Big 3

[pawsandclaws1]

No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach


No player of note came here before, they where just paid as if they are an elite player.At least Madge is trying to build from the ground up,everyone before him was just putting marzipan on dog droppings

We have regressed in our play. I don't mind losing as long as we improve and demonstrate fight. Fight begins with defence and there are a handful of players defending well. We have not improved, our defeats are embarrassing and the rebuilding and five year plan excuses cannot continue.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

 

[mike]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.

 

[bradexl]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

Douheis defence may be questionable at times but what do you mean he appears not to want to improve. Seriously ? He is our major playmaker and our strength in attack. He also loves this club and he appears to want to improve with every game in my opinion.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

Douheis defence may be questionable at times but what do you mean he appears not to want to improve. Seriously ? He is our major playmaker and our strength in attack. He also loves this club and he appears to want to improve with every game in my opinion.

I like him as well but we know teams target him due to his defence. That was mentioned previously. Defence is our issue. He has a big area of his game he needs to improve. I watched our U21 halves cut down attackers the other weekend which was very pleasing. I wonder how a player can progress to the NRL with this weakness?

 

[mike]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.

Of all the players you could have picked to be defensively weak and you picked Doueihi, our best player on the field by a fair margin. He puts in every week.

Defensively the problem is in the forwards. No team is threatened by our pack, it’s an easy game against the Wests Tigers, you won’t have too many bruises when you play us.

 

[tigerbenji]

We have had our hands tied for years as far as money goes,thank previous recruitment for that...
you cant keep buying premierships,it may happen once or twice ala Roorters and Nick,but there is another 15 clubs who cant and we are one of them,this is why I cant stand people bagging Madge for our poor performances with what we have ATM...he is building from within,as the Panthers have been doing thats why he was keen on developing the junior pathways...
we will develop our own marquee players,its just that most people dont have the patients to wait and get behind what they are doing to make this a far better club than what others have failed to do..

You are spot on Mate, if we get rid of Madge its madness.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.


Of all the players you could have picked to be defensively weak and you picked Doueihi, our best player on the field by a fair margin. He puts in every week.

Defensively the problem is in the forwards. No team is threatened by our pack, it’s an easy game against the Wests Tigers, you won’t have too many bruises when you play us.

That may be so but if we're leaking points and teams are targeting one of our halves there is an issue. I just wonder why he hasn't fixed it. Wasn't it our right side again which conceded tries?

 

[mike]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.


Of all the players you could have picked to be defensively weak and you picked Doueihi, our best player on the field by a fair margin. He puts in every week.

Defensively the problem is in the forwards. No team is threatened by our pack, it’s an easy game against the Wests Tigers, you won’t have too many bruises when you play us.

That may be so but if we're leaking points and teams are targeting one of our halves there is an issue. I just wonder why he hasn't fixed it. Wasn't it our right side again which conceded tries?

The problem starts in the middle. Fix that with better players and you won’t have leaks on either side.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.


Of all the players you could have picked to be defensively weak and you picked Doueihi, our best player on the field by a fair margin. He puts in every week.

Defensively the problem is in the forwards. No team is threatened by our pack, it’s an easy game against the Wests Tigers, you won’t have too many bruises when you play us.

That may be so but if we're leaking points and teams are targeting one of our halves there is an issue. I just wonder why he hasn't fixed it. Wasn't it our right side again which conceded tries?

The problem starts in the middle.

So we can hide this under rebuilding. It helps if all players and especially our halves can defend. I am amazed only one or two posters have raised this issue. As I wrote I like Doueihi as a player but he needs ti fix this quickly. What do they do at training?

 

[jrtiger]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

do you think we have enough players heading for the exits at the end of the year that there will be significant cultural change? I'm worried this is going to continue for a while.

 

[twentyforty]

Xavier Coates just signed with Storm for less money, why?
Why didn’t he sign with Wests Tigers for less money?
If you want to win, here’s the simple solution..
Be the club which improves the reputation of it’s players.
It’s not bloody rocket science!
Start by removing the impediments. That’s the hard part isn’t it?

 

[mike]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

do you think we have enough players heading for the exits at the end of the year that there will be significant cultural change? I'm worried this is going to continue for a while.

Don’t know if it’s enough. It also matters who the replacements are. It could go on for another season but the change has to be made. Wests Tigers cannot be viewed as an easy touch by players.

 

[rihannafan1]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

Fair enough. And if we don't improve in this area next year? It's still the players' fault then too?

 

[earl]

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

I assume you aren't serious with this comment.

 

[earl]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

I have no doubt some players are defensively weak. But it is the coach who is responsible for improving the defence. He has not done so and our play has regressed. You cannot continue to excuse him.

