Article in the Australian - WT Salary Cap Problems

[goldcoast_tiger]

Frankly,and im probably on my own here,by coming out in public and declaring WT as a "basket case" for the next 3 years is not particularly astute.
Not only wld it deter fringe(ie cheap) players who we may have been able to buy,but it truly demotivates our better players (tapua)and gives them no incentive wotsover to stick around.Totally self fulfilling.Downward spiral to accelerate.
My personal jury on NRLs fly-in Board members is still well and truly out tbh-all weve seen so far is a public rant on why clubs" need more women on Boards"(with HQ hand up their back),another public rant on journanlist info sourcing(best to have left alone rather than elevate issue awareness)..and now this(and with The Australian. of all media.?)
What I am looking for from this Board is a strategy to deal with the problems inherited or otherwise,rather than just a hand wringing exercise.

You are not on your own.
My post earlier in this thread, is along the same lines. I dont think that she has helped the club much at all, and agree that she had portrayed the club as a basket case now, and for God knows how long. . We may be that, but I agree that some tact should have been used so that we don't have an exodus of the players that we need to keep.
You can't help but think that there's some sort of agenda being set up.

 

[stevetiger]

Frankly,and im probably on my own here,by coming out in public and declaring WT as a "basket case" for the next 3 years is not particularly astute.
Not only wld it deter fringe(ie cheap) players who we may have been able to buy,but it truly demotivates our better players (tapua)and gives them no incentive wotsover to stick around.Totally self fulfilling.Downward spiral to accelerate.
My personal jury on NRLs fly-in Board members is still well and truly out tbh-all weve seen so far is a public rant on why clubs" need more women on Boards"(with HQ hand up their back),another public rant on journanlist info sourcing(best to have left alone rather than elevate issue awareness)..and now this(and with The Australian. of all media.?)
What I am looking for from this Board is a strategy to deal with the problems inherited or otherwise,rather than just a hand wringing exercise.

You are not on your own.
My post earlier in this thread, is along the same lines. I dont think that she has helped the club much at all, and agree that she had portrayed the club as a basket case now, and for God knows how long. . We may be that, but I agree that some tact should have been used so that we don't have an exodus of the players that we need to keep.
You can't help but think that there's some sort of agenda being set up.

I don't like this approach either and you can't get away with it for too long. At some point its your problem and there isn't anyone else to blame.

 

[snowleopard]

Don't forget takarangi

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Yes , I think that this latest statement poses a lot of questions and not many answers that make sense.

Only one's of those we're still paying for would be Blair and Brown. BMM slight chance. We never even signed Takaraingi…

The names you're looking for are most likely Farah, Lawrence, Galloway, Moltzen, Woods, Tedesco, Brooks, Moses.

It's not WHO we're paying out that's the problem, it's WHEN we're paying out that's the problem! Who knows maybe Farah was on comparative peanuts for a year or two but on 1.5 million for the next 2 seasons. Or Woodsy on 200k one year and 800k the next which blocks up the cap in the future when multiple players are paid well over a season's regular salary at the same time.

That's (hopefully) an over-exaggeration of the scenario we're facing.

I believe that is the exact situation we are facing.

Reading between the lines I would agree and think this explains why we will have no $ for new players until 2017\. If this is the case then we can't off load any of the players mentioned without paying a big part of their cost for another club to pick them up and is the reason JT has had no option but to continue to select B grade players in the hope that they will develop in 2015 and better fill the gaps in 2016/17 . The other issue must now be 2nd tier cap so there are limits on players we can promote and further restrict monies in 2016.

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[snowleopard]

The other thing I find disturbing is why Go chose to publish her thoughts in The Australian , a paper that few if any league followers would read. Seems the pressure is getting to her and as Chair that is not a good sign.

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[boonboon]

The other thing I find disturbing is why Go chose to publish her thoughts in The Australian , a paper that few if any league followers would read. Seems the pressure is getting to her and as Chair that is not a good sign.

