Benji 2025 and Beyond

[crazycat]

Benji only wanted to be a coach if I was guaranteed the job immediately.

Doubt it, but if that was the case.

I take everything I said about the old board and demand they be served on a dodgy Western Sydney park BBQ... Roasted in fresh Bin Chicken droppings.

 

[mtd#2]

Your kidding me.

So Brad Arthur, the assistant at Manly when they had that massive finals run. The person who then coached Parramatta to a grand final and from memory a few finals appearances is "unproven"?

Look Andrew Webster was here. Now, he is in New Zealand. Would I like him as coach, Sure... but I would also like Bellamy, Bennett and I will throw in Ricky Stewart...

Brad Arthur is the only experienced coach without a club at the moment.

I think he's past his used by date. If he was that great he'd already have another job.

 

[Needaname]

I have been a Benji fan and happy to see how it all goes but for some reason it just feels like we need an experienced coach that knows how to coach the team and not just play what you see.
I hope he watched how the Panthers played us as that is a professional team with a coach who knows how to dismantle teams.
We just look totally lost in most games and opponents know it.

I was concerned that if we left Benji go that the players like Laui would go but starting to think if we let him go and let Laui have input into a new coach it will work.

The problem we have is if we leave this too long it will limit the coaches available and end up with the dreads again.
Coaches like Michael Cheika would be ideal or Payten if he is let go.
Brad Arthur is another one..

I remember that that experienced coach had a philosophy of letting his first team the warriors play what they see and just promote / move the ball utilising their strengths.
I also remember when he came to us, he seemed to have us very well prepped with a game plan that he felt could best beat the opposition but struggled to provide any options in game when it didn’t go as planned.
I guess what I’m saying is Ivan has evolved, you’d think Benji will to over his career but the warriors took a chance on young Ivan and he got them to the finals a few times and finished his time as a runner up with them.

 

[clontarfkid]

Missed the boat with Webster and Gardiner..Peter's has just extended...Burgess will surely go to Souths
So it's Arthur..Holbrook or Cheika..none of which are terrible
Timing will depend entirely on how we finish this season

 

[Westoz]

Your kidding me.

So Brad Arthur, the assistant at Manly when they had that massive finals run. The person who then coached Parramatta to a grand final and from memory a few finals appearances is "unproven"?

Look Andrew Webster was here. Now, he is in New Zealand. Would I like him as coach, Sure... but I would also like Bellamy, Bennett and I will throw in Ricky Stewart...

Brad Arthur is the only experienced coach without a club at the moment.

Brad Arthur was never at manly he was assistant coach at the storm and won a comp in 2012

 

[weststigers]

Missed the boat with Webster and Gardiner..Peter's has just extended...Burgess will surely go to Souths
So it's Arthur..Holbrook or Cheika..none of which are terrible
Timing will depend entirely on how we finish this season

If Cheika was announced coach, you'd be happy?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Brad Arthur was never at manly he was assistant coach at the storm and won a comp in 2012

He was at Manly in 2013

 

[Furious1]

If Cheika was announced coach, you'd be happy?

Thats a no from me. No experiments.

 

[Furious1]

I remember that that experienced coach had a philosophy of letting his first team the warriors play what they see and just promote / move the ball utilising their strengths.
I also remember when he came to us, he seemed to have us very well prepped with a game plan that he felt could best beat the opposition but struggled to provide any options in game when it didn’t go as planned.
I guess what I’m saying is Ivan has evolved, you’d think Benji will to over his career but the warriors took a chance on young Ivan and he got them to the finals a few times and finished his time as a runner up with them.

Over 15 years as an NRL coach he evolved. He's also done 3 years as an assistant at the Roosters and Warriors. Do we have 15 years to wait for Benji to evolve?

 

[tig_prmz]

Yep. And that is the problem. Everyone knows we are.
I think that is why lockie and TDS left.
Fans see us as the battlers. But why would you play for a team seen as that. Not the 1980's anymore. Everyone wants the big next thing.
Sorry bit random reply

Not at all random. Our finances will attract certain kind of coaches.

Every team is given $20m by the NRL and $14m in the cap. We won't be broke because of the NRL grant, but we will always be scraping the bottom for coaches, support staff, facilities, rehab, head of performance etc and since we have a big Junior base, the talent will keep coming, but the amount spent on training them per player will be nowhere near what other clubs spend.

We need a head coach who is willing to take all this on. Guys like Hannay, Ciraldo, Ryles etc are the next big thing but they come from big systems with lots of funding and very good support network.

We need someone who can run a one man show and has nothing to lose. Even if we had Ciraldo here this year, we may have gotten a win or two more, but he won't be able to set us up for the future because he'd get no support.