Doueihi is a fine player but defensively a weak link. He is not a rookie. What do you do with him? He appears not to want to improve.

How does Doueihi appear to not want to improve exactly?

You cannot continue to excuse the players that won’t put in.

How many tries have been scored via him rushing out of the defensive line and leaving a gap? He's a seasoned NRL player but continues to make rookie errors in defence. What do you do with a player who doesn't want or can't learn how to defend?

Exactly how many tries has Doueihi let in? How many has Doueihi saved? How many games has Doueihi played at 5/8?

Quite a few. He is not a rookie and he said himself 5/8 was his junior position. I've watched him in juniors play half. I like him and he does some good things with the ball. But the game also involves defence and being able to work as a team in defence. He is not the only player defensively a liability but defence is the issue which must be fixed. We know a team builds confidence from a strong defence. Letting your team mates down with poor defence must be extremely frustrating to those players who do defend.


Of all the players you could have picked to be defensively weak and you picked Doueihi, our best player on the field by a fair margin. He puts in every week.

Defensively the problem is in the forwards. No team is threatened by our pack, it’s an easy game against the Wests Tigers, you won’t have too many bruises when you play us.

That may be so but if we're leaking points and teams are targeting one of our halves there is an issue. I just wonder why he hasn't fixed it. Wasn't it our right side again which conceded tries?

The problem starts in the middle. Fix that with better players and you won’t have leaks on either side.

The problem is one of our strengths is our middle forwards. The balance is wrong though. We don't have guys that can offload or dent the line consistently.

To me the middle being poor is partially on the coach.

 

[earl]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

Fair enough. And if we don't improve in this area next year? It's still the players' fault then too?

It's not 100% either way is it. The coach is partially to blame but so are the players.

My impression is that the team is building and very few of us have any patience. Madge also took some calculated risks with our squad that haven't paid off but I don't know what else he could do.

 

[TigerWest]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

Fair enough. And if we don't improve in this area next year? It's still the players' fault then too?

Yes, now you understand.

How many plod meters, missed tackles or crap kicks does the coach make?

 

[earl]

So i look at our club and the other clubs and what we lack is quality at the real top end.

Our 3 highest paid players are Mbye, Brooks, Packer and at the start of the season it was Josh Reynolds

If I compare this to the top 3 in almost every other club then this is really where we fall over.

I would almost go as far to say that if we swapped the top 3 players at every club outside the bottom 4 we would be a top 8 team.

Look at what happened to Manly when Tommy T came back. If we swapped our 3 highest paid for Tom and Jake and DCE or swapped them for Taumalolo, Val Holmes and Micheal Morgan pre injury we would be a top 8 team let alone if we swapped with top 4 clubs - if we swapped our too 3 for Teddy, Keary and Chrichton or Cleary, Kikau and Crichton or Latrell, Murray, Cody W or Munster, Paps, Bromwich/Grant at the storm

What we really need is not a slightly better this or that or but too focus on buying 3 top class players. Now we might not get 3 in one offseason but find the first one as they tried to do with Latrell and JAC we need to find some genuine test level players even if we need to pay signifcant overs for the first one but make it a genuine star.

I actually think we have made good moves in buying some exceptional young players who might well turn into top 3 level players - Laurie, Douehi, Blore, Stefano, Simpkins all have that potential but we need to bring in a top 3 player.

We have gaps in our outside backs , half back and lock so lets aim for one in each of those.

Mayby Hastings is it at halfback so lets find a star outside back and a star lock. I understand why Madge would look at Sam Burgess because he might be that for 18 months and he would set standards on tje field and training paddock although perhap not in life.

Interested in peoples thoughts

Absolutely spot on. Too much money tied up in the top three that are not delivering what they are getting paid. One, Packer, will definitely be gone for 2022. Hopefully we can offload Mbye as well, without paying huge freight. Brooks has until the end of the year IMO, otherwise he can be shopped around as well. That would free up the top 3 money spots for better value players.

I'd suggest the coach is on borrowed time. Blame the players all you want but the extremely poor defence rests with the coach. You want stability, I want our team to improve and we're not getting that under Maguire. No player of note will come here with Maguire as coach.

The players are the ones on the field not the coach. It’s the players that are the problem with a number of them that won’t be here next year.

Fair enough. And if we don't improve in this area next year? It's still the players' fault then too?

Yes, now you understand.

How many plod meters, missed tackles or crap kicks does the coach make?

I listened to Madge's press conference and he mentioned they spoke about the Titans scoring off kick offs. They must have drilled it and been aware.

Brooks poor kick. Simpkin poor passes and dropped ball in a critical position. Cini's dropped ball.

None of those issues are the coaches fault.

They just didn't execute.