't popular, I want to encourage people to post what they think.

I don't know what criteria people use for down-voting, and that's up to them to do so however they choose. Personally (from my recollection) I generally only like using down-voting when I read someone having a dig at someone else. And I don't mean the playful state of origin digging, but what I think is a harsh dig.

I would also like to say, that this view here that so many people don't like, will most definitely be held by some non-WT supporters out there, fingers crossed hopefully not the majority. Fingers crossed not by too many in the media.

Thanks for posting that and having the courage to do so.

Just for the record I am a pretty passionate Wests Tigers supporter and don't like seeing our club trodden on and treated with the disrespect that some players, player managers and some sections of the media have in the past.

If anyone thinks that I have been disrespectful to the club in any way, I apologize, but as previously stated, as a passionate Wests Tigers supporter I feel that I have a right to speak up and say something if I feel that the club has been weak in taking a stand on some matters, particularly if I feel that it may leave us open to the possibility of even more issues somewhere down the track.

Just in case anyone is interested and hasn't understood, I think we have come out in front with the way things have turned out.

What concerns me is that we will never know if it was good management or just good luck that the JA and JO deals came off the way they did.

My thoughts are that after all the tough talking by our chairman, the way Josh was able to walk away just seemed like we gave in at a time when we should have taken a tougher stand to really make it an issue and force the NRL to bring about some changes in this area.

I had a feeling that it would pretty much end up this way when we started seeing reports in the media stating that the release of Josh was imminent with JO expected to be released to us from Brisbane.

I interpreted this as a bit of good news being spread around to detract from the original tough talking comments and demands made by our chairman.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

This thread will die of now of its own accord.

For my my final words are those tinged with some sadness.

My family and I really connected with Josh A for some reason and were sad he isn't here to grow with the other forwards and JoeO. I dont begrudge him a better contract but it was handled poorly.

For the Tigers that's 3 (Moses, Matterson and JA). There are some lessons here

Tigers Forward pack is filling out nicely for the years to come.

The reasons Matterson and Aloiai were at WTs (meaning issues with former clubs) is perhaps predictive of future behaviour. Our recruitment has definitely stepped up so being rid of both should be viewed as a positive.

 

[cqtiger]

I think our club did really well with handling the JA outcome. Why?

There hasn’t been any negative press. It’s been all positive stuff from all the news outlets.

Very rare.

 

[Telltails]

“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

This comment drew a fair few down votes, as a lot of people don't agree with it. Personally I upvoted it. I upvoted it, not because I agree with it, though the same thought did cross my mind. I upvoted it because the person had the conviction to post something they thought. And even though it isn't popular, I want to encourage people to post what they think.

I don't know what criteria people use for down-voting, and that's up to them to do so however they choose. Personally (from my recollection) I generally only like using down-voting when I read someone having a dig at someone else. And I don't mean the playful state of origin digging, but what I think is a harsh dig.

I would also like to say, that this view here that so many people don't like, will most definitely be held by some non-WT supporters out there, fingers crossed hopefully not the majority. Fingers crossed not by too many in the media.

Thanks for posting that and having the courage to do so.

Just for the record I am a pretty passionate Wests Tigers supporter and don't like seeing our club trodden on and treated with the disrespect that some players, player managers and some sections of the media have in the past.

If anyone thinks that I have been disrespectful to the club in any way, I apologize, but as previously stated, as a passionate Wests Tigers supporter I feel that I have a right to speak up and say something if I feel that the club has been weak in taking a stand on some matters, particularly if I feel that it may leave us open to the possibility of even more issues somewhere down the track.

Just in case anyone is interested and hasn't understood, I think we have come out in front with the way things have turned out.

What concerns me is that we will never know if it was good management or just good luck that the JA and JO deals came off the way they did.

My thoughts are that after all the tough talking by our chairman, the way Josh was able to walk away just seemed like we gave in at a time when we should have taken a tougher stand to really make it an issue and force the NRL to bring about some changes in this area.

I had a feeling that it would pretty much end up this way when we started seeing reports in the media stating that the release of Josh was imminent with JO expected to be released to us from Brisbane.

I interpreted this as a bit of good news being spread around to detract from the original tough talking comments and demands made by our chairman.

It was a solution to a problem that still exists. Hopefully with a good outcome.

 

[fibrodreaming]

My thoughts are that after all the tough talking by our chairman, the way Josh was able to walk away just seemed like we gave in at a time when we should have taken a tougher stand to really make it an issue and force the NRL to bring about some changes in this area.

The Chair said that we would not release Josh unless we obtained a commercial advantage (or words to that effect). It is being reported that we have obtained a commercial advantage.

We have also signed a credible replacement.

All in all, the club have made a very good recovery from a very difficult situation and we have emerged with our credibility intact.

I'm impressed with the way things are being managed.

 

[hodgo]

This is ridiculous.
Arguably one of the best run clubs souths literally just did the same thing as us. Some of our supporters make me laugh heaps.
Souths took cash to let the biggest young talent leave early to their worst enemies.
Money talks! We not only got rid of a disgruntled player but we also received a considerable sum in return.
We also replaced him with a buy low player.
If we are honest we all know that Josh had a better year then the big o. However we also should be aware that Josh has never performed at the level big o has so we win if the coaching can get him back there.

Stop with this the club is soft rubbish

 

[Russell]

well if it was $2m or Geo's $12m, then I would be happy.