I don't think Benji is a good coach, but with what we have, he is probably one of the better options available. We aren't going to attract a Bennett or Bellamy etc and out of the inexperienced coaches, I don't mind Justin Holbrook. He's from a big system but he's worked in dire circumstances at Titans but did well enough. He's got a soft, caring personality that resonates with players more.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Brad Arthur was never at manly he was assistant coach at the storm and won a comp in 2012

He was assistant to Geoff Toovey in 2013

 

[mtd#2]

The game vs the doggies will be a clear indicator of whether my support for Benji as head coach has been justified. For me, the Tigers need to be within 10 points for it to be considered a pass.

We're up against our old mate Galvin, so this match would have been circled on the calender for a while... then there's the ego.. being up against the poster boy of the NRL’s next-gen coaches, Ciraldo...

So it makes me wonder, did he rest Bula and Samuela an extra week against the Panthers.. has he been preparing Royce specifically for this match with the doggies?

If Benji can’t get them up for this game to be competitive, then I think the writing’s on the wall.

Seems like Bula and Samuela were given an extra week to make sure they were fully fit... Royce must have met the benchmarks they had set for him.. I wonder if the benchmarks they set had the bulldogs game in mind? This game would have been earmarked on the calendar for both Benji and Richo... There's alot of ego at stake on Sunday...

It also makes me wonder whether the instructions the last two weeks for Latu have been to act as a ball distributor, with the plan to promote his running game this week as part of his development as a half . Just pass the ball for two weeks, start understanding the #7 role and when/when not to take the chances.... But start by just acting as a pivot... Week 3 start taking the line on...

The only issue with this weekend's team is I can't make sense of having no cover for Api, meaning the plan must be for him to play 80... And if we need to reshuffle (for injury) we can bring Latu to 9 and push Douhei into #7.

FK me, I hope I am right and Benji has been building up for this... otherwise my bubbles about to pop!!

 

[crazycat]

I remember that that experienced coach had a philosophy of letting his first team the warriors play what they see and just promote / move the ball utilising their strengths.
I also remember when he came to us, he seemed to have us very well prepped with a game plan that he felt could best beat the opposition but struggled to provide any options in game when it didn’t go as planned.
I guess what I’m saying is Ivan has evolved, you’d think Benji will to over his career but the warriors took a chance on young Ivan and he got them to the finals a few times and finished his time as a runner up with them.

Yes and from memory they fired Ivan after making the finals.
I know Manly fired Des when they were in the finals... If not a premiereship.

The way I see it, coaching options are pretty narrow. Our only internal option if Benji fails is Josh Morris.

AND... We have to be prep'd for both success and failure!
^This was the biggest failure of our club with Madge. I actually blame Sheens as Head coach. Come May he goes "oh Madge is done". Then throws Kimmorley to the wolves!
(BTW does anyone know how/why Noddy ended up here? I thought the Bulldogs basically conned him into earlier retirement. Then the bulldogs did not seem to offer him a job as assistant coach or punted him quickly..?).

TLDR: We need to set up a replacement. Not saying we would use him, but I am saying I don't want us being unprepared with bad options again.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Just watching NRL 360. Wtf is Ellias smoking? Thought top 8 or even top 4 so benji is struggling 🤣🤣.

It’s also cringy he keeps referring to the club with “we” lol.

 

[Needaname]

Over 15 years as an NRL coach he evolved. He's also done 3 years as an assistant at the Roosters and Warriors. Do we have 15 years to wait for Benji to evolve?

I dare say Penrith would of had more success earlier if he wasn’t sacked end of 15.

 

[innsaneink]

Seems like Bula and Samuela were given an extra week to make sure they were fully fit... Royce must have met the benchmarks they had set for him.. I wonder if the benchmarks they set had the bulldogs game in mind? This game would have been earmarked on the calendar for both Benji and Richo... There's alot of ego at stake on Sunday...

It also makes me wonder whether the instructions the last two weeks for Latu have been to act as a ball distributor, with the plan to promote his running game this week as part of his development as a half . Just pass the ball for two weeks, start understanding the #7 role and when/when not to take the chances.... But start by just acting as a pivot... Week 3 start taking the line on...

The only issue with this weekend's team is I can't make sense of having no cover for Api, meaning the plan must be for him to play 80... And if we need to reshuffle (for injury) we can bring Latu to 9 and push Douhei into #7.

FK me, I hope I am right and Benji has been building up for this... otherwise my bubbles about to pop!!

I very much doubt theyre looking at this Rd 22 game before round 19 or whenever...
Doomed to fail if we are