Another terrorist attack in France

[cktiger]

It's conspiracy theories like these that hold us back. Searching for anything to blame anyone but the people planting bombs or running people down with trucks. Do you seriously think ISIL are looking internally and thinking maybe they are the problem? That's why they have had success. Our democracy has grown weak because were actively trying to find to blame ourselves.

Agreed, there is no way 2 towers just fall from the sky. So many engineers also saying it was impossible as well. I don't buy it either. **Never in all human history have buildings fallen from somethnig hitting it**

Buildings have been falling over from something hitting them since they were first built.
Never heard of a battering ram or catapult…or tanks or bombs ?

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's conspiracy theories like these that hold us back. Searching for anything to blame anyone but the people planting bombs or running people down with trucks. Do you seriously think ISIL are looking internally and thinking maybe they are the problem? That's why they have had success. Our democracy has grown weak because were actively trying to find to blame ourselves.

Agreed, there is no way 2 towers just fall from the sky. So many engineers also saying it was impossible as well. I don't buy it either. **Never in all human history have buildings fallen from somethnig hitting it**

Buildings have been falling over from something hitting them since they were first built.
Never heard of a battering ram or catapult…or tanks or bombs ?

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

 

[hammertime]

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

You seem just like the type the mass media loves.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

Insurance claim? :roll

I tend to use curtains and blinds on my windows and have some foil sided moisture barrier insulation in the roof, but maybe you can give me some pointers on where to get tin foil as I've never seen the product.

I too have a youngster, being a son that is in Kindly. He often comes home beaming about how he plays plays soldiers with his classmates and the girls are the enemy. Two of the other boys are Muslim, do you think we as parents should be worried?

 

[hammertime]

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

You seem just like the type the mass media loves.

:unamused:

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

You seem just like the type the mass media loves.

:unamused:

Honest question.

Do you believe everything you read and see on TV?

 

[newtiger]

Going back to Vietnam War days I wondered how a nation can bomb another nation and not expect payback on their own vulnerable citizens. These terrorists attacks are due to France being involved in bombing against ISIS. We may despise ISIS grossly but they are a result of Western policy failure in the invasion of Iraq and the Western powers drawing up the boundaries after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WW1\. I never felt comfortable with so many nations bombing populated Syria and Iraq knowing that many ordinary citizens will be sure to be killed and infrastructure destroyed. Seemed completely wrong a George W Bush type of response.

It's a wonder that you didn't go back a bit further in time and blame Moses (Not Mitch) for these terrorist attacks.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Going back to Vietnam War days I wondered how a nation can bomb another nation and not expect payback on their own vulnerable citizens. These terrorists attacks are due to France being involved in bombing against ISIS. We may despise ISIS grossly but they are a result of Western policy failure in the invasion of Iraq and the Western powers drawing up the boundaries after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WW1\. I never felt comfortable with so many nations bombing populated Syria and Iraq knowing that many ordinary citizens will be sure to be killed and infrastructure destroyed. Seemed completely wrong a George W Bush type of response.

It's a wonder that you didn't go back a bit further in time and blame Moses (Not Mitch) for these terrorist attacks.

Sorry I did let the team behind there. I can go back to Joshua Longest Day when God on behalf of the ancient Hebrews made the sun stand still so the massacre/genocide against the Canaanites could continue. With God on Israel's side how can anyone else hope to win. So Israel's justification for possessing Palestine today is based is a massacre that occurred 3,000 years ago. I was only going back about 30 years re Afghanistan - only one hundredth the timeframe that Israel gets away with. How Israel gets land rights for massacres I am still trying to get my mind around.

 

[hammertime]

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

You seem just like the type the mass media loves.

:unamused:

Honest question.

Do you believe everything you read and see on TV?

oh that was a question?
I don't. But I do not believe in conspiracy theories that would involve far reaching collaboration. There is too much good in the world. Reporters usually go into tv for purist reasons and so do a lot of people in govt.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

oh that was a question?
I don't. But I do not believe in conspiracy theories that would involve far reaching collaboration. There is too much good in the world. Reporters usually go into tv for purist reasons and so do a lot of people in govt.

It isn't about conspiracy theories if you think the media have an agenda. You replied to my first comment with an eye rolling smile, yet in the next post agreed with me somewhat. Not saying all media have agenda's, but the majority of the mainstream cannot be trusted. And before you roll your eyes again, it's because these are the organisations that attempt to abduct children in foreign countries and claim that Australia should close it's borders to Muslims.

I've never heard anyone in my life claim that there are purist people in Government. I assume you mean politicians. Can you name one?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The media are pushing agendas, and when they're not doing that, they're chasing ambulances.

 

[hammertime]

oh that was a question?
I don't. But I do not believe in conspiracy theories that would involve far reaching collaboration. There is too much good in the world. Reporters usually go into tv for purist reasons and so do a lot of people in govt.

It isn't about conspiracy theories if you think the media have an agenda. You replied to my first comment with an eye rolling smile, yet in the next post agreed with me somewhat. Not saying all media have agenda's, but the majority of the mainstream cannot be trusted. And before you roll your eyes again, it's because these are the organisations that attempt to abduct children in foreign countries and claim that Australia should close it's borders to Muslims.

I've never heard anyone in my life claim that there are purist people in Government. I assume you mean politicians. Can you name one?

Sure, they'll have an agenda. Rupert wants certain parties in govt that make him money. Extremley far stretch to say that political bias translates into hiding facts about mass murder, which is what we were talking about here.

That's why I put in the eye roll. You're twisted the original topic of a conspiracy for bringing down twin towers with fox news bloating it's staff with Republicans.

Lets get back on topic.

