Balmain 80s/90s

Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.
 
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Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.

Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.

Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.

Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.
 
Jacin Sinclair was one of Jones favourites. Had so much ability but another one that just didnt reach the heights.and sadly things off the field were also challenging
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Yep Alan Jones, killed us. He replaced Wiz with that Rugby Union half and tried to change the style of play from memory, wanted it to be more expansive.

Losing the '89 grand final didn't help either and it took a lot of wind out of the sails. We just made the finals in 1990, but losing 16-0 to Manly was a sad way to finish an era.
 
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Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.

Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.

Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.

Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.

Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.
 
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Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.

Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.

Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.

Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.

I know he never played, but did Nevin get a WT's contract? He was only 24 in 2000.
 
Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well
 
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Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well

Loved his pick up line

"Do you like rugby league " , "how about you come back to my place for a game of touch" :roll
 
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Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.

Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.

Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.

I know he never played, but did Nevin get a WT's contract? He was only 24 in 2000.

No I don't think he was offered a WT contract. He came to Balmain as a bit of a top player in the making. He'd just played a grand final, he kicked goals. But he was pretty crappy at the Tigers and you're the time of the JV he was out of favour. We signed Seers and Caine and Nevin was never heard of again!
 
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When Jones took on the Balmain Tigers, he still had alot of experienced and talented players. By the time Pearce took on the coaching role at the Tigers, he had to rebuild. He still had Siro, Benny, and Jack returned, however they were in their twilight. In fact in the late nineties he had a promising young forward pack. When they formed the West Tigers, the majority of the team was Balmain. Innitially they did well, unfortunately they lost their captain McCracken in a horrific injury.

the late 90s forward pack is still one of my fave forward packs with the likes of siro,oneil,walker,stimpson,starr,morrison,senter
than later on we got lowrie,smith and HAUMONO who i remember being a crowd fave with those massive runs
 
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Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well

Yeah, caught the show as well. Always got along with him. Had a number of good yarns and an occasional drink with Kerry over the years, but have not seen him for a dozen or so years
 
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http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/balmain-tigers/coaches.html

Balmain in the 90's
Jones was at the Tigers 91-93 36.4% win rate
Junior Pearce was there from 94-99 36% win rate

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/wests-tigers/coaches.html

Tim Sheens 48.8% win rate

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/western-suburbs-magpies/coaches.html

Magpies In the 90's
Raudonikas 33.6%
Warren Ryan 44%

Warren Ryan at Balmain 89-90 65.8%

Jones was 3% better than Tommy R

Pearce "improved" to 42.3% as Westsigers coach 2nd only to Sheens - Cleary is at 41.4%

Stats c/- http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/ Great effort by them!

Junior was a great player, but a crap coach, how he got the gig for the first WestsTigers season has always baffled and annoyed me.

Junior had WT in the top 4 for a big chunk of 2000, we fell apart when McCracken busted his neck and a few other blokes got injured. Junior also coached the NSW team that same year and they whitewashed QLD 3-0\. IMO he wasn't too bad as a coach when he had some decent players to work with.
 
I was a Balmain fan in the mid 80s (they were crap just before then too) 1991 was the year it all started to go downhill Alan Jones brought in guys like Will Robinson and Rugby Players and didn't coach the team told them to go out and throw it around and have fun. in 1992 we had a really good year although we finished 10th but at one stage we won 5 in a row (it was the last time balmain won 5 in a row ever) then fell apart by losing to crap teams like gold coast (sounds familiar???_)

1993 sucked we were in games but couldn't win 1994 was a disaster and a wooden spoon. then we turned into the 'sydney Tigers' 1996 was actually a really good year won 11 games. 97 was bad couldn't even make the finals and gold coast did with the ARL. and 98 and 99 just sucked, so year the 90s were touch growing up as a teenager being a Balmain fan. and since 1990 have only seen my team make the semis 3 times in 28 years
 
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Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.

actually in 1991 we didn''t win till round 9 we had a draw in there from memory. think benny elias broke his thumb that year too and missed a lot of time. but I remember 1992 was a decent year winning 5 in a row and the last time doing that, by june we were in 3rd place at one stage just a poor ending we were a chance of the top 5 at one stage. and were losing to bad teams like Gold Coast (some things never change LOL) were were in 6th place at that stage and fighting for the top 5 and Gold Coast the last place team smashed us at home and we never recovered ended up only winning 2 more of out last 8 games.

There was a game where we lost to souths by letting them score about 14 points in the final 10 mins in 1992\. we could have finish higher that year.
 
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Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.

the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993
 
In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?
 
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In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?

85 was the 1st grand final i went to

Only 14 at the time so don't remember anything about the side we had

I'm guessing we were knocked out in the preliminary final against the dog's?
 
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In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?

85 was the 1st grand final i went to

Only 14 at the time so don't remember anything about the side we had

I'm guessing we were knocked out in the preliminary final against the dog's?

No after we lost in Extra time to the Dogs in the first game of the finals when Stone refereed, we had to play our bogey team the Eels next and did not show up. Against the Dogs we scored three fair tries that were all disallowed by Stone, each time Steve Mortimer ran up to him and then no try was signaled. We had a 19 year old Gary Schofield who had come over from England playing that year for us. He was one of the best.
 
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