Annesley response - judiciary inconsistency

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Annesley responds to claims of judiciary inconsistency
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Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Thu 22 Apr 2021, 04:53 PM

NRL head of football Graham Annesley has responded to claims of judiciary inconsistency by explaining how prior offences greatly contributed to Latrell Mitchell's controversial four-match suspension.

Annesley also clarified the difference between a free substitution for a victim of foul play and the new 18th man interchange rule.

South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett and Channel Nine's Phil Gould criticised the judicial process after Mitchell failed to have a grade-two dangerous contact (head/neck) charge downgraded on Tuesday night.

Bennett suggested the judiciary was influenced by the media focus on Mitchell's hit on Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma and branded the length of his ban "so unfair", according to a Fairfax report.

The Rabbitohs fullback, who was leading the Dally M Medal count on 13 votes but is now ineligible for the best-and-fairest award, was hoping to miss one match with a successful downgrade.

"Most of the [negative] comments seem to focus on the penalty of four matches," Annesley told NRL.com.

"The only reason that it's four matches is because Latrell had two prior [non-similar] offences in the last two years. The system is designed to take harsher action against players with poor records.

Mitchell placed on report for contact on NofoalumaMitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
Mitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
"If he hadn't had those prior offences, he could've got out of that with two weeks. It's not necessarily the system that has given the four-week outcome - it's the prior offences that have compounded the initial penalty."

Twenty percent loading is applied if an offending player has committed a non-similar offence in the past two years. That increases to 50 percent for similar offences.

In Mitchell's case, his two non-similar offences resulted in 20 percent loading being applied twice – bumping his penalty up from a base charge of 300 points (three games) for grade-two dangerous contact to the head/neck to 420 points (four games and 20 carryover points).

If he didn't have those prior offences and took an early guilty plea - which entitles the player to a 25 percent discount in demerit points - Mitchell would only be missing two matches.


"People can say that the compounding factor is wrong - that's obviously a matter of opinion - but that's been the basis of the system now for probably the last 20 years," Annesley said.

"That's the way it was designed - to provide a disincentive for players getting repeatedly charged for incidents. And, of course, we'll review things at the end of the year as we always do."

Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Annesley added that consistency from the match review committee and the judiciary "relates purely to grading" of charges.

"It doesn't relate to outcome because outcome is a calculation based on other factors like prior offences, for example," he continued.

"What the match review committee have to do is make sure that all Grade 1s as much as possible, are similar, all Grade 2s, as much as possible, are similar, and Grade 3s are similar. They don't look at the final outcome … That just becomes an automatic outcome.

"I'm happy the system worked the way it was intended to work in terms of the calculation of the penalty. And I obviously support the match review committee doing everything they can to protect players from contact with the head and neck.

"They will continue to take a hard-line approach to unnecessary contact to the head and neck.

"Do they always pick up every incident and do they always grade it correctly? Well, that's for individuals to form their own opinion. But I'm not going to suggest they get everything 100 percent right because I disagree with their opinion from time to time as well."
 
On NRL 360 last night every panellist concurred that Mitchell was hard done by in respect to the length of the penalty - Even back door Benny agreed that "in his day" nothing would have happened as far as a penalty was concerned! All those so called media experts blabbed about how it ruined Mitchell's chances at the Dally M Award! Latrell becomes "The Victim" see how it works folks? Not one mentioned the two Garner incidents which were just as damning as the elbow to Nofo's head! One rule for the Millionaires and one rule for the Fibros! Nothing has changed!
 
I won't unnecessarily attack him like I feel some on here do, but as for the penalty, well, they chose to roll the dice and came up snake eyes.

Edit; Penalty is deserved, though still doesn't change that WT likely win if he was reasonably penalised for his indiscretion during the match.
 
@formerguest said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343583) said:
I won't unnecessarily attack him like I feel some on here do, but as for the penalty, well, they chose to roll the dice and came up snake eyes.

Edit; Penalty is deserved, though still doesn't change that WT likely win if he was reasonably penalised for his indiscretion during the match.

