Andrew Fifita

[Citizen_Tiger]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

 

[Geo]

Ah at least we know were the cub gets it….

I like this stat .....of all the players in the NRL Galloway ranks 72nd in average metres gained out of 453.....

Fifita 195th

 

[benjibrotown]

Galloways biggest problem is his speed.. since hes come back from injury he has barely any impact on most runs. On the other hand youve got Fifita who is making impact in both attack and defence and even has the ability to change the momentum in a match. If I had to sign Fifita or Galloway for the next 3 years.. Id take Fifita everyday of the week.

 

[red_dogg]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

interesting read…. i guess what time you come on the paddock doesnt give justice.... look im enjoying watchin fafita's impact off the bench but to compare the two is stupid.... they have different roles, different playing styles, yeah ones more safer then the other and ones more explosive then the other.... but to be honest they both complament each other.... but some of the comments on here towards galloway esp. have been very harsh and immature... i honestly think he busts his arse for the club each time he takes the paddock and to think other wise ur a halfwit. Its been a stupid thread to start anyway.... why not compare either one to the props they come up against each wk

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Ah at least we know were the cub gets it….

I like this stat .....of all the players in the NRL Galloway ranks 72nd in average metres gained out of 453.....

Fifita 195th

Dan Hunt and Json Ryle's coaches must be beside themselves then?

Geo, the past is the past, what's relevant to the performance and progress of the team over the next few weeks may well be Fifita's minutes. He has earned the right for more. His rate of improvement in the basic areas of defence and metres is not only greater than Galloway's, these most recent stats suggest he has surpassed him in terms of average numbers as well.

 

[Geo]

I love them both…

How can you compare they play different rolls...compare them as players and value sure

Galloway Starts the game when everyone is fresh...Fifita has been coming on second change mostly and carving up when the oppostion is ripe for the plucking because of the work laid by the starting pack....

Similar to how they use to use Dave Taylor at the Broncos...

P.S...I rate Jason Ryles...Wests Tigers should have went for him instead of Cayless and Dan Hunt was killing it for the Dragons before he got injured....

 

[Blake93]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

interesting read…. i guess what time you come on the paddock doesnt give justice.... look im enjoying watchin fafita's impact off the bench but to compare the two is stupid.... they have different roles, different playing styles, yeah ones more safer then the other and ones more explosive then the other.... but to be honest they both complament each other.... but some of the comments on here towards galloway esp. have been very harsh and immature... i honestly think he busts his arse for the club each time he takes the paddock and to think other wise ur a halfwit. Its been a stupid thread to start anyway.... why not compare either one to the props they come up against each wk

How is this a stupid thread to start? It's interesting to see how people view each of them and how different people compare them. Has this not been an entertaining and interesting thread? If you want to compare them to other props, do it yourself.

 

[system]

Has this not been an entertaining and interesting thread?


 

[Blake93]

Has this not been an entertaining and interesting thread?


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Exactly

 

[Guest]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

Finally! An attempt at being objective, although I’d suggest checking some of those stats, they’re off. Looking at Galloway and Fifita side by side, there are some positives and negatives to both players. Both players have the ability to bend the line, both players have an offload in their game, both are prone to some poor defensive reads, but then just about every player in the game comes up with a bad read here or there. Galloway was poor in his attempt on Hoffman last weekend, but Fifita doesn’t go unscathed either, with poor reads against the Eels and moreso against Manly where he was hooked after a terrible defensive read. Galloway also has it over Fifita in spades as far as discipline is concerned. Fifita has conceded 12 penalties this season, Galloway 2, a significant difference, and penalties can lead to points.

Galloway is averaging 104 metres per game, Fifita 78, and last weekend he made 117, not the far fetched 177 you mentioned. No argument whatsoever when it comes to tackle breaks, line breaks and tries scored, Fifita is doing an excellent job off the bench in this regard and having the desired impact the team needs. Despite that, Sheens will not play Fifita for 50 minutes, not unless the props drop like flies and there is no alternative, he just doesn’t have the stamina in him yet to play those minutes in FG, next season he should build on this though. The call on Galloway being a significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington is also not really applicable here due to the massive difference in minutes played. Galloway is averaging 48 minutes per match, Heighington almost 74 and Ellis 75\. Fifita is averaging 30 for the record.

