Backrow composition

Eddie

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Potential to be a big weakness next season. On reputation or "name" you would have Blair, Fulton and Anasta as your starting 11,12,13\. That for me would be one of the worst back rows in the comp. No disrespect to each player as they can all play decent football. However together it's a Undersized, no real power or offloading ability mix. Can't see any real strike power there. You only have to look at the Top 4 teams last season and the way most modern backrowers are sized. They are used for the power play and intimidating decoy options when you sweep the ball out the back. Thats why smart team like Melbourne go and sign Junior Moors, because thats the ideal build for a modern day backrower.

Bell is another grafter who is honest but won't scare anyone. I just can't see this back row getting us any yards and Galloway and Woods will be broken down buses half way through the season tryinn to carry the load. Hopefully the new coach can find a better mix.It's alright to have your one undersized guy who can ball play (ala a Gleen stewert) but you can't have 3 starting for you. Murdoch-Masila Is probably the one who can add something different and needs to get up to speed. You need some hole hitters with an ability to offload, or go forward in traffic. SOme of those 20's backrowers certainly ran with plenty of gumption and power. Then you have Pettybourne, who doesn't have great size or offloading ability but at least he is fearless and runs hard lines. Then you have another very interesting player in Sironen, who will only get bigger and stronger and can ball play. Also you have Bodene Thompson who i thought had a lot of potential 2-3 years ago but is coming for a dud year.

It's a shame we lost Moors as he would have been the ideal to give us a mix of body shapes and attributes tot his back row. I just think that Blair, Anasta and Fulton are way to similar in size and that 1 or 2 of them might have to ride the pine and sit on the bench to complement the way modern football is played. Fulton had a good season and probably is the one most deserving of a starting spot.

It's going to be interesting how this area of the side pans out. Because you need you real impact and strike there in the modern game. I Would be looking at trying to get Masila, Pettybourne and Sironen up to speed so one or two of them can real push for a spot in the starting backrow. Anasta might surprise me, but I think ultimately will prove a headache for the coach as to where he fits in. He was VERY ordinary last season. And Blair, well i just don't rate him at all.

What would be your ideal starting back row say a month or two into the season once things sort themselves out?
 
Great thread and something ive been thinking about. The balance of the backrow is will be interesring. Braith will be one. Fulton will be in the 17\. The rest is speculation…..will Potter think we short up front and play Blair as a front rower??? How will Bodene Thompson, BMM and Pettybourne go???
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Its a potential problem area but also could be a potential strength if Blair comes good and BMM and Thompson can be as good as im hoping.
 
Thinking about this as well

I honestly think Fulton is our only 80 minute backrower. However he, Anasta and Thompson all look likely candidates for a bench utility spot as well.

Blair is about 40 - 50 minutes of effective play if used correctly, Pettybourne about the same but with Bigger impact.

Bell is a good Back Row option, as is Utai off the bench.

BMM I would personally play at prop off the bench, he has the size and power plus ball skills and we have seen how damaging that mould can be in relation to guys like Tamou. With the depth we have in backrow this year I feel it is the best move and gets him involved in the game
 
@Eddie said:
Potential to be a big weakness next season. On reputation or "name" you would have Blair, Fulton and Anasta as your starting 11,12,13\. That for me would be one of the worst back rows in the comp. No disrespect to each player as they can all play decent football. However together it's a Undersized, no real power or offloading ability mix. Can't see any real strike power there. You only have to look at the Top 4 teams last season and the way most modern backrowers are sized. They are used for the power play and intimidating decoy options when you sweep the ball out the back. Thats why smart team like Melbourne go and sign Junior Moors, because thats the ideal build for a modern day backrower.

Bell is another grafter who is honest but won't scare anyone. I just can't see this back row getting us any yards and Galloway and Woods will be broken down buses half way through the season tryinn to carry the load. Hopefully the new coach can find a better mix.It's alright to have your one undersized guy who can ball play (ala a Gleen stewert) but you can't have 3 starting for you. Murdoch-Masila Is probably the one who can add something different and needs to get up to speed. You need some hole hitters with an ability to offload, or go forward in traffic. SOme of those 20's backrowers certainly ran with plenty of gumption and power. Then you have Pettybourne, who doesn't have great size or offloading ability but at least he is fearless and runs hard lines. Then you have another very interesting player in Sironen, who will only get bigger and stronger and can ball play. Also you have Bodene Thompson who i thought had a lot of potential 2-3 years ago but is coming for a dud year.