Mitchell's desperation tackle around Nofo's was illegal and dangerous. Mitchell didn't appear to have any remorse and he should have been sent off straight away,
 
@leichhardttiger said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343582) said:
On NRL 360 last night every panellist concurred that Mitchell was hard done by in respect to the length of the penalty - Even back door Benny agreed that "in his day" nothing would have happened as far as a penalty was concerned! All those so called media experts blabbed about how it ruined Mitchell's chances at the Dally M Award! Latrell becomes "The Victim" see how it works folks? Not one mentioned the two Garner incidents which were just as damning as the elbow to Nofo's head! One rule for the Millionaires and one rule for the Fibros! Nothing has changed!


Benny's comments were what one would expect, saying there would probably be a square on in the next scrum, I thought Ikin was Ok with the decision too.

Hooper read out some rubbish presented at the hearing how Latrell couldn't pull out of the tackle, also how could Radley get downgraded it was just as bad or worse.

Maybe I'm biased but the tackle was late, Latrell had plenty of time to pull out. I also thought the Radley tackle was more a reflex action and not a lot of power behind it. Latrell intentionally attacked the head of another player, 4 weeks is fair, probably could have got a little extra as I thought he got away with too little for the kick on Garner.
 
Bennett was not happy with the decision so it must have been right.Maybe he should realise the competition is not all about him,he has had too many years sitting in Brisbane thinking he is god
 
It really needs to be emphasised that the 4 weeks is for his poor record. At lot of people are carrying on saying it’s not fair but if he was a cleanskin everyone would be cool with it. The tackle isn’t a 4 week tackle, the tackle and his previous poor discipline are the reason it’s 4 weeks. Mitchell is the poster boy of the moment so of course there is added media attention. Bennett can’t complain about having too much media attention and on the other hand want to have a roster full of star players.
 
@newtown said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343581) said:
Annesley responds to claims of judiciary inconsistency
Author
Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Thu 22 Apr 2021, 04:53 PM

NRL head of football Graham Annesley has responded to claims of judiciary inconsistency by explaining how prior offences greatly contributed to Latrell Mitchell's controversial four-match suspension.

Annesley also clarified the difference between a free substitution for a victim of foul play and the new 18th man interchange rule.

South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett and Channel Nine's Phil Gould criticised the judicial process after Mitchell failed to have a grade-two dangerous contact (head/neck) charge downgraded on Tuesday night.

Bennett suggested the judiciary was influenced by the media focus on Mitchell's hit on Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma and branded the length of his ban "so unfair", according to a Fairfax report.

The Rabbitohs fullback, who was leading the Dally M Medal count on 13 votes but is now ineligible for the best-and-fairest award, was hoping to miss one match with a successful downgrade.

"Most of the [negative] comments seem to focus on the penalty of four matches," Annesley told NRL.com.

"The only reason that it's four matches is because Latrell had two prior [non-similar] offences in the last two years. The system is designed to take harsher action against players with poor records.

Mitchell placed on report for contact on NofoalumaMitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
Mitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
"If he hadn't had those prior offences, he could've got out of that with two weeks. It's not necessarily the system that has given the four-week outcome - it's the prior offences that have compounded the initial penalty."

Twenty percent loading is applied if an offending player has committed a non-similar offence in the past two years. That increases to 50 percent for similar offences.

In Mitchell's case, his two non-similar offences resulted in 20 percent loading being applied twice – bumping his penalty up from a base charge of 300 points (three games) for grade-two dangerous contact to the head/neck to 420 points (four games and 20 carryover points).

If he didn't have those prior offences and took an early guilty plea - which entitles the player to a 25 percent discount in demerit points - Mitchell would only be missing two matches.


"People can say that the compounding factor is wrong - that's obviously a matter of opinion - but that's been the basis of the system now for probably the last 20 years," Annesley said.

"That's the way it was designed - to provide a disincentive for players getting repeatedly charged for incidents. And, of course, we'll review things at the end of the year as we always do."

Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Annesley added that consistency from the match review committee and the judiciary "relates purely to grading" of charges.

"It doesn't relate to outcome because outcome is a calculation based on other factors like prior offences, for example," he continued.

"What the match review committee have to do is make sure that all Grade 1s as much as possible, are similar, all Grade 2s, as much as possible, are similar, and Grade 3s are similar. They don't look at the final outcome … That just becomes an automatic outcome.

"I'm happy the system worked the way it was intended to work in terms of the calculation of the penalty. And I obviously support the match review committee doing everything they can to protect players from contact with the head and neck.