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Firstly - I am a League supporter, tigers supporter and read the Australian. It has league news every day
Secondly and more importantly her husband works for The Australian - so she would know and trust the people at the paper so it makes sense

However feel free to go clutching at straws to work in with your conspiracy theories

 

[Tigermama]

Well, people have been screaming for more transparency and now that we have it, some don't want to accept it. Facts are facts and if some of us don't like them I can understand that they won't put their membership money on the line for this period and that's a decision we all make each year. For many members, a winning team is the main priority; others have different reasons for being a member and know that we won't be competitive for some time.

For myself, I'll stick solid, as I have done for about 55 years now and I've seen worse times (and better!). We are all in possession of the facts which can be publicly disclosed and I think the hysteria should stop now; just decide whether you want to give the club this three years…..or not.

I think everyone on here will stick solid with our club. No question about it. Because once you tasted WT, your hooked for life. :sign:

Hey mama thats what the girls say about TT,once they have had a taste,they just want more… :stuck_out_tongue:

LOL..Sometimes TT, you just have to Toot your own Horn…. :wink:

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Idk what incentive any player would have to play with us ATM, not only to sign with us, but re-sign as well. Even Mr 2041\. The club is extremely lucky that he come off contract when he did, cos there's no way he'd have stayed now. What a career killer for an Origin player. The only incentive any player has playing for us ATM is cos they are looking for a chance. Austin and Taupau are examples. Austin moved on, and the smart money would be on Taupau not sticking around either. We need him a hell of a lot more than he needs us. And to think there are people who think we aren't a bigger basket case than Parra. When Parra get themselves into such a state that they can't enter the player market for 3 yrs then maybe they might have an argument.

 

[Geo]

Yeah… Para just get fined 500K with the threat of losing Comp points next year hanging over their heads....they are awesome...

 

[TrueTiger]

Yeah… Para just get fined 500K with the threat of losing Comp points next year hanging over their heads....they are awesome...

Sandow wants to join SL club Warrington….Parra won't give him a release....I don't blame him for wanting to get away from that joint....

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Yeah… Para just get fined 500K with the threat of losing Comp points next year hanging over their heads....they are awesome...

Who said they were awesome?

 

[Shaneandmaddy]

I have a friend on the Parramatta Board, yes they may be a basket case, but they have huge amounts of cash at their disposal a growing membership base, huge junior nursery and a hugely successful licensed club (top 5 in gaming revenue in Australia).
For all the issues at the eels, at this stage their future is a lot brighter then our Tigers

 

[balmain boy]

Ikin and Kent just discussed this very issue on NRL 360.
They pretty much came up with the conclusion we are screwed for the next 3 years.

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You realise they're coming to the same deluded conclusions as many people on here - that we won't be signing anyone for 3 years, which is crap.

So we have a few backended contracts. We can't do anything about that now except wait them out or try and move them on early (and most likely still pay a chunk of the contract). It depends how backended the contracts are. As i said before hopefully it's not a ridiculous amount like 1.5 mil under the cap in any particular season for someone like Robbie or Woodsy.

We simply don't have enough players contracted until 2017 for this to be such an issue that we'll never be able to buy anyone in that time.

Especially if we suddenly can start using TPA's (hello Harry :slight_smile: ), then we'll be able to tap into the magic market that the other clubs have access too, and sign/re-sign key players partially outside the cap!

 

[jirskyr]

Idk what incentive any player would have to play with us ATM, not only to sign with us, but re-sign as well. Even Mr 2041\. The club is extremely lucky that he come off contract when he did, cos there's no way he'd have stayed now. What a career killer for an Origin player. The only incentive any player has playing for us ATM is cos they are looking for a chance. Austin and Taupau are examples. Austin moved on, and the smart money would be on Taupau not sticking around either. We need him a hell of a lot more than he needs us. And to think there are people who think we aren't a bigger basket case than Parra. When Parra get themselves into such a state that they can't enter the player market for 3 yrs then maybe they might have an argument.

Nonsense, pure nonsense.