Looking at Galloway’s performance from a wider perspective though, (and for the benefit of everyone reading this forum) let’s take a look across all the clubs in terms of how Keith stacks up as far as metres gained compared to other front rowers out there…

Brisbane Broncos – The main props used this year are Nick Kenny (82 metres per game) and Shane Tronc (90 metres per game). Lagi Setu, Ashton Simms and more recently Ben Teo have been used with even less success. In short I wouldn’t swap Galloway for any of these players based on what they are producing for the Broncos.

Canberra Raiders – One of the biggest packs in the comp, but only Shillington (117 metres per game), a Queensland and Australian rep no less, averages more metres than Galloway. Keith has TLL (95 metres per game) and Dane Tilse (102 metres per game) covered.

Canterbury – Chris Armit is averaging 93 metres per game, Ben Hannant 116, no arguments that Hannant makes more ground, but he also plays more minutes averaging 55, enough time for him to make an extra couple of hitups. Ryan Tandy has done well, averaging 102 while Michael Hodgson averages 91.

Cronulla Sharks – Luke Douglas (108 metres per game) and Kade Snowden (115 metres per game) both have a slight edge over Keith here. They both play on average 6 minutes more than Keith.
Gold Coast Titans – Luke Bailey leads the way here with a huge 128 metres per game but Michael Henderson (86 metres per game) and Matthew White (60 metres per game) are below average.

Manly – Jason King (104) and Brent Kite (107) are pretty well even with Galloway here, minutes played is also similar. Josh Perry (83) and George Rose (80), aren’t in the same ballpark as Galloway, although I would argue that Rose is used in a similar fashion to Fifita.

Melbourne Storm – Aiden Tolman (104 metres per game) is on par with Galloway Jeff Lima (93 metres per game) and Brett White (91 metres per game) don’t match Keith despite similar average gametime.

Newcastle – Ben Cross (86 metres per game) and Daniel Tolar (67 metres per game) don’t stack up sorry.

North Queensland – Willie Mason (107) and Matthew Scott (122) both have Keith covered here, Scott as we all know is a Maroon rep while Mason has represented at the highest level.

Parramatta – Only Moi Moi (116) averages more metres than Galloway. Nathan Cayless (104), Tim Mannah (103), and Justin Poore (99) are all thereabouts.

Penrith – Not surprisingly Petero (139) belts Galloway. Tim Grant (116) is also very strong. Matthew Bell (84) and Sam McKendry (74) don’t stack up to Keith.

South Sydney – Sam Burgess (127) has done the job all year in any position in the forward pack. Luke Stuart (115) has also been very strong but is out for the season. Asotasi (99) and Scott Geddes (83) don’t quite match Galloway though based on what they have done this year.

St George Illawarra – As you already mentioned, Dan Hunt (114) has done a good job this year, but he’s also out for the season. Weyman (95), Saffy (80) and more recently Costigan (78) aren’t matching Galloway’s go forward.

Sydney Roosters – Sorry to be a downer but Ryles is averaging 101 metres per game, not quite up there with Keith despite playing an extra couple of minutes. Paea (71) and Nuuausala (76) don’t match Galloway in the go forward department.

Warriors – Ben Matulino (85), Sam Rapira (99) Russell Packer (99) and Jesse Royal (82) don’t quite stack up to Galloway either.

At least you’ve made an effort at pointing out each players’ strengths and weaknesses rather than just point the finger with no hard evidence, but looking across the board at every other club, there are probably 6 front rowers who I would prefer over Galloway. Suffice to say they are all State rep or International players.

But again, as Geo pointed out, Galloway and Fifita are being asked to do two different things. Galloway takes the initial punishment and gets the team on the front foot while Fifita comes on when the starting front rowers are running low on juice and goes his hardest for two 15 minute stints, and yes, he’s making a positive impact, no doubt and no argument from me on that. I would suggest that if Fifita was starting that he would not offer the same impact. I daresay Sheens also knows this and realises that at this early stage of his career, it’s best to bring him off the bench and let him adjust to the rigours of playing first grade.

