Aussie kids in Syria

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't believe we'll need to worry about them returning anyway.

They have slim to bugger all chance getting out of ISIS controlled territory in one piece, the Australian Government will likely do what their bare minimum obligations are (i.e. likely maintain contact with their embassy in Damacus regarding any information about the children and their parents,) they'll not likely risk putting military lives or assets at risk to get them out of a hostile area and primarily, the kids need to want to leave in the first place.

 

[bp_tiger]

Let's remember this thread is about children who haven't made a conscious decision about anything…. Some seem to be forgetting that

It appears that the @##$$% Father of this family may still be alive, if that's the case there's no confirmation that their Mother is no longer among the living but yes allow Granny Nettleton the opportunity to repatriate the Grand Children before they to believe in Jihad!.

do u live in a vacum, the grandmother helped take them overseas, she should be in goal.

 

[Abraham]

You know you'd do a lot better if you read what was posted and stopped creating arguments for your own benefit. At the moment it just serves to highlight your ignorance. You clearly do not understand what I am saying or choose to ignore it.

She's not going to get 25 years gaol assuming she is still alive. She'd probably not serve time at all. The children wouldn't.

Now about embassies. You are combining three different arguments into one and shifting between them as it suits. I'm not talking about how easy it is to leave Raqqa. You are. I'm replying to your suggestion she'd obtain a fraudulent passport. That's not going to assist you in leaving IS controlled territory. Yes she can turn up to an embassy. This is just a fact. I'm not debating the ease or otherwise of doing so just that obtaining a false passport offers little or nothing.

I understand how a forum works. Possibly you might want to revisit your replies to those who disagree with you. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with everything I say. I've been on the contrary side of enough discussions to realise that.

Who mentioned the government getting ideas from thisforum? It was you who made the argument that people shouldn't agree to the repatriation of this family if they didn't want to live next door to them as if that was a reasonable test of whether to allow citizens to return. I've pondered it and fight it to be an unreasonable consideration in such matters.

So it's gonna be one of 'those' types if discussions, is it?

Calling someone ignorant - Check!
Claiming someone doesn't read posts- Check!,
Claiming someone doesn't know facts - Check!

All the while not bothering yourself to read properly the point I have made.

Yep, its one of 'those' posts.

Have yourself a good afternoon now!
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Stimulating.

 

[Guest]

Cut it out guys or the thread closes.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Well what was that Sharouff guy famous for - for knocking off heads. It shows that for about 3 thousand years that religion has kept people barbaric and backwards and they take stupid books literally.

The same goes for the name Joshua, the Biblical genocider Joshua was the first Hitler recorded that I have read of, yet it one of the most popular names in Australia etc. - I consider such names an insult to the victims that suffered under them. How about if Hitler was our popular name, what an insult - nothing different in my view.

Seems as though you're also guilty of taking religious books literally.

And to throw all religions into the same basket is about as smart as saying all white people are serial killers, because of Jeffrey Dahmer.

If you don’t understand the Old Testament, that’s fine, just say so and maybe someone will help you understand it. But to identify meaning without context is the play of the bigot (or the ignorant).

It is a book written 4,000 years ago, set in a very different world, and slanted to an audience of illiterate desert Jews, in an ancient language. It is a collection of stories aimed at setting a platform for people to understand and appreciate what was to come.

It is not meant to be taken as a literal reading of historical events, to be measured up against current day norms and values, in modern English, devoid of understanding the context in which it was written.

Your comments show that you’re no different than the people who believe the world was created in 6 x 24hr blocks, and that Noah lived to be 500 years old. Different faces of the same coin.

No wonder you have such a warped view of it. But that’s what happens when you have preconceived ideas about something and don’t take the time to understand it, or challenge what you were taught.

If you want to PM then go for it, but this isn’t a thread to bash or be taught about the Christian religion.

Well Abe, you personalised it by asking whether would we like them living next to us. Frankly, it would not worry me having them next door, I have real posh neighbours, a dose of Here Come the Habibs would bring them back down to earth a bit.

As that Sharrouf family is only young I would grasp the opportunity to show them that love out does hate and that society can be a positive experience.