As if players leave clubs just because they don't win enough. If you can get an opportunity and the right money, you will play almost anywhere. Our salary cap may have not been well managed, but it still amounts to a lot of money to share around, and we'll always have some players on very handsome salaries.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Idk what incentive any player would have to play with us ATM, not only to sign with us, but re-sign as well. Even Mr 2041\. The club is extremely lucky that he come off contract when he did, cos there's no way he'd have stayed now. What a career killer for an Origin player. The only incentive any player has playing for us ATM is cos they are looking for a chance. Austin and Taupau are examples. Austin moved on, and the smart money would be on Taupau not sticking around either. We need him a hell of a lot more than he needs us. And to think there are people who think we aren't a bigger basket case than Parra. When Parra get themselves into such a state that they can't enter the player market for 3 yrs then maybe they might have an argument.

Nonsense, pure nonsense.

As if players leave clubs just because they don't win enough. If you can get an opportunity and the right money, you will play almost anywhere. Our salary cap may have not been well managed, but it still amounts to a lot of money to share around, and we'll always have some players on very handsome salaries.

Haha you think results don't matter to players? Is that why teams like Parra and the Raiders in recent seasons have attempted to go on spending sprees with millions and ended up attracting no one?

 

[BornBlack_amp_Gold]

Yeah… Para just get fined 500K with the threat of losing Comp points next year hanging over their heads....they are awesome...

But they will pay that fine and be sweet. We will still be in this current predicament. Unable to sign players, unable to re-sign players on competitive contracts and falling further and further behind the opposition.

 

[Curaeus]

Aren't a lot of our young blokes (Brooks, Moses, Teddy) only be signed to 2017\. If Ms Go is right and whatever mess we're in is going to take 3 years to sort out, we will more than likely lose all of these kids plus the likes of Taupau, Simona et al. Which young player is going to hang around copping weekly floggings when they could be earning bigger bucks elsewhere in a stronger (winning) team? I really hope we can pull through this but it would be good to know the magnitude of the alleged cap issues and what we're doing to address them.

 

[Curaeus]

Zero Tackle reckons the following WT players are all off contract end of 2017-Luke Brooks, Robbie Farah, Asipeli Fine, Dallas Graham, Watson Heleta, Matthew Lodge, Mitchell Moses, Kevin Naiqama, David Nofoaluma, Tim Simona, Curtis Sironen, James Tedesco, Aaron Woods

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Aren't a lot of our young blokes (Brooks, Moses, Teddy) only be signed to 2017\. If Ms Go is right and whatever mess we're in is going to take 3 years to sort out, we will more than likely lose all of these kids plus the likes of Taupau, Simona et al. Which young player is going to hang around copping weekly floggings when they could be earning bigger bucks elsewhere in a stronger (winning) team? I really hope we can pull through this but it would be good to know the magnitude of the alleged cap issues and what we're doing to address them.

It's debatable as s to whether Our halves would get more money elsewhere. It sounds like they were on good money , as other clubs were interested.
After seeing their underwhelming season so far, I doubt that other clubs would want to throw around the same money that they would've last year. It's more the players like Woods, Tedescoand Taupau , that will be targets. I hope we don't lose them, but who could blame then
If they did the term superstar gets thrown around way too much . But these three actually are .

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Our young halves as a pair would be worth every cent of what we paid to retain them. Simply we have not see the best of them even at this young age due to a combination of the style of football they are being asked to play and the lack of experience around them.

 

[Newtown]

Zero Tackle reckons the following WT players are all off contract end of 2017-Luke Brooks, Robbie Farah, Asipeli Fine, Dallas Graham, Watson Heleta, Matthew Lodge, Mitchell Moses, Kevin Naiqama, David Nofoaluma, Tim Simona, Curtis Sironen, James Tedesco, Aaron Woods

If that's the case then why is Marina Go saying that at will take at least until the beginning 2019 for the CAP mess cleared up?

It is likely that many in the above list are on very large back ended contracts. Farah, who would likely be on the biggest WT contract would be past his prime by 2017 at which time his contract must be terminated. Lawrence who is not mentioned on the above list would be another who must go by 2017\. At least another three on the above list would also go by 2017 due to poor form injury. Surely this would clear the CAP significantly by 2017 or am I dreaming.

In reality there are other financial problems which are not being mentioned. For example how much debt is the club in due to the defunct Balmain Leagues. How much has out of court agreed payments to an ex-coach affected WT finances.