It's a shame we lost Moors as he would have been the ideal to give us a mix of body shapes and attributes tot his back row. I just think that Blair, Anasta and Fulton are way to similar in size and that 1 or 2 of them might have to ride the pine and sit on the bench to complement the way modern football is played. Fulton had a good season and probably is the one most deserving of a starting spot.

It's going to be interesting how this area of the side pans out. Because you need you real impact and strike there in the modern game. I Would be looking at trying to get Masila, Pettybourne and Sironen up to speed so one or two of them can real push for a spot in the starting backrow. Anasta might surprise me, but I think ultimately will prove a headache for the coach as to where he fits in. He was VERY ordinary last season. And Blair, well i just don't rate him at all.

What would be your ideal starting back row say a month or two into the season once things sort themselves out?

Hear, hear

For the same reason, only one of them can be on the field at the same time.
Fulton is very good hole runner, and very good in defence.
Anasta is very good in attack, but I have question mark on his defence.
Blair hopefully has potential, but we did not see much of it so far.

So my backrow is:

11 Pattybourne
12 BMM
13 Fulton
 
Very good thread. And difficult to come up with an ideal balance too, given some of the purchases the club has made. If Blair can get back to some of the form he showed while at Melbourne, things become a little clearer IMO. I'd almost be inclined to start Pettybourne but a lot will come down to where Potter sees Anasta playing. It will either be halfback or lock IMO.

If we looks at the backrow stocks of the club:

Blair
BMM
Fulton
Anasta
Pettybourne
Thompson
Bell

We saw some pretty good defence from Bell when he played at lock last year, not much in the way if hitups, but he was making 40 tackles per game, and Fulton will do that comfortably over 80 minutes too. Anasta meanwhile won't do anywhere near the same amount of work in defence, or attack, but he does offer decent ball playing ability and I think he'll be a very good link man between Robbie and Benji, plus he has wicked bomb and a decent kicking game.

BMM and Thompson are the two blokes who can dent the line and offload, plus they're among the bigger backrow options at the club. As Smeg said, you could use BMM in the front row which would force him to do more work, but he's very potent running wide of the ruck close to the line where he has that tackle breaking ability and good pace…

Depending who impresses most during the offseason and trials, I'd look at:

Blair
Pettybourne
Fulton

Bench:

BMM
Anasta
Fotuaika
Bell

Anasta and Fulton could practically be the utility option in the event of injuries this way IMO, with front row duties shared between Bell and Fotuaika with BMM also an option if an injury hit one of the starting props.
 
Nice thread.

My opinion it's not as bad as it sounds. If we have your options as the starting and pettybourne/BMM off the bench maybe Thompson they can come on for impact and size. As much as I like Fulton I think they might bench him. Blair is/can be the best second rower in the world let him settle hopefully played in his position. Anasta with roosters played second row and I personally thought roosters look such a better side there. Also with ayshford and Lawrence being rather big second rower body types size won't be much of a problem.

11\. Anasta (ayshfords side I feel he can give good ball and allow aysh to hit some holes give to koro also be on millers side hopefully)
12\. Blair (with lawrence needs to learn benjis 5/8 running game and the lines to run with Lawrence)
13\. Fulton (defence is key and he is a gun defender, I feel Blair and Lawrence side would be real strong in d so needs to know about this and hug on Anasta side)

My opinion, fergs out
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If Blair doesn't improve in off season

Anasta and Fulton as second rowers

Bell as lock

Bench Pettybourne,Thompson ,Fotuiaka and Blair
 
Watching the Test match earlier this month, Blair came on from the bench for a short spell and really tried to provide energy and lift his side. Its effectiveness i cant judge, but at least Blair gave it a real go!!
Potter may replicate this tactic and further coach Blair on how to improve in that role!

11\. Fulton (80 min workhorse)
12\. Pettybourne (good go forward)
13\. Anasta (his natural position, can ball play/support attacking plays)

Bench:
- Blair (impact player)
- Murdoch-Masila (impact player)
- A Prop
- Thompson (covers centre, back row)

Would love to see these two be used as impact players. Running good lines at the opposition late in the halves.
Our bench back rowers rotating with Anasta and Pettybourne to keep them fresh and effective.
This year BMM has been our ONLY impact player off the bench.
 
I'm not upset with losing Moors based on what we saw from him. Similar type player to BMM, but not as effective.

