Big name player in trouble

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

True 2041, but the police could if they really wanted to, couldn't they?

Not real sure CB,but I would think someone has to lodge a complaint with them directly,otherwise as the defense councillors always say " that it is hearsay"…

The police could investigate themselves but could be too late now that the bird has flown with any evidence, unless they did a forensic on his house for hairs which they would be unlikely to do seeing there has been no complaint nor other law and order issue. We would be along the way to a police state if every possible infringement of any law meant the police going 100%. What the NRL does is separate business.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The NRL dishing out any punishment on illicit substances is obviously dependent on evidence or conviction of using said substances, which we would think is unlikely.

 

[jirskyr]

I go a bit soft on footballer behaviour when no one is really hurt because we choose them because they are rough and tough so sort of what do we expect. They put their bodies on the line in a gladiatorial game so I cut them a little slack. As I have stated it is a grog culture so we should not be shocked when things get a bit messy.

There is also this fantasy land where fit, young, famous, well-paid 20-something men have a booze and drug culture, but this is somehow absent from the non-footy 20-something generation.

YEAH RIGHT.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

There is a great cartoon on it in today's SMH mentioning League players if someone knows how to drag over

 

[eyewonder]

boys will be boys.Particularly if they are in a group and or on the drink.Everyone has done similar at some stage of their lives.

but dont be hypocritical and promote women in league and rugby league as a fabulous family day out if pearce gets a soft consequence.

the roosters and or n.r.l. have to decide how they want the game to be portrayed.Don't send the general public mixed messages.

 

[innsaneink]

The NRL dishing out any punishment on illicit substances is obviously dependent on evidence or conviction of using said substances, which we would think is unlikely.

The NRL said it would investigate the authenticity of the texts and then Id assume depending on that outcome, if they find them to be legit… theyd investigate alleged coke use.
They wouldnt need anyone to make a complaint as this would be a breach of theiir code of conduct.

However seeing as legal action has been taken against channel 7 for implicating the wrong dude who they clain sold the video....its beginning to smell a bit

 

[tigerap]

Mitchell Pearce is a "Politis" protected species…

Here is what will happen:

Pearce will read a prepared statement apologizing to the NRL, Sponsors, Fans, club, animals of every species and his family. He will admit he was in the wrong and has learnt his lesson. He will go on to say his focus is now playing well for the Roosters, NSW and leading them to winning the SOO series and the Roosters to a premiership. He will be fined $50,000 by the NRL, which of course we all know Politis will pay for, the money will be donated to the RSPCA and AA....all this will be acceptable to the NRL... and everyone will hope the issue "goes away" fast

Here is what should happen:

He should have his contract torn up and his name marked "never to play NRL again".

Prediction just about spot on…..and watch the rest play out as said....no wonder there is no trust in the NRL....Shame Mr Pearce didn't find the conviction to apologise to the female he had no regard for.

 

[innsaneink]

Geez ap, do you always go off this early?

 

[Geo]

FAde to Black, The NRL is not charge of border protection. I don't think they could have attempted to interfere in MP leaving the country without copping a lot of flak.

I never mentioned that the NRL should stop him from leaving the country but a thorough investigation into this whole drama needs to include a hair or blood test to verify his innocence or guilt re: the use of illegal substances.

Does the NRL have any right to demand a hair or blood sample, especially outside of the established performance enhancing drug testing regime? It's not a law-enforcement agency. It could ask for a sample, Pearce could say "no, that's a gross invasion of privacy" and carry on with his life.

Drug tests for recreational drugs are a part of the NRL anti-doping policy…

 

[happy_tiger]

FAde to Black, The NRL is not charge of border protection. I don't think they could have attempted to interfere in MP leaving the country without copping a lot of flak.

I never mentioned that the NRL should stop him from leaving the country but a thorough investigation into this whole drama needs to include a hair or blood test to verify his innocence or guilt re: the use of illegal substances.

I think if we find out there has been collusion between the Roosters or his Dad to prevent the natural progression of the law in this the Roosters should be punished heavily

(PS don't forget your fantasy league :sunglasses:

According to the NSW Police, it is not investigating the matter. So what "natural profession of the law" are you referring to?

Why is it necessary to drag his family into this matter? No doubt they have been hurt the most in all of this and Wayne Pearce would be feeling this keenly. There are many who hold Wayne Pearce in high regard so please refrain from dragging his name into this very sorry story.

