Anyone heard Moltzen moving on.

@Vicious said:
5/8`s & Fullbacks play a very similar role these days, only difference being one is in the front line when defending & the other is at the back & responsible for taking the high ball and for kick returns.
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Shame Moltzen doesn't take responsibility for taking the high ball or for kick returns.
 
I think Moltzen is a great player

I think his best position is 5/8 followed by halfback

Unfortunatly at the Tigers he is the number 2 five eight and number 2 half back (I like Miller but seriously 1 full game where he was haflback in first grade and we lost to a horrible team and couldn't score points)

Moltzen is currently struggling with his return from injury with his confidence

Moltzen as a fullback is in the ball player mode - we have big wingers and so Moltzens job is to let them make the kick returns a lot of the time - although he should run harder but as a fullback lots don't (although Beau did) he is struggling under the high ball but his confidence is down and he doesn't have much experience at fullback yet but that will get better - he takes the ball well just his confidence to attack it at the moment. His defence for a fullback is fine (all fullbacks miss tackles its a hard place to defend as the player coming at you has all the momentum and space even Hodgo from a % perspective missed a lot of tackles)

He will get better at fullback but if I was Moltzen i would be looking for a club where I could play half or 5/8 especially as this is when he will really shine and for mine he could be a origin player at 5/8
 
he wont move on before his contract ends - look at the circumstances.

he's been with the tigers through and through. - The tigers supported him through a season long injury, they won't just "let him go" early after showing him that kind of commitment - a la warriors with McKinnon. The club obviously has plans for him whether we agree or not.

He is also Benji Marshall's roommate - take of that what you will, but the guys live together, which would make it even harder for him to be moving on.

I agree with most of you, as an enthusiastic supporter I believe (and have always believed) he should be our 14 and when he goes out on the field, rather than resigning himself to the role of a centre, etc, should be taking the line on at every oppurtunity.

With Farah, Lui, and Marshall, and with impact forwards such as fifita and dwyer, and serial off-loaders such as Payten and Utai, Moltzen should be sniffing around the ruck looking for an offload, or running across field looking to put the likes of Ellis and Galloway into a hole.

Jesus, ive just re-read that last few lines, and am SALIVATING at the prospects.
 
@Vicious said:
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@supercoach said:
You dont just hit the ground running after a knee job,it can take a year to get your confidence back. Give him a break for a while. From the teams point of view it would be brillant if he did turn into a top line no1.

Really supercoach? do you really think Moltzen could turn into a top No.1?

Well you said it so you must believe it's a possibility.

I don't, he will make a top 5/8 if given the chance.

5/8`s & Fullbacks play a very similar role these days, only difference being one is in the front line when defending & the other is at the back & responsible for taking the high ball and for kick returns.

Darren Lockyer - originally a 5/8, made his name as a fullback & returned to 5/8 later in his career.
Kurt Gidley - originally a 5/8, has played a few seasons as a fullback & has now returned to 5/8.
Todd Carney - originally a 5/8, Brian Smith played him at fullback & he played real well, but has since returned to 5/8.
Darius Boyd - originally a fullback, played plenty of wing & centre at the Broncos & has now established himself as a top class fullback at the Dragons. Has played a couple of games at 5/8 and Wayne Bennett has stated he will make a great 5/8 in the near future.
Willie Zillman - originally a 5/8, came into first grade as a fullback at Canberra, has played mostly fullback at the Gold Coast, but is now starting to live up to his potential since moving back to 5/8.
Ben Barba - originally a 5/8, the Bulldogs have moved him to fullback mainly to get him out of the front line in defence and to let him pop up wherever he likes. Currently in scintillating form with the Bulldogs & the sky is the limit for him.
Matt Bowen - originally a 5/8, moved to fullback early in his career at the Cowboys for similar reasons as to why the Bulldogs have moved Ben Barba to fullback.
Anthony Minichiello - originally a winger, moved to fullback after a couple of seasons on the wing, he has only played a couple of games at 5/8 but handled it quite well.
Billy Slater - always been a fullback, but plays the game very similar to how Darren Lockyer played when he was the worlds best fullback. Craig Bellamy has stated that the fullbacks & 5/8`s now play a very similar role, so will be no surprise if Billy Slater moved to 5/8 later in his career.
Presto Campbell - originally a halfback & moved in between 5/8 & fullback most of his career.
Lance Hohaia - originally a halfback, but switched between 5/8 & fullback for most of his career to date. Reported to be moving back to halfback for his new English club next season.
Jarryd Hayne - originally a fullback & has only played a few games at 5/8 which didn`t prove overly successful at the time, but it`s rumoured that coach Steve Kearney is planning on moving Hayne back to 5/8 fulltime from the start of next season.
Ben Hornby - originally a fullback, has played the latter half of his career as a halfback, but has also played his fair share of games at 5/8.
Gareth Widdop - originally a fullback - is making a great fist of playing 5/8 for the Storm despite fullback being his natural position.
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**Logical fallacy -**

just because Lockyer moved from fullback to 5/8 does not equal Moltzen move from 5/8 to fullback or any other player from one position to another.

**Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. - Vicious, we can try for the next 2 years, like we did with Morris for 3\. You never know, it might work out, on the other hand we could waste our time, for both parties.
 
My philosphy regarding the fullback position is that it is a specialist position.