 

[Abraham]

I am too busy to check out but I presume from my highlighted sentence that France were involved before being attacked - at a minimal was your qualification. I don't agree with your conclusion that any country with a Muslim population will be a target. UK, USA and Australia were all contributors to violence in the M/E over the past decade so of course they may be targets when they go in on dubious grounds and without United Nation permission. Control of oil was the ultimate goal.

The Sunnis were backed into a corner in Iraq so their mates across boundaries got involved. The situation was far from perfect before the Western invasions that left the area the worse ever with no endgame to recommend.

France was responsible for the deaths hundreds of thousands during the Algerian War of Independence. Funny/strange that after that war France took in tens of thousands of Algerian refugees who probably fought with them but now descendants of those refugees are now playing up. Seems like what goes round comes round.

The West would have been better staying out of the whole area going back to backing terrorists in Afghanistan decades ago - nothing turned out peaches and cream.

I would ask you to take a closer look at salafist prinicples to understand why these people are doing this.

Your not even close to the mark if you think its simply the result of Americans bombing Iraq or Afghanistan, or Western influence in the Mid East.

 

[Yossarian]

It's conspiracy theories like these that hold us back. Searching for anything to blame anyone but the people planting bombs or running people down with trucks. Do you seriously think ISIL are looking internally and thinking maybe they are the problem? That's why they have had success. Our democracy has grown weak because were actively trying to find to blame ourselves.

Agreed, there is no way 2 towers just fall from the sky. So many engineers also saying it was impossible as well. I don't buy it either. **Never in all human history have buildings fallen from somethnig hitting it**

Buildings have been falling over from something hitting them since they were first built.
Never heard of a battering ram or catapult…or tanks or bombs ?

Maybe, but it was quite odd that the steel framed tower structures pancaked so well, and even stranger that the adjacent reinforced concrete building did the same despite there being no reports of tanks in the area.

No plane to be seen in any Pentagon footage and the lack of any evidence of any plane fragments is another matter altogether. But then again, those Rolls Royce motors aren't very big and easy to overlook things like wings, tail or the fuselage.

Right… Well for starters there is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. In any case the absence of evidence isn't proof of an alternative thesis.

It's not odd at all. The sheer heat generated by the fire was simply greater than the frame could handle. Obviously the designers didn't foresee the need for the frame to withstand that amount of heat. There are more engineers who subscribe to this explanation than don't.

I note that this aspect of the conspiracy places weight on the supposed absence of planes at the Pentagon while ignoring the numerous eye witness and camera footage of the WTC attacks.

The evidence is fairly clear. A plot to fly planes into targets caused the damage in 9/11.

 

[Abraham]

Oh come on man, that's seriously what you beleive? That the powers that be organised a bunch of terrorists to ram a plane into a building while simultaniously detonating other explosions just to finish the job. For an insurance claim? Sheesh.

I really hope that tin foil on your windows is keeping the microwaves out and the salad bowl on your head is stopping the FBI listening into your conversations.

I admit to being a it of a conspiracy theorist, and have heard all the conflicting arguments about 9/11 and what really happened.

But I think if 9/11 was really an insdie job, then isn't it akin to kicking an own-goal?

Killing thousands of your own people and taking an ego hit like the US took, when they could just have easily organised another country to be attacked in the same fashion, and have the US ride in like heroes in the night to save the day and still go on to attack Osama and Saddam on the exact same pretext. Just seems strange to me.

But then again, finding the hijacker's passport in the aftermath … gee that's not fishy at all. The heat of the explosion was supposedly so intense that it melted the steel structure, yet paper and cardboard survives unscathed???

Honestly, the man in the street has no hope of understanding what happened or why.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

In the absence of Noel Kelly, Artie Beetson, Kasiano, Jonah Lomu and Martin Taupau attacking it simultaneously I will believe in the aeroplanes.

 

[Tigerdave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

 

[tsjonathan]

Wasn't the Gulf of Tonkin fabricated? Serious question. And in regard to 9/11 hoesntly i'm not sure how building 7 collapsed? It wasn't hit by anything? Anyway, I really don't understand how a building falls when nothing happened to it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Right… Well for starters there is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. In any case the absence of evidence isn't proof of an alternative thesis.

It's not odd at all. The sheer heat generated by the fire was simply greater than the frame could handle. Obviously the designers didn't foresee the need for the frame to withstand that amount of heat. There are more engineers who subscribe to this explanation than don't.

I note that this aspect of the conspiracy places weight on the supposed absence of planes at the Pentagon while ignoring the numerous eye witness and camera footage of the WTC attacks.

The evidence is fairly clear. A plot to fly planes into targets caused the damage in 9/11.

Don't want to argue Yoss, so please read my post again and particularly the first word, which is "Maybe". I happened to see the first sketchy report on CNN that night (then into the wee hours switching stations) and even before it was mentioned in later reports and any aircraft footage shown, I said to my housemate that judging by the damage shape it looks like a plane hit it, so I have no doubt that aircraft were indeed involved,

Can you please direct me to the footage you have seen or know of that shows anything resembling a plane approaching or hitting the Pentagon, so that I can put it out of my head, as my lack of seeing any such footage, along with the damage at it's supposed impact location has bugged me since that time.

As for construction, I have studied and regularly work with practising engineers in design and construction, with occasional demolition works to same as well. As such I am reasonably aware of the failure points of those elements and thus I stated that it was odd for both towers to pancake and collapse so uniformly, rather than the sections above the damage level to at least partially topple due to the uneven spead of initial structural damage and subsequent heat related failings of the frame. Not impossible, but one would get massive odds if on it actually occurring.

The adjacent building falling, well that is another matter altogether.