"They will continue to take a hard-line approach to unnecessary contact to the head and neck.

"Do they always pick up every incident and do they always grade it correctly? Well, that's for individuals to form their own opinion. But I'm not going to suggest they get everything 100 percent right because I disagree with their opinion from time to time as well."


And conveniently, no mention that the Wests Tigers did NOT receive even a penalty on field for the indiscretion.
 
Mitchell is an arrogant grub who thinks he is above the laws of the game. He’s obviously a poster boy & the media love him so they continue to conveniently ignore his antics. Anyone remember when he kicked Reynolds in the head last year? And didn’t Reynolds get sent to the bin? Ridiculous.

I love a tough game as much as anyone but for those who think he was hard done by, do they really think his actions are in the spirit of the game?

Really wish Talau belted him (legally) when he had the chance to.
 
Pot meet kettle

Bennett suggested the judiciary was influenced by the media focus on Mitchell’s hit on Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma and branded the length of his ban “so unfair”, according to a Fairfax report.
 
Yet no mention by anyone that the tigers didn’t receive a single penalty for any of the infringements.

Didn’t get sin binned for the high shot, no eight point try and no penalty for the kick out.
 
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343596) said:
Mitchell is an arrogant grub who thinks he is above the laws of the game. He’s obviously a poster boy & the media love him so they continue to conveniently ignore his antics. Anyone remember when he kicked Reynolds in the head last year? And didn’t Reynolds get sent to the bin? Ridiculous.

I love a tough game as much as anyone but for those who think he was hard done by, do they really think his actions are in the spirit of the game?

Really wish Talau belted him (legally) when he had the chance to.

Mitchell and Walker are the two biggest whingers, and two of the biggest heads in the game. In the old days we called them LAIRS, Souths are full of them, starting with their coach. I hope every side kicks their butt.
 
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343603) said:
Yet no mention by anyone that the tigers didn’t receive a single penalty for any of the infringements.

Didn’t get sin binned for the high shot, no eight point try and no penalty for the kick out.

Geez you would be lucky to get an eight point try for the contact on Garner.
 
@bathursttiger1 said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343605) said:
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343603) said:
Yet no mention by anyone that the tigers didn’t receive a single penalty for any of the infringements.

Didn’t get sin binned for the high shot, no eight point try and no penalty for the kick out.

Geez you would be lucky to get an eight point try for the contact on Garner.

Didn’t he get finned for it?
 
Favouritism alive and well.

I enjoyed how the Roosters saw their player was up at the judiciary before Micthell, so deliberately used a Mitchell high tackle in the past as part of their 'evidence'. This reminded the panel of Mitchell's history of doing this, and very very likely affected the mindset of the panel in ensuring he got a strong penalty.

And they got their own guy off as well. How good did they go.

With Mitchell, unfortunately all this media kissing of his butt will just reinforce the evident self belief that he was justified in his actions, and you can bet he will continue to play with grubby tactics in his game.
 
@sleeve said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343604) said:
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343596) said:
Mitchell is an arrogant grub who thinks he is above the laws of the game. He’s obviously a poster boy & the media love him so they continue to conveniently ignore his antics. Anyone remember when he kicked Reynolds in the head last year? And didn’t Reynolds get sent to the bin? Ridiculous.

I love a tough game as much as anyone but for those who think he was hard done by, do they really think his actions are in the spirit of the game?

Really wish Talau belted him (legally) when he had the chance to.

Mitchell and Walker are the two biggest whingers, and two of the biggest heads in the game. In the old days we called them LAIRS, Souths are full of them, starting with their coach. I hope every side kicks their butt.


Ah the old days. I wonder how Mitchell would’ve coped then.
 
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343615) said:
@sleeve said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343604) said:
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343596) said:
Mitchell is an arrogant grub who thinks he is above the laws of the game. He’s obviously a poster boy & the media love him so they continue to conveniently ignore his antics. Anyone remember when he kicked Reynolds in the head last year? And didn’t Reynolds get sent to the bin? Ridiculous.

I love a tough game as much as anyone but for those who think he was hard done by, do they really think his actions are in the spirit of the game?

Really wish Talau belted him (legally) when he had the chance to.

Mitchell and Walker are the two biggest whingers, and two of the biggest heads in the game. In the old days we called them LAIRS, Souths are full of them, starting with their coach. I hope every side kicks their butt.


