America - Gun Control

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Earl,
1\. You have managed to say fact 4 times without providing any.
2\. If a crazy person goes crazy, do they then become sane?
3\. Comparing the cultures of Japan and America on this issue is foolish.
4\. What data matches up to your "logical" statement?
5\. "You have to get this easy to understand for most people fact correct before you discuss the logistics of trying to improve the situation in for example America" Your mastery of language is astonishing lol.

Sorry mate but your replies are at the level of an eleven year old at best. I feel like i am bullying you if i continue. Agree to disagree.

I showed facts. I compared Japan to the USA. You not liking those facts is completely meaningless.

I take it we are at an impasse in that you cannot acknowledge the simple reality of the situation. I said earlier if you are ready to face the facts then we can discuss the situation in America but the facts in relation to gun ownership making a society less safe are extremely clear cut.

Why compare America with Japan? Culturaly they are chalk and cheese. Compare America and Switzerland and you may learn something.
Btw, you are wrong on your facts. Gun ownership does not make society less safe. People often mistake correlation with causation and it confuses their arguments. The US department of Justice and the Centre for Disease Control both claim that major gun related crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased.
 
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If I thought the concept of evil as relevant to the thread topic I certainly would have replied. May I suggest you watch a recent Australian Story *ABCIView) featuring Belinda Green (former Miss Australia) who now saves wounded kangaroos and orphan kangaroos left behind by shooters such as yourself. In return I will try to watch Die Hard or a John Wayne Western on how they won the West.

hahaha … you're the most spineless thing i've come across in years.

I consider you spineless for only taking on a Big Red with a rifle - take him on barehanded just as they are and see how brave you are then. Here is the reference for Belinda Green who saves the kangaroos and orphans that you have shot http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/australian-story/NC1701Q034S00#playing. May I ask you how kangaroos rate on your scale of evil as you claim to be the expert on the subject?
 
Alright guys, just take a deep breath. This thread is not about hunting roos' in Australia so stick to the topic or it closes.
 
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I consider you spineless for only taking on a Big Red with a rifle - take him on barehanded just as they are and see how brave you are then. Here is the reference for Belinda Green who saves the kangaroos and orphans that you have shot http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/australian-story/NC1701Q034S00#playing. May I ask you how kangaroos rate on your scale of evil as you claim to be the expert on the subject?

But does evil even exist?
 
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NO they are not - they are just as guilty as ordinary folk - shoot first and ask questions later.

Id be cautious too if my job was to police communities who harbour serial killers and those who will murder others for wearing the wrong colour clothing.

That would be part of that wonderful country your gun toting southern mates formed.

Why are you blaming the people from the south specifically? Love those stereotypes yeah, or maybe your whole knowledge of the country comes from Hollywood?

Been there a few times, but never to Hollywood as it does not interest me, though I saw the sign whilst driving through California. I did however have a look around Compton and the surrounding areas to check out the supposed gang and emerging rap culture. As that trip was not too long after the Rodney King judgement and riots, we also looked at parts of south central to see the area firsthand. My white self and then Eurasian partner never felt threatened in those environments.

A country of beautiful and varied landscape that was progressive, a somewhat financially and taxation balanced society with a reasonably well unionised workforce and finally removing the remnants of apartheid policies a century or so after their civil war. It is no longer that country, even less of a balanced one since I was last there and still sliding, so the fantastic geography struggles against many minuses to entice my return.

Another needless war, followed by a couple of ridiculously political second amendment decisions of the last decade do not help. Nor do a lot of their foreign policies, more recent travel restrictions and security procedures. My own government's narrative is also promoting this environment of fear and that pisses me off just as much, even more so when traveling.
 
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Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

We will never know. Just as we will never know what would have happened if one of the bystanders were themselves armed. Maybe no-one would have died. Who can say.

Was the "mentally ill man" in a mental hospital? Was he living freely in our society even though he was mentally ill?

Who said he was mentally ill? How do they know?

Speculation, speculation. It never ends.

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Medical records col…quite simple really

So, he just walked out of an insane asylum? And armed with a knife. Wow.

You did not address my first sentence.
 
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I consider you spineless for only taking on a Big Red with a rifle - take him on barehanded just as they are and see how brave you are then. Here is the reference for Belinda Green who saves the kangaroos and orphans that you have shot http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/australian-story/NC1701Q034S00#playing. May I ask you how kangaroos rate on your scale of evil as you claim to be the expert on the subject?

