America - Gun Control

[earl]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

 

[TCL]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

It is necessary to arm oneself so heavily to prove that small things amuse small minds. Just as rabbits were introduced into Australia to provide animals for cruel and small minds to kill. Abraham who seems to really believes in evil must perceive kangaroos as evil because he goes out shooting them - or is it a case of small things amusing small minds.

 

[innsaneink]

So if you agree that the 2A doesn't rule out modern weapons then i dont know what the issue is. That is my sole point.

And no, obviously i dont know you. But Hillary Clinton swears by single nostril breathing techniques. So if its good enough for crooked Hillary …

My issue is that the Amendment is redundant.

Lol so you take to a football forum to throw a tantrum about it? I suppose thats the best you can hope for as the second amendment is far too robust to be altered by people who get their knickers in a twist when ever it suits their paranoia.
Carry on.

I don't see how discussing it in a non footy forum is frowned upon nor throwing a tantrum, I mean you're happy to have your opinion and when those don't agree you get the cats arse, get belligerent and start playing the man and not the ball… Well, when in Rome I guess.

**Speaking of tantrums, perhaps I should announce I'm throwing the place in only to come back in a fortnight? What do you reckon, "Munk?"**

Yeah…. A few of us thought munk reminded us of someone else... I thought there was 'more important things in life' .... LOL
Some life.. Desperately trying to gain an edge on the net... haha. Sad

 

[Munk]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

Sure.
Just because you have a gun does not mean you will use it to shoot a human being. Simple as that.

 

[Geo]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

High heels could leave a mark Earl..

 

[earl]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

Sure.
Just because you have a gun does not mean you will use it to shoot a human being. Simple as that.

You got one. Well done. So now try and think on this. If you have access to automatic weapons and at some point you go crazy you are going to do a lot more damage than if you have access to women's shoes.

Just sit on that concept for a while. Let it sink in.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

High heels could leave a mark Earl..

Especially if it's Eddie Murphy's mum…

 

[Abraham]

Abe..that was a tongue in cheek response to CB's comment..

FWIW…I have no problem with the American Constitution or their citizens right to bare arms..the issue I have is the ease with which they seem to be able to stockpile these high powered weapons...

I mean I ask myself for what purpose would someone need to have over 30 weapons...

Yeah i get it.

The stockpiling of weapons is a side issue in this Las Vegas shooting, because the guy didn't use 30 weapons, he used two.

And in reality, he only needed one.

So the problem facing gun control activists is how do you come up with any legislation to stop these sorts of mass killings, and the realistic answer is that you can't. I'm all ears to proposals, but I am yet to hear one that would have actually worked.

 

[Abraham]

Somehow I don't think those who wrote that constitution had high powered automatic weapons in mind…

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Or everyone gets a Musket..only fair..

This is what i was responding to … and then CB started getting worked up over something else on a different tangent.

What, debating the Amendment in an historical context and my opinion that the modern intepretation doesn't match that of the spirit of the time in which it was conceived?

My response to Geo was that the 2A declares every American has the right to own firearms, and that there was no secret restriction hidden in the footnotes that limited these arms to muskets or rudimentary weapons.

They are just the facts.

If you're opposed to the Amendment for your own ideological reasons, then that's an opinion you're entitled to. I just didn't get the connection between what i wrote, and what seemed like a different issue you were responding too.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Somehow I don't think those who wrote that constitution had high powered automatic weapons in mind…

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Or everyone gets a Musket..only fair..

This is what i was responding to … and then CB started getting worked up over something else on a different tangent.

What, debating the Amendment in an historical context and my opinion that the modern intepretation doesn't match that of the spirit of the time in which it was conceived?

My response to Geo was that the 2A declares every American has the right to own firearms, and that there was no secret restriction hidden in the footnotes that limited these arms to muskets or rudimentary weapons.

They are just the facts.

If you're opposed to the Amendment for your own ideological reasons, then that's an opinion you're entitled to. I just didn't get the connection between what i wrote, and what seemed like a different issue you were responding too.

And I agree that is correct, there's nothing precluding or specifying particularly weaponry. I think you may have thought that some facetious comments that Geo and I made were actually put forward as legitimate arguments.

I wouldn't say I oppose guns because of ideology. I don't even oppose guns altogether, I am a proponent of gun control. My father and grandfather were farmers and hunted pests and I went on the shoot with them when I was young. I am quite libertarian on most issues… Drugs, freedom of (and from,) religion, sexuality, as I get older I've become far more economically liberal than I ever was but firearms (full/semi auto rifles in particular,) are the one thing I do believe need be seriously regulated.

