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2041

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I wonder if there is anyone outside Tigers management who believes there is any chance Moses will be a better first grade player than Martin. A competent club would jettison Moses to England now while there's any residual chance of someone else backing his 'potential'. It's bad enough watching Austin tear up without having the junior version doing the same.
 
Martin would be eaten alive in first grade ATM. Great talent and comes up with classy plays mixed with horrible plays. I've seen him do some things with time at hand in lower grades that are god awful. With the faster pace of NRL he would be atrocious. That's not saying he won't make an NRL player in the future, just saying he is a while off. I rate Martin big time, but he has more issues than Moses at present time.
 
I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now. I'm saying the club made a mistake by deciding Moses was the 5/8 of the future. It's already cost us Austin, which hurts, but a competent club would pull the pin now before it costs us any more. Instead of continuing to dream on a flashy junior who clearly isn't up to it - at the cost of another junior who still might be.
 
I don't think it will cost us Martin at all. There is no way he is close to ready for first grade yet and I doubt he will be next year either. I reckon he'll be starting to have a crack in 2017, when Moses is on the last year of his current contract and we can choose one or the other.

Then again, some other mob could get desperate and offer him a fortune. It happens.
 
@2041 said:
I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now. I'm saying the club made a mistake by deciding Moses was the 5/8 of the future. It's already cost us Austin, which hurts, but a competent club would pull the pin now before it costs us any more. Instead of continuing to dream on a flashy junior who clearly isn't up to it - at the cost of another junior who still might be.
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I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now.
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but a competent club would pull the pin now

Seems contradictory to me.
But yeah, I do see your point…weve put all our eggs in one basket
 
@Masterton said:
I don't think it will cost us Martin at all. There is no way he is close to ready for first grade yet and I doubt he will be next year either. I reckon he'll be starting to have a crack in 2017, when Moses is on the last year of his current contract and we can choose one or the other.

Then again, some other mob could get desperate and offer him a fortune. It happens.
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Eight or so clubs interested if news reports are true
 
@2041 said:
I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now. I'm saying the club made a mistake by deciding Moses was the 5/8 of the future. It's already cost us Austin, which hurts, but a competent club would pull the pin now before it costs us any more. Instead of continuing to dream on a flashy junior who clearly isn't up to it - at the cost of another junior who still might be.
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Blake Austin is 24, Mitchell is 20… 4 years of development is a long time, how do you think Blake was going 4 years ago, stop trying to compare the two, it’s ridiculous.

You don’t see the Panthers continually moaning about letting Blake go, just get over it
 
@PrattenParkMagpie said:
@2041 said:
I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now. I'm saying the club made a mistake by deciding Moses was the 5/8 of the future. It's already cost us Austin, which hurts, but a competent club would pull the pin now before it costs us any more. Instead of continuing to dream on a flashy junior who clearly isn't up to it - at the cost of another junior who still might be.

Blake Austin is 24, Mitchell is 20… 4 years of development is a long time, how do you think Blake was going 4 years ago, stop trying to compare the two, it’s ridiculous.

You don’t see the Panthers continually moaning about letting Blake go, just get over it
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I'm not comparing them, I'm saying the decision to back Moses is why Austin isn't playing for the Tigers. Which is undoubtedly true.

I'll give Moses a pass on his defence at present as he's clearly undersized. But he also offers nothing in attack. It's pretty galling to see someone like Jack Bird (also 20, and yes I know he's more physically developed than Moses) going well when Moses is pretty much a liability.

I was maybe not thinking entirely clearly last night (ahem) but is it that hard to imagine in, say, three years time that Austin is a good to very good first grade five eighth and Martin is an emerging superstar - both at other clubs - while Moses has followed the less than illustrious path beaten by Jacob Miller?
 
He's showed glimpses, but he's looked out of his depth at times. To play 2 halves at that age when the rest of your side is as young is stupidity
 
@2041 said:
@PrattenParkMagpie said:
@2041 said:
I'm not saying play Martin in first grade now. I'm saying the club made a mistake by deciding Moses was the 5/8 of the future. It's already cost us Austin, which hurts, but a competent club would pull the pin now before it costs us any more. Instead of continuing to dream on a flashy junior who clearly isn't up to it - at the cost of another junior who still might be.

Blake Austin is 24, Mitchell is 20… 4 years of development is a long time, how do you think Blake was going 4 years ago, stop trying to compare the two, it’s ridiculous.

You don’t see the Panthers continually moaning about letting Blake go, just get over it

I'm not comparing them, I'm saying the decision to back Moses is why Austin isn't playing for the Tigers. Which is undoubtedly true.

I'll give Moses a pass on his defence at present as he's clearly undersized. But he also offers nothing in attack. It's pretty galling to see someone like Jack Bird (also 20, and yes I know he's more physically developed than Moses) going well when Moses is pretty much a liability.

I was maybe not thinking entirely clearly last night (ahem) but is it that hard to imagine in, say, three years time that Austin is a good to very good first grade five eighth and Martin is an emerging superstar - both at other clubs - while Moses has followed the less than illustrious path beaten by Jacob Miller?
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Jack Birds form this year has been patchy. Moses is much more of a ball player then Bird is. Bird is good but id take Moses any day after watching them come through. Stop comparing then as well. Theyre both different players.

Have you seen much of Te Maire this year? Hes a great player but he still makes a lot of mistakes.
 
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He's showed glimpses, but he's looked out of his depth at times. To play 2 halves at that age when the rest of your side is as young is stupidity
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Exactly. It is clear that we should have kept Austin and played him in the halves this year with one of our young halves while the other matured in reggies.

And that's not hindsight, plenty of us wanted that to happen.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
He's showed glimpses, but he's looked out of his depth at times. To play 2 halves at that age when the rest of your side is as young is stupidity
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The tiges the youngest side in the comp? Anyone know?
 
I doubt that Brooks is ready for First Grade, but if Jarrod Mullen is an accomplished First Grade level halfback then I have no doubt that Luke Brooks is too, even if he doesn't go on to play for NSW and Australia. I currently see better potential in Moses than I do in Brooks but if the forwards aren't going forward then there is no room for them anyway.

I do not think Simona and Nofo are first grade Centres and never have. Nofo is a great winger and I expect Simona probably would be too. Simona is not a tackle buster and he is not difficult to tackle. Our back row is poor, although I am enjoying Lawrence in the thick of it. Galloway was off for most the game yesterday, and Taylor pulled Woods and Marty off at the same time in the second half. This means Sue, Lovett, Santi and green Lodge were the meat in our pack. Hardly intimidating but with our current roster and the fact State Cup got beaten yesterday I don't see many other options.

If Dene Whare is available then we should be throwing cash to get him here IMO.
 
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