Ashes 2009

@Allan Towle said:
Somtimes blokes on the boundry are there for numerous reasons. I'm quick to move blokes out as quick boundries can destrory a bowlers confidence. Thats what Piertersen tries to do. With a bloke on the fence you can tell him to keep trying and you now have protection. If the bloke is arrogant there is a real chance for a catch too. It could be the blokes get-out/release shot when under pressure too and taking that out of the equasion builds pressure. When your out of ideas as a captain as well, you go into damage control and limit the boundries untill something shows itself.

The bloke at deep square for Prior could have been that or a double bluff for the yorker. He plays most things in the air I believe. The fact the ball lobs there is one of those things that just happens. Same as when you move a player, and the ball goes in the air just where you moved him from.

Yeh I understand what you mean but I'm a believer in backing your bowlers, building pressure, and trying to get wickets like that. That doesnt mean you have to stack the slips, but even just cutting off the singles and having a ring type field to build some pressure.

If a batsman is good enough, and has the temperament, which they should at Test level, then i think they should be able to milk the bowling, pick up the singles, plus get the odd boundary even with fieldsmen on the fence.
 
178 run lead - 35 overs left - 2 overs for change of innings

=

179 run target from 33 overs = 5.45 runs per over if we were to declare now.

I think we're safe now. :smiley:
 
@Allan Towle said:
Waugh could have stayed but it was the right time for him to go.

Anyone who says Ponting is a poor captain doesn't know too much about cricket. He has followed a few greats in regards to captaincy so the chances of him living up to it were remote. He has one every trophy around and is the country's most prolific run-scorer in test cricket. When his gone, you will regret him not being there.

This test should fizzle out to a draw. No risks needed. Just stay 1-0 down with 2 to go.

He isn't a good captain though. For one, he uses his influence as captain to push the players he likes (Siddle,Watson,Hilfenhaus) over the players he doesn't (Clark and Bollinger) ignoring ability and going for the people who are more like him.

He gets too negative too quickly in the field with some of his placings and ultimately, he seems to really be incapable of summing up a situation, hoping it will just take care of itself.

As a player he is simply one of the best bats I've ever seen, but that doesn't make him a good leader. Not every captain can be like Steve Waugh, he was just a natural born leader of men, but Steve Waugh was always on the level with everybody and let them know where they were. Ricky Ponting only ever comes out in support of his boys, and Ponting and the selectors have created a real culture of uncertainty in recent times.
 
Ponting is a brilliant batsman, but not the best captain. I think he lacks the tactics that some previous captains have had, in terms of field placements and bowling changes. Some of the decisions he has made in the last year or so really leave you scratching your head.
 
@Juro said:
Ponting is a brilliant batsman, but not the best captain. I think he lacks the tactics that some previous captains have had, in terms of field placements and bowling changes. Some of the decisions he has made in the last year or so really leave you scratching your head.

I still cant get over that final test in India with him using the part timers! :question:
 
I just read this on cricinfo:

Australia stand to lose substantially more than their aura over the next month. **An Ashes series defeat would precipitate a stunning fall from grace by relegating Ricky Ponting's men to fourth place on the ICC Test ladder behind South Africa, Sri Lanka and India. A drawn series will place them second after Graeme Smith's men.**

Either rain or England could seal Australia's demise in the coming weeks. The tourists require victory at both Headingley and The Oval to retain their No. 1 Test ranking, but a bleak weather forecast for Yorkshire could greatly reduce their chances of forcing a result in the fourth Test.

Not since 2003, when South Africa held the ICC Test mace for a four-month period, have Australia occupied a place anywhere other than the pinnacle of Test cricket. South Africa made clear their intentions to recapture the No. 1 ranking when they defeated Australia in a Test series for the first time in 16 years last summer, but Australia's stirring riposte on South African soil provided them with a degree of breathing room.

Australia have won just five of their past 14 Tests, three of which were against the South Africans, and their inability to register a victory in the first three Tests of the Ashes series has drawn Smith's side to within two points of the top ranking. Mickey Arthur, who so very nearly engineered Australia's overthrow earlier this year, was adamant his side was worthy of recognition as the world's premier Test side, even if rain proves the deciding factor.

"I have been following the rankings a little bit, and I don't think we would be out of place at all (with the No. 1 ranking) if that was to happen," Arthur told Cricinfo. "We have played some very solid cricket over the past 18 months. We defeated England, Australia and Pakistan away, and we are certainly proud of that. But whatever happens, I think what is clear is that there is very little now between us, Australia, India and even England. That's healthy for the game."

Arthur has been underwhelmed by Australia's performances over the course of the Ashes, having previously predicted them to comfortably account for England. The South African coach queried the move to overlook the dependable Stuart Clark for the first three Tests of the series, and expressed surprise at Australia's general inability to combat pressurised situations.

Like Andrew Strauss, Arthur feels the Australians have lost their aura, but warned England against underestimating them in the final two Tests of the Ashes series.

"I do agree with Andrew in that the Australians have looked susceptible when placed under pressure," Arthur said. "With Australian sides of old, you could try and place all the pressure in the world on them and they would come through it unscathed more often than not. This younger side has shown the odd crack in those situations, and we saw that when we won many of the big moments when we played them in Australia. The aura has gone a little bit.

"Their bowling attack has disappointed me. I'm not surprised that they have tried to stick with the fast bowlers who did the job in South Africa, but I was at the move not to play Clark, especially with (Mitchell) Johnson and (Peter) Siddle leaking runs. They have needed someone to do that holding job, and Watson looks a little undercooked to me to be doing that. It wouldn't surprise me if they had a big think about it going into the last few Tests."