 

[innsaneink]

Anybody else here getting those tiresome dummy spit PMs from citisen cublet?
I always get them whenever I disagree

As for the thread…well lucky every team needs four or five, (three for us)

 

[Blake93]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

Finally! An attempt at being objective, although I’d suggest checking some of those stats, they’re off. Looking at Galloway and Fifita side by side, there are some positives and negatives to both players. Both players have the ability to bend the line, both players have an offload in their game, both are prone to some poor defensive reads, but then just about every player in the game comes up with a bad read here or there. Galloway was poor in his attempt on Hoffman last weekend, but Fifita doesn’t go unscathed either, with poor reads against the Eels and moreso against Manly where he was hooked after a terrible defensive read. Galloway also has it over Fifita in spades as far as discipline is concerned. Fifita has conceded 12 penalties this season, Galloway 2, a significant difference, and penalties can lead to points.

Galloway is averaging 104 metres per game, Fifita 78, and last weekend he made 117, not the far fetched 177 you mentioned. No argument whatsoever when it comes to tackle breaks, line breaks and tries scored, Fifita is doing an excellent job off the bench in this regard and having the desired impact the team needs. Despite that, Sheens will not play Fifita for 50 minutes, not unless the props drop like flies and there is no alternative, he just doesn’t have the stamina in him yet to play those minutes in FG, next season he should build on this though. The call on Galloway being a significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington is also not really applicable here due to the massive difference in minutes played. Galloway is averaging 48 minutes per match, Heighington almost 74 and Ellis 75\. Fifita is averaging 30 for the record.

Looking at Galloway’s performance from a wider perspective though, (and for the benefit of everyone reading this forum) let’s take a look across all the clubs in terms of how Keith stacks up as far as metres gained compared to other front rowers out there…

Brisbane Broncos – The main props used this year are Nick Kenny (82 metres per game) and Shane Tronc (90 metres per game). Lagi Setu, Ashton Simms and more recently Ben Teo have been used with even less success. In short I wouldn’t swap Galloway for any of these players based on what they are producing for the Broncos.

Canberra Raiders – One of the biggest packs in the comp, but only Shillington (117 metres per game), a Queensland and Australian rep no less, averages more metres than Galloway. Keith has TLL (95 metres per game) and Dane Tilse (102 metres per game) covered.

Canterbury – Chris Armit is averaging 93 metres per game, Ben Hannant 116, no arguments that Hannant makes more ground, but he also plays more minutes averaging 55, enough time for him to make an extra couple of hitups. Ryan Tandy has done well, averaging 102 while Michael Hodgson averages 91.

Cronulla Sharks – Luke Douglas (108 metres per game) and Kade Snowden (115 metres per game) both have a slight edge over Keith here. They both play on average 6 minutes more than Keith.
Gold Coast Titans – Luke Bailey leads the way here with a huge 128 metres per game but Michael Henderson (86 metres per game) and Matthew White (60 metres per game) are below average.

Manly – Jason King (104) and Brent Kite (107) are pretty well even with Galloway here, minutes played is also similar. Josh Perry (83) and George Rose (80), aren’t in the same ballpark as Galloway, although I would argue that Rose is used in a similar fashion to Fifita.

Melbourne Storm – Aiden Tolman (104 metres per game) is on par with Galloway Jeff Lima (93 metres per game) and Brett White (91 metres per game) don’t match Keith despite similar average gametime.

Newcastle – Ben Cross (86 metres per game) and Daniel Tolar (67 metres per game) don’t stack up sorry.

North Queensland – Willie Mason (107) and Matthew Scott (122) both have Keith covered here, Scott as we all know is a Maroon rep while Mason has represented at the highest level.

Parramatta – Only Moi Moi (116) averages more metres than Galloway. Nathan Cayless (104), Tim Mannah (103), and Justin Poore (99) are all thereabouts.

