Aussies 2018 tour of South Africa Spoilers

[Fibros]

On the bright side we are only a match fixing scandal away from landing a Pakistani bank or similar company as a major sponsor, and a corruption incident or two from an Indian motorcycle company. The dollars will flow in.

Im surprised CA didn't ban cricket from Australia and take up Baseball.

Interesting to see the punishment for the next ball tampering player from another country and if any punishment on top of the ICC penalty.

Probably a medal of honour if it leads to a victory.

Don't get me wrong, I'm angry at these players and anyone who cheats, but I don't like the idea of such different penalties when there is a body like the ICC to govern this.

Then again, I'm use to it - NRL and Manly 2 days ago is a case in point.

Angry yes like the rest of us. But rubbing them out for 12 months? The rest of the cricket world is laughing at us. Shame on CA for the handling of these guys especially Smith.

I said in this thread when this story broke that it was a big overreaction and I stand by that more so now Smith has got 12 months.

 

[eyewonder]

The penalties are too light ,in my opinion.
Every junior coach encourages young players to show sportsmanship to other teams .
Enjoy the game,and if you are beaten,shake hands at the end and look forward to next week.
Anyone who has played cricket at any level will have had their experiences in enhancing the condition of the cricket ball.Ball tampering is not the issue for me,its the deceit and arrogance that went with it.
The effect the smithgate affair on young sportsmens' thinking is yet to be seen.Do they listen to their junior coaches who encourage honesty and sportsmanship, or be arrogant and deceitful as shown by the australian cricket leaders.
anyway,wests tigers to win.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Penalties were light. Personally, wouldn't have cared if none of them ever played again.

That being said, the penalties handed out are infinitely more severe than anything ever dished out by any other team for ball tampering. The standard has been set so when a Pakistani or du Plessis inevitably gets caught again the world can shout them down as much as they have over these three, but I doubt they will as the world has been waiting for an opportunity to belt the Aussie team for their arrogance and aggressiveness.

Hopefully some good has come of this and CA has set a standard that cheating doesn't come without severe repercussions. We can argue semantics about how Smith actually admitted it, the type of material used to effect the ball etc, but Sachin has been caught on camera working the seam, du Plessis & Atheron have used foreign material & Afridi forgot the ball wasn't an apple.

Most importantly, it sets an example to aspiring cricketers that CA is prepared to bench their best bat when the going rate was a one match ban for 12 months and all the potential successes that hinge off the back of Smith. While it wasn't far enough IMO, it's far better than anything else ever handed out.

 

[FreddyK]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

For those interested here is a recent history of ball-tampering:
1\. 1990, Chris Pringle, NZ, was caught using a bottle top to scratch the ball. Admitted to the incident but no punishment.
2\. 1994\. Mike Aterton (England) was caught with dirt in his pocket that he used to scratch the face of the ball and was caught on camera. ICC did not discipline Atherton but the English Cricket Board imposed a fine.
3\. 2000, Waqar Younis, (Pakistan), used a fingernail to scratch the ball. He was the first who was fined and suspended by the ICC. He did it again in a Test Match but avoided suspension
4\. 2001, Tendulkar, (India), was caught cleaning the seam of the ball, was suspended for one game but was revoked.
5\. 2003, Shoab Akhtar, (Pakistan), scratching the surface of the ball and suspended for 2-one day internationals
6\. 2004, Dravid, (India), applying lozenge to the ball and fined (no suspension)
7\. 2006, Pakistan team, Umpires claimed the Pakistan was tampering, Pakistan refused to take the field and match was awarded to England.
8\. 2010, Stuart Broad, (England), admitted that he stepped on the ball with his spikes. No charge by the ICC
9\. 2010, Afridi, (Pakistan), biting the ball, pleaded guilty, and apologised. He said that there is not one team that does not tamper with the ball.
10\. 2016, Faf du Plessis, (South Africa) using his zipper to scratch the ball. He was fined.
10\. 2016, Faf du Plessis, (South Africa), applying candy to the ball, fined 100% of his match fee and three demerit points by the ICC.

As you can see ball tampering is not new but a twelve month ban is way out of proportion with respect to the other penalties. The CA board should be sacked immediatley.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

I think the penalties are fair although heavy then in the past but a maybe this might make it clear that cheating is not acceptable. People can say what they like about everyone doing it but regardless who is doing it, it is premeditated cheating.

The biggest issues is how quickly the investigation came to this conclusion - a full and proper investigation should have taken place with the players suspended until that was finish (which would have been the rest of this series anyway). I don’t understand the rush to hand out punishment except to quieten the media and public backlash.

 

[Geo]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

 

[hobbo]

Coincidence , all three will be available for the Ashes tour in 2019 ??

You'll need them to take on the might of England :smiley:

 

[hobbo]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

I hope so !

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. **Where’s Warner?**

Getting himself nice and comfy in front of his Oled. Going to be a long 12 months.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

How can he blame anyone else. He was the Captain, the buck stopped with him.

 

[tig_prmz]

feel real sorry for steve.

 

[Nelson]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

 

[sheer64]

Only thing I dont understand is how can they ban them from the IPL? Nothing more crooked than the IPL!

 

[FreddyK]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

Sorry, a code of conduct is a legal instrument. CA or any organisation cannot implement its code of conduct arbitrarily. By law, CA is required to undertake an independent investigation and that requires interviews etc. They did not do this and as I said, CA have arbitrarily suspended the players without due process.

 

[happy_tiger]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

As long as he can cope with this :frowning:

If I was close to him I'd be extremely concerned with his mental health , he's not well and it would like losing a limb for him this ban

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

 

[happy_tiger]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

I feel sorry for Smith , but it would have taken one of two things and this never happens

He simply say "NO"

Secondly he tells Lehmann what he has just heard

He is totally accountable as a leader you make split second decisions , he made a shocker on that one

Any time someone thinks that David Warner might have a good idea they need to do this :brick: :brick: :brick:

 

[FreddyK]

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

By the speed of the announcement of the punishment it looks like retribution by James Sutherland and the CA Board for the recent 'pay war'. The board must be sacked.