Well whether it is a pie or 2m. you will never know.

And that is the way it should be.

 

[Telltails]

This is ridiculous.
Arguably one of the best run clubs souths literally just did the same thing as us. Some of our supporters make me laugh heaps.
Souths took cash to let the biggest young talent leave early to their worst enemies.
Money talks! We not only got rid of a disgruntled player but we also received a considerable sum in return.
We also replaced him with a buy low player.
If we are honest we all know that Josh had a better year then the big o. However we also should be aware that Josh has never performed at the level big o has so we win if the coaching can get him back there.

Stop with this the club is soft rubbish

I don't think the concern is about letting players go it's about replacing them for better ones. South's don't have that problem neither do the Roosters you cant compare us to them at this point. We have replaced Alolai with a player who had a terrible season if he has a good one next year let's make sure he honours his contract - that's all.

 

[Papacito]

This whole saga has been an interesting one and says a lot about the modern game.

If another club swoops in an entices a $300k player with $700k to fill a hole in their roster and offers you some compensation, can you legally, ethically or practically stand in their way?

Contracts aren't what they used to be.

While the club talked tough, the end result was always predictable and was used to get some good PR with fans.

Letting guys go and even upgrading contracts of the guys you want to keep is part of modern roster management.

We've seemingly ended up in a better position roster wise, but only time will tell whether this was a good roster juggle.

 

[TrueTiger]

What has eventuated from a scenario that could have rocked the boat right up to season 2021 start,is a very good result for the team and club...Lets now wait and see if our football operations staff,Madge and recruitment have made the right calls...I can see this squad going a lot further with more grunt than last year...finals bound hopefully...

 

[weststigerman]

Can comfortably hate Josh and his bizarre views now.

But man, Manly have made some good signings to be fair. They should really improve next season.

He’s no AFB...josh has big shoes to fill

He's not, but hes a very solid player who could potentially get better. He was one of the hardest runners in our team.

Just cause he acted like a douche and is no longer with us, lets not pretend he isn't a good player.

He is not worth $600k

Nope, not even close. I'm more than happy with how its turned out for us.

But they have him for that much while fitting in a very decent team around him. They will be one of the big improvers IMO.

With DCE on over $1m, the trbojevic brothers and Aloaia’s 600k, they’ve got a lot of money tied up in a few players. And for long term contracts. I’m sure Taupau isn’t cheap either.

A lot of pressure on that group of players.

 

[Spartan117]

If we are honest we all know that Josh had a better year then the big o. However we also should be aware that Josh has never performed at the level big o has so we win if the coaching can get him back there

Solid Insight

 

[earl]

My thoughts are that after all the tough talking by our chairman, the way Josh was able to walk away just seemed like we gave in at a time when we should have taken a tougher stand to really make it an issue and force the NRL to bring about some changes in this area.

The Chair said that we would not release Josh unless we obtained a commercial advantage (or words to that effect). It is being reported that we have obtained a commercial advantage.

We have also signed a credible replacement.

All in all, the club have made a very good recovery from a very difficult situation and we have emerged with our credibility intact.

I'm impressed with the way things are being managed.

We've handled this as well as could be expected but I don't think we've come out ahead. These situations are poorly managed via the NRL. They need to do something about contracts.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I just have a quick question. It may have already been raised but I haven't read back through all the posts, if so, my apologies.
Is there any inkling that Aloiai may have gotten his nose out of joint because WT signed Tamou and was pushed down in the rankings slightly?

 

[Devon Head]

I just have a quick question. It may have already been raised but I haven't read back through all the posts, if so, my apologies.
Is there any inkling that Aloiai may have gotten his nose out of joint because WT signed Tamou and was pushed down in the rankings slightly?

Not too sure tbh, I personally feel it was all about the $$. Manly willing to cough up around 600k/season and Tigers well below that. Not sure where the complete dummy spit by JA came from however I can only assume it was due to a directive of his manager or complete brain explosion on his part to try force the issue.

I'm not sure singing Tamou would have affected JA's pecking order in the team. If anything he should have considered it a blessing that he was getting some positive reinforcements to help out up front.

 

[Papacito]

I just have a quick question. It may have already been raised but I haven't read back through all the posts, if so, my apologies.
Is there any inkling that Aloiai may have gotten his nose out of joint because WT signed Tamou and was pushed down in the rankings slightly?

At the end of the day, money talks much louder than pride.

 

[jirskyr]

Storm talked tough and they didn’t deviate .

That's not what happened, Storm caved in and gave JAC a payrise, and they are going to loose him in 2022 anyway.

 

[jirskyr]

No 'Weakness' shown by releasing JA. WE released him because it suited US to do so.

We recruited a subsidised player who plays in the same position (Some would say a better player who offers more versatility).

Therefore, no detriment to us in releasing him.

Club moves forward no worse off (Potentially better off) - yet people wanna bag the club.

Were the roosters weak when they let Latrell walk without any financial consideration?

Same thing happened last year. A number of folks think we still caved in re Matterson but the actuality was that Matterson's departure facilitated Luciano Leilua who then went on to have a breakout season and was signed for a modest amount.

If you have a player who wants to leave, there's nothing you can do about their desire to leave. But you can be smart about fashioning a rapid solution to the eventuality that the player leaves. Surely fans can see it's like-for-like, possibly even an upgrade? Matto out, Luciano in. Aloiai out, Joe O in.

 

[jirskyr]

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