In other ranking developments, Michael Clarke has risen two places to third spot among Test batsmen following consecutive Ashes centuries, while Ricky Ponting has slid to ninth.

The only change in the Test bowling top-ten was Stuart Clark's slip to No. 5, with Makahya Ntini taking the fourth spot. Mitchell Johnson, despite his struggles in England, remains the third ranked Test bowler, and second in the all-rounder category.

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How could we fall behind Sri Lanka!!! Its almost as bad as the Fifa rating system!
 
@Jazza said:
I just read this on cricinfo:

Australia stand to lose substantially more than their aura over the next month. **An Ashes series defeat would precipitate a stunning fall from grace by relegating Ricky Ponting's men to fourth place on the ICC Test ladder behind South Africa, Sri Lanka and India. A drawn series will place them second after Graeme Smith's men.**

Either rain or England could seal Australia's demise in the coming weeks. The tourists require victory at both Headingley and The Oval to retain their No. 1 Test ranking, but a bleak weather forecast for Yorkshire could greatly reduce their chances of forcing a result in the fourth Test.

Not since 2003, when South Africa held the ICC Test mace for a four-month period, have Australia occupied a place anywhere other than the pinnacle of Test cricket. South Africa made clear their intentions to recapture the No. 1 ranking when they defeated Australia in a Test series for the first time in 16 years last summer, but Australia's stirring riposte on South African soil provided them with a degree of breathing room.

Australia have won just five of their past 14 Tests, three of which were against the South Africans, and their inability to register a victory in the first three Tests of the Ashes series has drawn Smith's side to within two points of the top ranking. Mickey Arthur, who so very nearly engineered Australia's overthrow earlier this year, was adamant his side was worthy of recognition as the world's premier Test side, even if rain proves the deciding factor.

"I have been following the rankings a little bit, and I don't think we would be out of place at all (with the No. 1 ranking) if that was to happen," Arthur told Cricinfo. "We have played some very solid cricket over the past 18 months. We defeated England, Australia and Pakistan away, and we are certainly proud of that. But whatever happens, I think what is clear is that there is very little now between us, Australia, India and even England. That's healthy for the game."

Arthur has been underwhelmed by Australia's performances over the course of the Ashes, having previously predicted them to comfortably account for England. The South African coach queried the move to overlook the dependable Stuart Clark for the first three Tests of the series, and expressed surprise at Australia's general inability to combat pressurised situations.

Like Andrew Strauss, Arthur feels the Australians have lost their aura, but warned England against underestimating them in the final two Tests of the Ashes series.

"I do agree with Andrew in that the Australians have looked susceptible when placed under pressure," Arthur said. "With Australian sides of old, you could try and place all the pressure in the world on them and they would come through it unscathed more often than not. This younger side has shown the odd crack in those situations, and we saw that when we won many of the big moments when we played them in Australia. The aura has gone a little bit.

"Their bowling attack has disappointed me. I'm not surprised that they have tried to stick with the fast bowlers who did the job in South Africa, but I was at the move not to play Clark, especially with (Mitchell) Johnson and (Peter) Siddle leaking runs. They have needed someone to do that holding job, and Watson looks a little undercooked to me to be doing that. It wouldn't surprise me if they had a big think about it going into the last few Tests."

In other ranking developments, Michael Clarke has risen two places to third spot among Test batsmen following consecutive Ashes centuries, while Ricky Ponting has slid to ninth.

The only change in the Test bowling top-ten was Stuart Clark's slip to No. 5, with Makahya Ntini taking the fourth spot. Mitchell Johnson, despite his struggles in England, remains the third ranked Test bowler, and second in the all-rounder category.

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How could we fall behind Sri Lanka!!! Its almost as bad as the Fifa rating system!

If the selectors continue to persist with picking who they like, as opposed to who is good, I see nothing but darkness for a while yet.
 
I read an article in the telegraph about the English supporters going over the top in booing Ponting. Does anyone have firsthand experience of how bad they are? Are they worse than the Australian supporters, against England, or say against Murali? Just wondering…
 
@Juro said:
I read an article in the telegraph about the English supporters going over the top in booing Ponting. Does anyone have firsthand experience of how bad they are? Are they worse than the Australian supporters, against England, or say against Murali? Just wondering…

They're actually amongst the best fans. Like us the boo certain players, but there's no malicious abuse like you see in India or South Africa.

I'd be cheering Ponting if I was a pom though, he's practically handing them the Ashes.
 
Ive never been to England but from what ive seen, they seem like a good bunch of fans with some friendly banter.

Indian fans seem to take things to seriously and take banter the wrong way and retaliate in the wrong way i guess you could say.
 
Australia have started positively after losing the toss. England are 2/22\. We just need Richie to call it for us…
 
Yeah. Good start so far. 2-38 at 1st drink break at 14 overs. In saying that Strauss should have been out 1st ball though lucky for us little damage.

England will need some luck this time. Flintoff for Harminson means a long tale. Its even more of a tale when their keeper has an issue with his back and they still play him.
 
sheens moonlights as an aus. cricket selector.
at least they've finally got Clarke in there.
Johnson's also bowling a lot better than early in the series.
 
England 6/72 at lunch. Hope Australia don't falter and knock them all over today.
 
8 for 98 now…Will they make a century......It's not the Wicket either....The Poms have fallen to pieces.....C'mon Aussie C'mon..

Hussey better score some runs....
 
Im liking this so far:

1/131

Ponting 74*
Watson 49*

lead by 27 and enjoying the resigned tone in the pommy commentators voices :smiley:
 
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