Whether that Natural PROGRESSION law is NSW Police or ASADA , a professional sportsmen was acting in an irrational fashion which is their for all to see on the video evidence and accused of taking "liney lineys"

Enough evidence for me , bush lawyer or not and he has had numerous issues now

As some one else said Craig Field and Kevin McGuinness were banned for many matches for taking recreational drugs in the off season

And yes , if the Roosters or Wayne Pearce have knowingly got their player / son out of harms way the need to be punished

I have the highest regard for Junior Pearce he was a class act on and off the field , but if he has done the wrong thing in regards to this he should stand down from the ARLC pending an investigation

And if the Roosters have got Mitchell out of Dodge before Wyatt and Doc showed up its time someone stood up to Politis and the likes and give them a massive punishment

 

[Guest]

Wayne Pearce is a legend.
His son is a scrub.

For many young people what Mitch does is unfortunately very common these days. We have a beer culture and grog was not advertised when I was a youngster so the whole psychology has changed. Drugs are everywhere as well. Mitch is more or less going with the flow esp with the Eastern Suburbs mob. Now they have those grog and drug breathalysers and professionals will be caught out, get a record and lose maybe their jobs - I am not in favour of such harsh punishment. With tradies it is not so harsh.

It's about accepting responsibility and dealing with the consequences when they think they're invulnerable to such situations. What's the difference between Pearce and a tradie? Laws are laws, they are there for the population as a whole to abide by, if not, then suffer the consquences accordingly.

 

[Nelson]

True 2041, but the police could if they really wanted to, couldn't they?

Not real sure CB,but I would think someone has to lodge a complaint with them directly,otherwise as the defense councillors always say " that it is hearsay"…

The police could investigate themselves but could be too late now that the bird has flown with any evidence, unless they did a forensic on his house for hairs which they would be unlikely to do seeing there has been no complaint nor other law and order issue. We would be along the way to a police state if every possible infringement of any law meant the police going 100%. What the NRL does is separate business.

To get a hair or blood sample the police would need to seek an order from the Local Court for a non-intimate (hair) or intimate (blood) forensic procedure under the Crimes (Forensic Procedures) Act. They can only do that if they are investigating an indictable offence. Possession of a prohibited drug and/or self-administration of a prohibited drug are not indictable offences, they are summary offences. Even if they were investigating an indictable offence the police would still need to put on evidence to establish reasonable grounds to suspect that Pearce had committed an offence, and those text messages in isolation definitely wouldn't cut it.

So basically, you can forget about the police getting involved and frankly their resources can be better spent than on investigations into recreational drug use by individuals. It's an issue for the NRL and the NRL have the Integrity Unit as an investigative body with various powers. They probably include fairly broad drug testing powers that extend beyond those of ASADA given they are charged with protecting the integrity of the game.

 

[Guest]

True 2041, but the police could if they really wanted to, couldn't they?

Not real sure CB,but I would think someone has to lodge a complaint with them directly,otherwise as the defense councillors always say " that it is hearsay"…

The police could investigate themselves but could be too late now that the bird has flown with any evidence, unless they did a forensic on his house for hairs which they would be unlikely to do seeing there has been no complaint nor other law and order issue. We would be along the way to a police state if every possible infringement of any law meant the police going 100%. What the NRL does is separate business.

To get a hair or blood sample the police would need to seek an order from the Local Court for a non-intimate (hair) or intimate (blood) forensic procedure under the Crimes (Forensic Procedures) Act. They can only do that if they are investigating an indictable offence. Possession of a prohibited drug and/or self-administration of a prohibited drug are not indictable offences, they are summary offences. Even if they were investigating an indictable offence the police would still need to put on evidence to establish reasonable grounds to suspect that Pearce had committed an offence, and those text messages in isolation definitely wouldn't cut it.

So basically, you can forget about the police getting involved and frankly their resources can be better spent than on investigations into recreational drug use by individuals. It's an issue for the NRL and the NRL have the Integrity Unit as an investigative body with various powers. They probably include fairly broad drug testing powers that extend beyond those of ASADA given they are charged with protecting the integrity of the game.

Correct.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Who is saying get the police involved? It has got nothing to do with the police.
It however has got a helluva lot to do with the NRL, its supposed tough stance on illicit drugs by current players under its' banner and the integrity and image of the league itself. So the NRL should be doing everything in its power to find out the truth behind the alledged use of illicit drugs by Pearce….just as it did when it came down hard upon and made an example of Field and McGuiness years ago.
Out of curiosity....does anybody remember how Field and McGuiness were originally caught for their indiscretion? Was it an NRL drug test that they failed? Wouldn't think they would come out and confess guilt unless they got caught out by the drug- testing procedure of the NRL.