Looking at what is available, I'd reckon rotating the players would help with impact. A couple of these players are capable of 80 mins - esp Fulton - but they start to lose effectiveness as they tire. There's a fair bit to work with there, depending on the actual game.

However it pans out, just making smarter use of the interchange than what we've been used to will certainly help!
 
We are clearly missing a Ryan Hoffman

Possible Sirro down the track, or Pettybourne now ???

If we looks at the backrow stocks of the club:
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Blair
BMM
Fulton
Anasta
Pettybourne
Thompson
Bell

Only half of those fill me with confidence in D too
 
My prediction is that there will be at least 3 backrowers on the bench each week. Two of them BMM AND Pettybourne will also be used as front row replacements if the situation warrants it.
 
@Newtown said:
My prediction is that there will be at least 3 backrowers on the bench each week. Two of them BMM AND Pettybourne will also be used as front row replacements if the situation warrants it.

Can't see Pettybourne being used in the front row.
 
I thought we looked so much better with Bell at 13 this year so my back row -

11\. Blair
12\. Pettybourne
13\. Bell

14\. Fulton
15\. BMM
 
@helmesy said:
I thought we looked so much better with Bell at 13 this year so my back row -

11\. Blair
12\. Pettybourne
13\. Bell

14\. Fulton
15\. BMM

x 1000 Bell at lock and we played our best footy

No coincidence in my opinion either Helmesy
 
just a thought but blake ayshford could slot into lock he is about one hundred kilos or so and mobil and can tackle he also knows where the try line is.
 
@Gordon said:
just a thought but blake ayshford could slot into lock he is about one hundred kilos or so and mobil and can tackle he also knows where the try line is.

Sheens did play him a couple of games off the bench in a 2nd row capacity. And he's only going to get bigger. Does also pose an interesting question as to who our current 3rd/4th best centres are!
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@max smart said:
@Gordon said:
just a thought but blake ayshford could slot into lock he is about one hundred kilos or so and mobil and can tackle he also knows where the try line is.

Sheens did play him a couple of games off the bench in a 2nd row capacity. And he's only going to get bigger. Does also pose an interesting question as to who our current 3rd/4th best centres are!
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Lawrence and Simona probably our best centre combination assuming that Teddy is 100% Round 1
 
@Eddie said:
Potential to be a big weakness next season. On reputation or "name" you would have Blair, Fulton and Anasta as your starting 11,12,13\. That for me would be one of the worst back rows in the comp. No disrespect to each player as they can all play decent football. However together it's a Undersized, no real power or offloading ability mix. Can't see any real strike power there. You only have to look at the Top 4 teams last season and the way most modern backrowers are sized. They are used for the power play and intimidating decoy options when you sweep the ball out the back. Thats why smart team like Melbourne go and sign Junior Moors, because thats the ideal build for a modern day backrower.

Bell is another grafter who is honest but won't scare anyone. I just can't see this back row getting us any yards and Galloway and Woods will be broken down buses half way through the season tryinn to carry the load. Hopefully the new coach can find a better mix.It's alright to have your one undersized guy who can ball play (ala a Gleen stewert) but you can't have 3 starting for you. Murdoch-Masila Is probably the one who can add something different and needs to get up to speed. You need some hole hitters with an ability to offload, or go forward in traffic. SOme of those 20's backrowers certainly ran with plenty of gumption and power. Then you have Pettybourne, who doesn't have great size or offloading ability but at least he is fearless and runs hard lines. Then you have another very interesting player in Sironen, who will only get bigger and stronger and can ball play. Also you have Bodene Thompson who i thought had a lot of potential 2-3 years ago but is coming for a dud year.

It's a shame we lost Moors as he would have been the ideal to give us a mix of body shapes and attributes tot his back row. I just think that Blair, Anasta and Fulton are way to similar in size and that 1 or 2 of them might have to ride the pine and sit on the bench to complement the way modern football is played. Fulton had a good season and probably is the one most deserving of a starting spot.

It's going to be interesting how this area of the side pans out. Because you need you real impact and strike there in the modern game. I Would be looking at trying to get Masila, Pettybourne and Sironen up to speed so one or two of them can real push for a spot in the starting backrow. Anasta might surprise me, but I think ultimately will prove a headache for the coach as to where he fits in. He was VERY ordinary last season. And Blair, well i just don't rate him at all.

What would be your ideal starting back row say a month or two into the season once things sort themselves out?

I was caught up in another thread which mentioned this subject and my answer was exactly what you say..I agree , did I write the above , it sounds like me.
 

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