It is a complex issue, and one that transcends the political spectrum in the US. It is a contentious issue and likely one that will not be resolved in the immediate or near future. Maybe with the amount of weapons in circulation it's gone past the critical point and there'll be no going back. As long as people are continually killed and injured in mass shootings questions will continue to be asked of the American psyche and it's gun culture, and it's adherence to a 230 year old Amendment designed to protect a fledgling nation. I mean, look at the drama's we're having with a 116 year old document and our politicians getting caught out on citizenship. Many agree that dual citizenship, or the means in which pollies are bestowed DC without their knowledge is not so much an issue as it was when the nation was founded.

These documents are written with the Zeitgeist in mind whether it be consciously or subconsciously, and can become redundant.

 

[Abraham]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

It is necessary to arm oneself so heavily to prove that small things amuse small minds. Just as rabbits were introduced into Australia to provide animals for cruel and small minds to kill. Abraham who seems to really believes in evil must perceive kangaroos as evil because he goes out shooting them - or is it a case of small things amusing small minds.

Do yo believe that evil exists?

Its been a month since i asked you.

Surely even somebody as slow as you can come up with 'yes' or 'no' in that timeframe.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

It is necessary to arm oneself so heavily to prove that small things amuse small minds. Just as rabbits were introduced into Australia to provide animals for cruel and small minds to kill. Abraham who seems to really believes in evil must perceive kangaroos as evil because he goes out shooting them - or is it a case of small things amusing small minds.

Do yo believe that evil exists?

Its been a month since i asked you.

Surely even somebody as slow as you can come up with 'yes' or 'no' in that timeframe.

If I thought the concept of evil as relevant to the thread topic I certainly would have replied. May I suggest you watch a recent Australian Story *ABCIView) featuring Belinda Green (former Miss Australia) who now saves wounded kangaroos and orphan kangaroos left behind by shooters such as yourself. In return I will try to watch Die Hard or a John Wayne Western on how they won the West.

 

[Abraham]

If I thought the concept of evil as relevant to the thread topic I certainly would have replied. May I suggest you watch a recent Australian Story *ABCIView) featuring Belinda Green (former Miss Australia) who now saves wounded kangaroos and orphan kangaroos left behind by shooters such as yourself. In return I will try to watch Die Hard or a John Wayne Western on how they won the West.

hahaha … you're the most spineless thing i've come across in years.

 

[magpiecol]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

We will never know. Just as we will never know what would have happened if one of the bystanders were themselves armed. Maybe no-one would have died. Who can say.

Was the "mentally ill man" in a mental hospital? Was he living freely in our society even though he was mentally ill?

Who said he was mentally ill? How do they know?

Speculation, speculation. It never ends.

:deadhorse: :deadhorse:

 

[innsaneink]

If I thought the concept of evil as relevant to the thread topic I certainly would have replied. May I suggest you watch a recent Australian Story *ABCIView) featuring Belinda Green (former Miss Australia) who now saves wounded kangaroos and orphan kangaroos left behind by shooters such as yourself. In return I will try to watch Die Hard or a John Wayne Western on how they won the West.

hahaha … you're the most spineless thing i've come across in years.

Haha…the irony

 

[innsaneink]

Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

We will never know. Just as we will never know what would have happened if one of the bystanders were themselves armed. Maybe no-one would have died. Who can say.

Was the "mentally ill man" in a mental hospital? Was he living freely in our society even though he was mentally ill?

Who said he was mentally ill? How do they know?

Speculation, speculation. It never ends.

:deadhorse: :deadhorse:

Medical records col…quite simple really

 

[Abraham]

Haha…the irony

But but but … the windows!!!

loll

 

[Munk]

Munk - how about we try some simple concepts. Do you think that hitting people with women's shoes could hurt people more or less compared to shooting them with automatic rifles.

Just try this one out to see if you can actually discuss this point logically. I have my doubts but see how you go.

Sure.
Just because you have a gun does not mean you will use it to shoot a human being. Simple as that.

You got one. Well done. So now try and think on this. If you have access to automatic weapons and at some point you go crazy you are going to do a lot more damage than if you have access to women's shoes.

Just sit on that concept for a while. Let it sink in.

Depends…maybe someone notices you have gone crazy and have murdeous intent and they grab their gun and blow your head off before your rampage starts. Under your scenario and under your prefered gun ban, this cant happen, therefore many lives could be lost.
Id say let that sink in but youll need a hammer drill first. Need to borrow one?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Lol @ semi automatic weapons being compared to women's shoes. Tbf though, there are a lot of dumber arguments if you can believe it.