 

[tigerap]

Geez ap, do you always go off this early?

Learnt from the best

 

[innsaneink]

Who is saying get the police involved? It has got nothing to do with the police.
It however has got a helluva lot to do with the NRL, its supposed tough stance on illicit drugs by current players under its' banner and the integrity and image of the league itself. So the NRL should be doing everything in its power to find out the truth behind the alledged use of illicit drugs by Pearce….just as it did when it came down hard upon and made an example of Field and McGuiness years ago.
Out of curiosity....does anybody remember how Field and McGuiness were originally caught for their indiscretion? Was it an NRL drug test that they failed? Wouldn't think they would come out and confess guilt unless they got caught out by the drug- testing procedure of the NRL.

ASDA drug tests
Buddha was for eccys, Field coke

 

[Tim Sheens]

boys will be boys.Particularly if they are in a group and or on the drink.Everyone has done similar at some stage of their lives.

but dont be hypocritical and promote women in league and rugby league as a fabulous family day out if pearce gets a soft consequence.

the roosters and or n.r.l. have to decide how they want the game to be portrayed.Don't send the general public mixed messages.

Geez "everyone" is a huge generalisation. I'm no angel, but can't recall doing three "similar" things to that of Pearce in my lifetime, let alone within a couple of minutes. Can only assume there are many more around that can say the same as not everybody is a tool when on the drink and/or other substances.

 

[Nelson]

Who is saying get the police involved? It has got nothing to do with the police.
It however has got a helluva lot to do with the NRL, its supposed tough stance on illicit drugs by current players under its' banner and the integrity and image of the league itself. So the NRL should be doing everything in its power to find out the truth behind the alledged use of illicit drugs by Pearce….just as it did when it came down hard upon and made an example of Field and McGuiness years ago.
Out of curiosity....does anybody remember how Field and McGuiness were originally caught for their indiscretion? Was it an NRL drug test that they failed? Wouldn't think they would come out and confess guilt unless they got caught out by the drug- testing procedure of the NRL.

Um the post immediately before yours quoted CB, TrueTiger and BBF talking about police involvement?

Like ink said Field and McGuiness were caught by ASADA drug testing at pre-season training. Field claimed he didn't know what he had taken but McGuiness to his credit fessed up to having taken ecstasy.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Who is saying get the police involved? It has got nothing to do with the police.
It however has got a helluva lot to do with the NRL, its supposed tough stance on illicit drugs by current players under its' banner and the integrity and image of the league itself. So the NRL should be doing everything in its power to find out the truth behind the alledged use of illicit drugs by Pearce….just as it did when it came down hard upon and made an example of Field and McGuiness years ago.
Out of curiosity....does anybody remember how Field and McGuiness were originally caught for their indiscretion? Was it an NRL drug test that they failed? Wouldn't think they would come out and confess guilt unless they got caught out by the drug- testing procedure of the NRL.

ASDA drug tests
Buddha was for eccys, Field coke

Their suspensions would have been imposed by the NRL though wouldn't they? IIRC they both got slightly different length suspensions as well…not sure how the NRL calculated their suspensions.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Who is saying get the police involved? It has got nothing to do with the police.
It however has got a helluva lot to do with the NRL, its supposed tough stance on illicit drugs by current players under its' banner and the integrity and image of the league itself. So the NRL should be doing everything in its power to find out the truth behind the alledged use of illicit drugs by Pearce….

Um the post immediately before yours quoted CB, TrueTiger and BBF talking about police involvement?

Like ink said Field and McGuiness were caught by ASADA drug testing at pre-season training. Field claimed he didn't know what he had taken but McGuiness to his credit fessed up to having taken ecstasy.

It isn't a police issue though-he didn't break the law.
I just can't fathom how Pearce can take off out of the country whilst he is being investigated by the NRL for the incident….surely they would of had the power to refuse him to leave until the whole incident was reviewed and his punishment handed down. If it was Hoppa snr that did the same thing as Pearce I would be certain the NRL wouldn't have allowed him to rack off overseas before it was all sorted out.....especially with allegations of illegal drug use etc being suggested.
The NRL is as crooked as a dogs leg,its a joke the way their punishments are so wishy-washy. Ask Joel Monaghan.