Penrith – Not surprisingly Petero (139) belts Galloway. Tim Grant (116) is also very strong. Matthew Bell (84) and Sam McKendry (74) don’t stack up to Keith.

South Sydney – Sam Burgess (127) has done the job all year in any position in the forward pack. Luke Stuart (115) has also been very strong but is out for the season. Asotasi (99) and Scott Geddes (83) don’t quite match Galloway though based on what they have done this year.

St George Illawarra – As you already mentioned, Dan Hunt (114) has done a good job this year, but he’s also out for the season. Weyman (95), Saffy (80) and more recently Costigan (78) aren’t matching Galloway’s go forward.

Sydney Roosters – Sorry to be a downer but Ryles is averaging 101 metres per game, not quite up there with Keith despite playing an extra couple of minutes. Paea (71) and Nuuausala (76) don’t match Galloway in the go forward department.

Warriors – Ben Matulino (85), Sam Rapira (99) Russell Packer (99) and Jesse Royal (82) don’t quite stack up to Galloway either.

At least you’ve made an effort at pointing out each players’ strengths and weaknesses rather than just point the finger with no hard evidence, but looking across the board at every other club, there are probably 6 front rowers who I would prefer over Galloway. Suffice to say they are all State rep or International players.

But again, as Geo pointed out, Galloway and Fifita are being asked to do two different things. Galloway takes the initial punishment and gets the team on the front foot while Fifita comes on when the starting front rowers are running low on juice and goes his hardest for two 15 minute stints, and yes, he’s making a positive impact, no doubt and no argument from me on that. I would suggest that if Fifita was starting that he would not offer the same impact. I daresay Sheens also knows this and realises that at this early stage of his career, it’s best to bring him off the bench and let him adjust to the rigours of playing first grade.

Geez, nice post! 😱pen_mouth: where do you get your stats from?

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Anybody else here getting those tiresome dummy spit PMs from citisen cublet?
I always get them whenever I disagree

As for the thread…well lucky every team needs four or five, (three for us)

No, but I sense they're tiring of you playing the man and not the ball. Heaven forbid someone might disagree with you, what with all that scary tattoo action going on….......

 

[Alf_Duguid]

Whats this thread about again? There's too many quoting of quotes for me to keep up

 

[Geo]

Whats this thread about again? There's too many quoting of quotes for me to keep up

Galloway V Fifita…so far it's Keith 24 Fifita 18....

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

There seems to be a lot of opinion in this thread based on gut feel or stats that don't quite add up. I think someone suggested that Galloway was there or thereabouts in terms of average metres per game? I wish he was, but that's just not the case. Every team with the exception of Manly, the Warriors and Newcastle have better props in term of that stat. Leaving the premium 'metre eaters' like Thaiday, Shillington and Hannant to one side, even honest old Dan Hunt and the recycled Jason Ryles have better average performance in that area than Keith G.

The point may be that Galloway is some significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington in total and average metres. You could be forgiven for thinking that many of those metres come later in the tackle count, but from my perspective this last Sunday, the back rowers were called upon to do way too much, too early

Galloway has missed 42 tackles in 16 starts, Fifita 30 in 18 starts. That's an interesting one, because more than one poster has suggested, not just in this thread, that Fifita constantly makes errors, either in defence, or in understanding which channel he should be protecting. I do accept that the stat may be coloured by respective minutes played. The reality of Galloway's shortcomings in that area were all too apparent in the Hoffmann try, Sunday. A miserable effort that.

There's not much discussion to be had about line breaks, since Keith hasn't made one this season, whereas Fifita has made either 9 or 10.

In 18 starts Fifita has made 285 tackles, Galloway 343 in 16\. Again, that stat may be better represented by minutes played, which is more relevant than games played.