Some players have the fullback's game and skills but can also handle other spots - Lockyer for example, to a degree Tim Brasher is another, he was an excellent fullback that more than adequately could cover wing and center and had a bit of success at five-eight.

Moltzen is not a specialist fullback and I cant see him developing those skills in the near future.

I am a fan of his but playing him at fullback is a big mistake!
 
@Vicious said:
Willie Zillman - originally a 5/8, came into first grade as a fullback at Canberra, has played mostly fullback at the Gold Coast, but is now starting to live up to his potential since moving back to 5/8.
Ben Barba - originally a 5/8, the Bulldogs have moved him to fullback mainly to get him out of the front line in defence and to let him pop up wherever he likes. Currently in scintillating form with the Bulldogs & the sky is the limit for him.
Matt Bowen - originally a 5/8, moved to fullback early in his career at the Cowboys for similar reasons as to why the Bulldogs have moved Ben Barba to fullback.
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Presto Campbell - originally a halfback & moved in between 5/8 & fullback most of his career.
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just to nit pick

barba played all his juniors at fullback, was only moved to 5/8 in nyc

zillman switched between halfback and fullback all through juniors, i cant recall him ever playing 5/8 before 1st grade

bowen was always a fullback

campbell was always a fullback/winger until he got to the sharks
 
@fergiefurr said:
@Vicious said:
Willie Zillman - originally a 5/8, came into first grade as a fullback at Canberra, has played mostly fullback at the Gold Coast, but is now starting to live up to his potential since moving back to 5/8.
Ben Barba - originally a 5/8, the Bulldogs have moved him to fullback mainly to get him out of the front line in defence and to let him pop up wherever he likes. Currently in scintillating form with the Bulldogs & the sky is the limit for him.
Matt Bowen - originally a 5/8, moved to fullback early in his career at the Cowboys for similar reasons as to why the Bulldogs have moved Ben Barba to fullback.
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Presto Campbell - originally a halfback & moved in between 5/8 & fullback most of his career.

just to nit pick

barba played all his juniors at fullback, was only moved to 5/8 in nyc

zillman switched between halfback and fullback all through juniors, i cant recall him ever playing 5/8 before 1st grade

bowen was always a fullback

campbell was always a fullback/winger until he got to the sharks
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You are wrong, sorry to say Fergie. I`m not 100% certain about Barba, but I do know the Bulldogs recruited him as a 5/8 and I do know he played the vast majority of his football at 5/8 in the lower grades for the Bulldogs. I know for a fact that Zillman played mainly 5/8 in the lower grades for the Raiders, my best mate & my brother in law are both Raiders fans and I watched Zillman play quite a bit before he even made first grade. I also know for certain that Matt Bowen was predominately a 5/8, he started off playing first grade at 5/8 and was only moved to fullback as they were worried about his defence in the front line. Campbell was a halfback, but has played plenty of 5/8 & fullback.

The point of the matter is that a modern day fullback needs plenty of pace & ball skill as they play like a 2nd 5/8\. I realise they also have to be able to catch a high ball, but I can tell you that most on the above list I provided struggled with the high ball in the early stages of being moved to fullback, but as good player do they quickly become confident under the high ball.
Kurt Gidley for one was very shaky under the high ball for his first few games at fullback, now he is as safe as a bank under the high ball.
 
Preston Campbell was a Fullback who made his debut for the Charges on the Wing. It was only until he moved to the Sharks under John Lang and made plenty of impact off the bench, that the experiment of Halfback became real… John Lang has had an obssession for years, well before his ARL Coaching Days, of turning little men into Halfbacks to exploit the ruck.

He shopped around Robbie O'Davis for 2 years trying to get him a gig as a Halfback in a NSWRL Team, before Robbie's Father agreed to terms with Newcastle. lol... John Lang told Robbie it will be the biggest mistake of his career and he will never reach his potential with Newcastle. 😕
 
He shopped around Robbie O'Davis for 2 years trying to get him a gig as a Halfback in a NSWRL Team, before Robbie's Father agreed to terms with Newcastle. lol… John Lang told Robbie it will be the biggest mistake of his career and he will never reach his potential with Newcastle. 😕
not to mention the 22 match suspension for steriod use :roll
 
@spudoakes said:
He shopped around Robbie O'Davis for 2 years trying to get him a gig as a Halfback in a NSWRL Team, before Robbie's Father agreed to terms with Newcastle. lol… John Lang told Robbie it will be the biggest mistake of his career and he will never reach his potential with Newcastle. 😕
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not to mention the 22 match suspension for steriod use :roll
Yeah forgot about that . Talking about that mentioned in a thread previously about being at Wests vs Crushers game (Crushers last game) and they had Clinton Schitkofscke at fullback who had just came back from his ban . Gave him a mouthful about how he should never be allowed to return,to the game etc only to be informed his parents were sitting 2 rows behind me . Gee didn't they give it to me when Crushers belted us . Moral of story be careful what you say because you never know who will be around listening
 
The knights might be rading a few players we should be worried 😢
 
We can't keep everyone so if Moltzen wants to play 5/8 at another club I think we should allow him to go.

We need a goal kicker full back and an aggressive prop. Moltzen is none of these.

I can not believe we did not throw Michael Gordon big money to join us. Great goal kicker and always plays well when given a chance at full back. Better than our current options.

Adam Blair is a must. Aggression and experience. We need Blair to assist Galloway and Ellis breaking the line to set up our outside backs.
 
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