I brought religion into it because dysfunctional elements in the texts are still taken literally and will be forever taken as such by some, so we will forever be having these problems. And throughout the Middle East all the abrahamic religions cause havoc, I was not picking on Christianity.

If I, an atheist, have misconceived it then it is not really harming anyone.

The Sharroufs are only one little piece of the big picture and if we don't also address the big picture we are almost achieving nothing.

(Willow this was composed a.m. but too busy to complete - don't want to waste)

 

[Yossarian]

You know you'd do a lot better if you read what was posted and stopped creating arguments for your own benefit. At the moment it just serves to highlight your ignorance. You clearly do not understand what I am saying or choose to ignore it.

She's not going to get 25 years gaol assuming she is still alive. She'd probably not serve time at all. The children wouldn't.

Now about embassies. You are combining three different arguments into one and shifting between them as it suits. I'm not talking about how easy it is to leave Raqqa. You are. I'm replying to your suggestion she'd obtain a fraudulent passport. That's not going to assist you in leaving IS controlled territory. Yes she can turn up to an embassy. This is just a fact. I'm not debating the ease or otherwise of doing so just that obtaining a false passport offers little or nothing.

I understand how a forum works. Possibly you might want to revisit your replies to those who disagree with you. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with everything I say. I've been on the contrary side of enough discussions to realise that.

Who mentioned the government getting ideas from thisforum? It was you who made the argument that people shouldn't agree to the repatriation of this family if they didn't want to live next door to them as if that was a reasonable test of whether to allow citizens to return. I've pondered it and fight it to be an unreasonable consideration in such matters.

So it's gonna be one of 'those' types if discussions, is it?

Calling someone ignorant - Check!
Claiming someone doesn't read posts- Check!,
Claiming someone doesn't know facts - Check!

All the while not bothering yourself to read properly the point I have made.

Yep, its one of 'those' posts.

Have yourself a good afternoon now!
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Stimulating.

Well others can judge how you've conducted yourself. You clearly have no interest in actually discussing the issue rationally. Now you've been called out on it and you're shutting down. I believe I've responded to all your points but please if there is something I haven't then tell me.

But yeah nice dodge…

 

[Black_n_White]

I dont even think these kids are worth the debate, neverlone the effort to bring them home…

 

[Abraham]

Well others can judge how you've conducted yourself. You clearly have no interest in actually discussing the issue rationally. Now you've been called out on it and you're shutting down. I believe I've responded to all your points but please if there is something I haven't then tell me.

But yeah nice dodge…

You seriously believe what you write?

I'm more than happy to discuss things rationally, just not with an adolescent who has to start throwing jibes because someone has the temerity to disagree with what they are saying.

I'm from a country next door to Syria, and receive first, second, and third hand reports of what's going on there on a near daily basis. On what the lengths these people do to move around not only the region, but the world.

I may not get my information from watching The Project, Q&A, or whispers around the Public Servant's watercooler, but I don't doubt for a second I have more real world knowledge of that situation than you do.

But throw your childish insults if that's what makes you feel better.

 

[Abraham]

Well Abe, you personalised it by asking whether would we like them living next to us. Frankly, it would not worry me having them next door, I have real posh neighbours, a dose of Here Come the Habibs would bring them back down to earth a bit.

As that Sharrouf family is only young I would grasp the opportunity to show them that love out does hate and that society can be a positive experience.

I brought religion into it because dysfunctional elements in the texts are still taken literally and will be forever taken as such by some, so we will forever be having these problems. And throughout the Middle East all the abrahamic religions cause havoc, I was not picking on Christianity.

If I, an atheist, have misconceived it then it is not really harming anyone.

The Sharroufs are only one little piece of the big picture and if we don't also address the big picture we are almost achieving nothing.

(Willow this was composed a.m. but too busy to complete - don't want to waste)

Nice attempted dodge.

Only someone on some of that good Byron Bay stuff would manage to insult the Bible while talking about Salafists in Syria. Or is it just the bigot in you?

When you start seeing beheadings in the name of Joshua let me know.

 

[Geo]

And on that note…That's the end of it...