Ah the old days. I wonder how Mitchell would’ve coped then.

He’d have probably gone ok
I reckon he could throw a few

Walker would’ve got his head smacked in
 
@newtown said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343581) said:
Annesley responds to claims of judiciary inconsistency
Author
Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Thu 22 Apr 2021, 04:53 PM

NRL head of football Graham Annesley has responded to claims of judiciary inconsistency by explaining how prior offences greatly contributed to Latrell Mitchell's controversial four-match suspension.

Annesley also clarified the difference between a free substitution for a victim of foul play and the new 18th man interchange rule.

South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett and Channel Nine's Phil Gould criticised the judicial process after Mitchell failed to have a grade-two dangerous contact (head/neck) charge downgraded on Tuesday night.

Bennett suggested the judiciary was influenced by the media focus on Mitchell's hit on Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma and branded the length of his ban "so unfair", according to a Fairfax report.

The Rabbitohs fullback, who was leading the Dally M Medal count on 13 votes but is now ineligible for the best-and-fairest award, was hoping to miss one match with a successful downgrade.

"Most of the [negative] comments seem to focus on the penalty of four matches," Annesley told NRL.com.

"The only reason that it's four matches is because Latrell had two prior [non-similar] offences in the last two years. The system is designed to take harsher action against players with poor records.

Mitchell placed on report for contact on NofoalumaMitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
Mitchell placed on report for contact on Nofoaluma
"If he hadn't had those prior offences, he could've got out of that with two weeks. It's not necessarily the system that has given the four-week outcome - it's the prior offences that have compounded the initial penalty."

Twenty percent loading is applied if an offending player has committed a non-similar offence in the past two years. That increases to 50 percent for similar offences.

In Mitchell's case, his two non-similar offences resulted in 20 percent loading being applied twice – bumping his penalty up from a base charge of 300 points (three games) for grade-two dangerous contact to the head/neck to 420 points (four games and 20 carryover points).

If he didn't have those prior offences and took an early guilty plea - which entitles the player to a 25 percent discount in demerit points - Mitchell would only be missing two matches.


"People can say that the compounding factor is wrong - that's obviously a matter of opinion - but that's been the basis of the system now for probably the last 20 years," Annesley said.

"That's the way it was designed - to provide a disincentive for players getting repeatedly charged for incidents. And, of course, we'll review things at the end of the year as we always do."

Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Graham Annesley weekly football briefing - Round 6
Annesley added that consistency from the match review committee and the judiciary "relates purely to grading" of charges.

"It doesn't relate to outcome because outcome is a calculation based on other factors like prior offences, for example," he continued.

"What the match review committee have to do is make sure that all Grade 1s as much as possible, are similar, all Grade 2s, as much as possible, are similar, and Grade 3s are similar. They don't look at the final outcome … That just becomes an automatic outcome.

"I'm happy the system worked the way it was intended to work in terms of the calculation of the penalty. And I obviously support the match review committee doing everything they can to protect players from contact with the head and neck.

"They will continue to take a hard-line approach to unnecessary contact to the head and neck.

"Do they always pick up every incident and do they always grade it correctly? Well, that's for individuals to form their own opinion. But I'm not going to suggest they get everything 100 percent right because I disagree with their opinion from time to time as well."


Annesley just said Mitchell was penalised harshly because he's a grub
 
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343607) said:
@bathursttiger1 said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343605) said:
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343603) said:
Yet no mention by anyone that the tigers didn’t receive a single penalty for any of the infringements.

Didn’t get sin binned for the high shot, no eight point try and no penalty for the kick out.

Geez you would be lucky to get an eight point try for the contact on Garner.

Didn’t he get finned for it?

Shark or Dolphin?
 
@mike said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343620) said:
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343607) said:
@bathursttiger1 said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343605) said:
@tcl said in [Annesley response \- judiciary inconsistency](/post/1343603) said:
Yet no mention by anyone that the tigers didn’t receive a single penalty for any of the infringements.

Didn’t get sin binned for the high shot, no eight point try and no penalty for the kick out.

Geez you would be lucky to get an eight point try for the contact on Garner.

Didn’t he get finned for it?

Shark or Dolphin?

Definitely shark!

Should read before hitting submit
 
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