Fifita's stats were superior on Sunday, no question. Fifita was on the park for 34 minutes, compared to Galloway's 60\. Made 7 tackle breaks, zip to Galloway, the same number of tackles (18),returned 177 metres from 10 runs, compared to Galloway's 142 from 17\. Excellent game from Fifita, should be rewarded with at 50 minutes this week.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with Galloway's progress over a period of five seasons. He is adequate, shows glimpses of intent, yet so often seems to retreat to his default position. While he isn't blessed with inherent ball skills or great athleticism, he is capable, given his size, of fulfilling a similar role to Thaiday, Hannant or Civonoceva. Pace multiplied by body height. Cub referred to his concussion against Souths and you know he was 100% correct. It never would have happened if he hadn't collided with the defenders in such an upright position.

I'm a Fifita fan, think, as does the great man Big Arthur, that he will be a special player. His rate of improvement this year suggests that in spades

Finally! An attempt at being objective, although I’d suggest checking some of those stats, they’re off. Looking at Galloway and Fifita side by side, there are some positives and negatives to both players. Both players have the ability to bend the line, both players have an offload in their game, both are prone to some poor defensive reads, but then just about every player in the game comes up with a bad read here or there. Galloway was poor in his attempt on Hoffman last weekend, but Fifita doesn’t go unscathed either, with poor reads against the Eels and moreso against Manly where he was hooked after a terrible defensive read. Galloway also has it over Fifita in spades as far as discipline is concerned. Fifita has conceded 12 penalties this season, Galloway 2, a significant difference, and penalties can lead to points.

Galloway is averaging 104 metres per game, Fifita 78, and last weekend he made 117, not the far fetched 177 you mentioned. No argument whatsoever when it comes to tackle breaks, line breaks and tries scored, Fifita is doing an excellent job off the bench in this regard and having the desired impact the team needs. Despite that, Sheens will not play Fifita for 50 minutes, not unless the props drop like flies and there is no alternative, he just doesn’t have the stamina in him yet to play those minutes in FG, next season he should build on this though. The call on Galloway being a significant distance behind Ellis and Heighington is also not really applicable here due to the massive difference in minutes played. Galloway is averaging 48 minutes per match, Heighington almost 74 and Ellis 75\. Fifita is averaging 30 for the record.

Looking at Galloway’s performance from a wider perspective though, (and for the benefit of everyone reading this forum) let’s take a look across all the clubs in terms of how Keith stacks up as far as metres gained compared to other front rowers out there…

Brisbane Broncos – The main props used this year are Nick Kenny (82 metres per game) and Shane Tronc (90 metres per game). Lagi Setu, Ashton Simms and more recently Ben Teo have been used with even less success. In short I wouldn’t swap Galloway for any of these players based on what they are producing for the Broncos.

Canberra Raiders – One of the biggest packs in the comp, but only Shillington (117 metres per game), a Queensland and Australian rep no less, averages more metres than Galloway. Keith has TLL (95 metres per game) and Dane Tilse (102 metres per game) covered.

Canterbury – Chris Armit is averaging 93 metres per game, Ben Hannant 116, no arguments that Hannant makes more ground, but he also plays more minutes averaging 55, enough time for him to make an extra couple of hitups. Ryan Tandy has done well, averaging 102 while Michael Hodgson averages 91.

Cronulla Sharks – Luke Douglas (108 metres per game) and Kade Snowden (115 metres per game) both have a slight edge over Keith here. They both play on average 6 minutes more than Keith.
Gold Coast Titans – Luke Bailey leads the way here with a huge 128 metres per game but Michael Henderson (86 metres per game) and Matthew White (60 metres per game) are below average.

Manly – Jason King (104) and Brent Kite (107) are pretty well even with Galloway here, minutes played is also similar. Josh Perry (83) and George Rose (80), aren’t in the same ballpark as Galloway, although I would argue that Rose is used in a similar fashion to Fifita.

Melbourne Storm – Aiden Tolman (104 metres per game) is on par with Galloway Jeff Lima (93 metres per game) and Brett White (91 metres per game) don’t match Keith despite similar average gametime.

Newcastle – Ben Cross (86 metres per game) and Daniel Tolar (67 metres per game) don’t stack up sorry.