But does evil even exist?

You claim to be the expert so you tell me, I was guessing you must consider kangaroos evil otherwise you would not wipe them out. But then you did state the adrenalin hit you get from weapons pulsating in your grasp so am only guessing it could be gratuitous murder.
 
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Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

We will never know. Just as we will never know what would have happened if one of the bystanders were themselves armed. Maybe no-one would have died. Who can say.

Was the "mentally ill man" in a mental hospital? Was he living freely in our society even though he was mentally ill?

Who said he was mentally ill? How do they know?

Speculation, speculation. It never ends.

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Medical records col…quite simple really

**So, he just walked out of an insane asylum? And armed with a knife. Wow.**

You did not address my first sentence.

Youre saying that, not me.

Your first sentence?
The hypothetical…well theres lots of possibilities as to what could have happened, just use your imagination
 
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I consider you spineless for only taking on a Big Red with a rifle - take him on barehanded just as they are and see how brave you are then. Here is the reference for Belinda Green who saves the kangaroos and orphans that you have shot http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/australian-story/NC1701Q034S00#playing. May I ask you how kangaroos rate on your scale of evil as you claim to be the expert on the subject?

But does evil even exist?

You claim to be the expert so you tell me, I was guessing you must consider kangaroos evil otherwise you would not wipe them out. But then you did state the adrenalin hit you get from weapons pulsating in your grasp so am only guessing it could be gratuitous murder.

Thou shalt not kill, or something like that.
 
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You claim to be the expert so you tell me, I was guessing you must consider kangaroos evil otherwise you would not wipe them out. But then you did state the adrenalin hit you get from weapons pulsating in your grasp so am only guessing it could be gratuitous murder.

You think a lot of things. None of which bear semblance to reality.

So stop running away from the question and give a straight answer. You're not fooling anybody.
 
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Thou shalt not kill, or something like that.

The Commandment is 'thou shall not murder'.

'Thou shall not kill' is a mis-translation from the original Hebrew.

Words can be translated differently. I don't speak or read Hebrew but to say "kill" is incorrect seems to be inconsistent with what I've read. It doesn't seem to be a settled matter.
 
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Thou shalt not kill, or something like that.

The Commandment is 'thou shall not murder'.

'Thou shall not kill' is a mis-translation from the original Hebrew.

Words can be translated differently. I don't speak or read Hebrew but to say "kill" is incorrect seems to be inconsistent with what I've read. It doesn't seem to be a settled matter.

It's not settled from the point of view that the Hebrew word "ratsakh" has no direct translation into English. However Jewish commentators point out that when you look at the other places this word is used in the Bible, the context of the word gives credence to the notion of unlawful killing, i.e. "murder". It is never used when describing war-time killing, for example. The word used here is "harag".

There is a significant difference between 'kill' and 'murder', because Thou Shall not Kill implies a complete forbidding of the taking of life, whereas 'murder' is restricted to the unlawful killing of a person.

The common justification is if the Commandment were "kill", then it would imply that war and "eye for an eye" punishment are not permissible, however Jews see both war and capital punishment as permissible (and encouraged by God himself in the Old Testament). And they argue that God cannot break one of his own Commandments, so for the 6th Commandment to be consistent with the faith in general, it must be "Thou shall not murder".
 
He who hath committed manslaughter, breath easy. There is still a place in the kingdom of heaven for you.
 
A few new members on this thread and others with many more posts than I have seen on anything league or sports related. Is this a real discussion of personal opinions, or are there some determined to push their political agenda
 
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A few new members on this thread and others with many more posts than I have seen on anything league or sports related. Is this a real discussion of personal opinions, or are there some determined to push their political agenda

I think its an inherently political topic in many ways, so it will likely be both.
 
People who are really into guns are often highly passionate and illogical. If they were logical and could admit that there are some problems with the gun culture in America then you could actually work out possible solutions.

The problem is that it's close to impossible to be a gun nut and be logical. Simple suggestions like maybe you only need one handgun for self-protection and the rest of your guns could be stored at the local armoury turn into a discussion about how guns aren't designed for killing and they are inherently safer for you than eating an apple each day.
 
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A few new members on this thread and others with many more posts than I have seen on anything league or sports related. Is this a real discussion of personal opinions, or are there some determined to push their political agenda

The second amendment is inherently about as political as anything can be.

There seem to be suggestions that one bears a Stryking resemblance to a Cairns based reincarnated forumer.
 
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