North Queensland – Willie Mason (107) and Matthew Scott (122) both have Keith covered here, Scott as we all know is a Maroon rep while Mason has represented at the highest level.

Parramatta – Only Moi Moi (116) averages more metres than Galloway. Nathan Cayless (104), Tim Mannah (103), and Justin Poore (99) are all thereabouts.

Penrith – Not surprisingly Petero (139) belts Galloway. Tim Grant (116) is also very strong. Matthew Bell (84) and Sam McKendry (74) don’t stack up to Keith.

South Sydney – Sam Burgess (127) has done the job all year in any position in the forward pack. Luke Stuart (115) has also been very strong but is out for the season. Asotasi (99) and Scott Geddes (83) don’t quite match Galloway though based on what they have done this year.

St George Illawarra – As you already mentioned, Dan Hunt (114) has done a good job this year, but he’s also out for the season. Weyman (95), Saffy (80) and more recently Costigan (78) aren’t matching Galloway’s go forward.

Sydney Roosters – Sorry to be a downer but Ryles is averaging 101 metres per game, not quite up there with Keith despite playing an extra couple of minutes. Paea (71) and Nuuausala (76) don’t match Galloway in the go forward department.

Warriors – Ben Matulino (85), Sam Rapira (99) Russell Packer (99) and Jesse Royal (82) don’t quite stack up to Galloway either.

At least you’ve made an effort at pointing out each players’ strengths and weaknesses rather than just point the finger with no hard evidence, but looking across the board at every other club, there are probably 6 front rowers who I would prefer over Galloway. Suffice to say they are all State rep or International players.

But again, as Geo pointed out, Galloway and Fifita are being asked to do two different things. Galloway takes the initial punishment and gets the team on the front foot while Fifita comes on when the starting front rowers are running low on juice and goes his hardest for two 15 minute stints, and yes, he’s making a positive impact, no doubt and no argument from me on that. I would suggest that if Fifita was starting that he would not offer the same impact. I daresay Sheens also knows this and realises that at this early stage of his career, it’s best to bring him off the bench and let him adjust to the rigours of playing first grade.

Sorry that 177 was a genuine typo (should have been 117), not an attempt to embellish Fifita's stats :slight_smile: Look, there seems to be any number of sites throwing up stats and the one thing they have in common is their inconsistency. I've got Ryles at 118 and Hunt at 110\. The reality is that we probably should not have been drawn into a comparison of these two players, it's self defeating

 

[innsaneink]

Whats this thread about again? There's too many quoting of quotes for me to keep up

Its about far fetched stats fabrication

Tsk tsk…

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Whats this thread about again? There's too many quoting of quotes for me to keep up

Its about far fetched stats fabrication

Tsk tsk…

Do you have anything to contribute to this thread?

 

[Geo]

Sorry that 177 was a genuine typo (should have been 117), not an attempt to embellish Fifita's stats :slight_smile: Look, there seems to be any number of sites throwing up stats and the one thing they have in common is their inconsistency. I've got Ryles at 118 and Hunt at 110\. The reality is that we probably should not have been drawn into a comparison of these two players, it's self defeating

No…you can compare...nothing wrong with that..It's a good thread shows how different people view the games and our players....What I don't understand is the need to hack Galloway or any Wests Tigers player really because you do not rate them as a player...Everyone is entitled to their opinion that's fine and not everyone will agree...Does that opinion have to be expressed like this to get a point across....

Postby citizen cub » August 19th, 2010, 7:05 pm
Don't even want the bloke, even old Skando's doing better ATM. Did anybody pick up on why Galloway got dumped on his head? Bad body height, and when your lumbering at such a slow pace your easy to tackle, I'm glad the Souffs player wasn't penalised. The filth he served up against Cronulla is still fresh in my mind.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Galloway might have seen this post , against Storm he was nearly back to his best days.
Fifita is a good young players but he has to watch his discipline otherwise Refs will make his life a hell
Recently Fifita is reminding me of Gibbs with those penalties he is giving away.

Both Fifita and Galloway are good players for the team and im not going to chose instead i will make Fitzy sit out so we can have both in one team at the same time .