Blame Taylor if you want, but remember.....

Yesterday I thought we played ok. I think there are several key reasons we lost.

1 - Forward depth. When we lost Jesse and then Woodsy we were in trouble. Our bench cannot cope with that and our team structure suffers.

2 - Team selections. With Milone playing centre we tended not to use that side of the field and were a lot more predictable.

3 - Discipline. I would like to see a stat but we must be the most penalised side in the comp. it's hard to win when you're on the backfoot

4 - Halves. I think Moses is well on his way to fulfilling his potential but Brooks has plateaued. You judge a player after 50 games and this is about as good as it gets for him. He gets overawed by the task at hand and takes very poor options. While he think he is a first grade player, he needs to leave WT and play his preferred opportunistic style next to a dominant half who guides the team around the park.

I think JT needs to respond and quickly (for his own sake).
 
The buck stops with JT he controls the squad and the players. Yeah sure his not the one missing tackles, giving away penalties etc…but his team selection and bench rotation is appalling.

It is clear as daylight well to me anyway that he hasn't got the respect of the squad, they don't bust a gut for him cause they know they will get selected the following week anyway.

Normality is slowly coming into place at Tigers headquarters, we were favourites for the spoon and we are playing like a spoon challenging side.
I'm not surprised one bit.
 
I knew we were in trouble when Farah started skipping across field. We did not play direct enough. That is why our outside backs kept running out of space and had their time shut down. Today was worst example. Over the past few weeks Farah has become increasingly dominant which has coincided with us looking worse and worse.

That said our halves played really dumb, weak footy and took soft options all day. It's not nyc, you can't attack your way out of a hole, you have to grind and build pressure.
 
Were you watching the same game as me? Moses was the best half out there and provided plenty of chances down the right hand side. Kev isn't up to it and I can only think of James Roberts in our right centre position.
 
I am no Taylor fan, but what he said in the press conference is true; we are not tough enough. In the early rounds the forwards were running hard from deeper run ups, now they are back to their flat style. Newcastle out muscled our forwards today.

To run hard you need good, reliable and early ball from the ruck; make this change and the team will improve.
 
Poor old Taylor is on a hiding to nothing. They've stopped putting in for him, if they ever even did. He'll be lucky to see round 10 at the rate we're going.

Bring in an axe wielder like Cleary, and watch sphincters tighten.
 
@Eddie said:
Your right,,

Our first 2 games even though we played flashy football there were some really good Charges to set up our playes

It was Woods followed by Grant followed by Sue running really hard and tough.

We were earning the right to play flashy football by getting over the advantage line.
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We also had quick service from dummy half - to be honest the best we have looked was when we had Littlejohn at half and Cherrington at hooker with Moses running the show.
 
@diedpretty said:
@Eddie said:
Your right,,

Our first 2 games even though we played flashy football there were some really good Charges to set up our playes

It was Woods followed by Grant followed by Sue running really hard and tough.

We were earning the right to play flashy football by getting over the advantage line.

We also had quick service from dummy half - to be honest **the best we have looked was when we had Littlejohn at half and Cherrington at hooker with Moses running the show.**
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Think you have selective memory loss.
As soon as Cherrington came on in the first game we went backwards - same again in the second game.
Oddly enough in both those games we went better with Halatau at hooker.
Cherrington is not ready yet - and we already have too many others in the team playing in the same boat.
 
@cktiger said:
@diedpretty said:
@Eddie said:
Your right,,

Our first 2 games even though we played flashy football there were some really good Charges to set up our playes

It was Woods followed by Grant followed by Sue running really hard and tough.

We were earning the right to play flashy football by getting over the advantage line.

We also had quick service from dummy half - to be honest **the best we have looked was when we had Littlejohn at half and Cherrington at hooker with Moses running the show.**

Think you have selective memory loss.
As soon as Cherrington came on in the first game we went backwards - same again in the second game.
Oddly enough in both those games we went better with Halatau at hooker.
Cherrington is not ready yet - and we already have too many others in the team playing in the same boat.
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Yeah i have to agree….all the points were scored in the 1st half when Cherrington wasn't on the field , Cherrington hasn't done anything yet .
 
@cktiger said:
@diedpretty said:
@Eddie said:
Your right,,

Our first 2 games even though we played flashy football there were some really good Charges to set up our playes

It was Woods followed by Grant followed by Sue running really hard and tough.

We were earning the right to play flashy football by getting over the advantage line.

We also had quick service from dummy half - to be honest **the best we have looked was when we had Littlejohn at half and Cherrington at hooker with Moses running the show.**

Think you have selective memory loss.
As soon as Cherrington came on in the first game we went backwards - same again in the second game.
Oddly enough in both those games we went better with Halatau at hooker.
Cherrington is not ready yet - and we already have too many others in the team playing in the same boat.
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Oddly enough, I think memory loss is not selective as Halatau only played in one of those games, and it is really sad that the half playing at nine to start off our year provided much crisper service than that of the past few weeks.

Whilst you are one of Farah's staunchest supporters and I have been way on the other side since Gordigate, even you must admit that he is now terrible (having never been much good) at getting reasonable service to our forwards, let alone halves. He is a good defender and way ahead of our alternatives in that area, but gee his is so slow and taking a number of runs on the fourth yesterday for no good reason, leaving us with someone else scrambling to dummy half, rather than being there on the all important last play, was very poor judgement.

Robbie has been good for us, but one quality game in the last couple of years is all we have had, and whilst I am loath to wish ill on anyone, I must admit to hoping that he was going to be out for the initially reported six months when injured this preseason.
 
@formerguest said:
@cktiger said:
@diedpretty said:
@Eddie said:
Your right,,

Our first 2 games even though we played flashy football there were some really good Charges to set up our playes

It was Woods followed by Grant followed by Sue running really hard and tough.

We were earning the right to play flashy football by getting over the advantage line.

We also had quick service from dummy half - to be honest **the best we have looked was when we had Littlejohn at half and Cherrington at hooker with Moses running the show.**

Think you have selective memory loss.
As soon as Cherrington came on in the first game we went backwards - same again in the second game.
Oddly enough in both those games we went better with Halatau at hooker.
Cherrington is not ready yet - and we already have too many others in the team playing in the same boat.

Oddly enough, I think memory loss is not selective as Halatau only played in one of those games, and it is really sad that the half playing at nine to start off our year provided much crisper service than that of the past few weeks.

Whilst you are one of Farah's staunchest supporters and I have been way on the other side since Gordigate, even you must admit that he is now terrible (having never been much good) at getting reasonable service to our forwards, let alone halves. He is a good defender and way ahead of our alternatives in that area, but gee his is so slow and taking a number of runs on the fourth yesterday for no good reason, leaving us with someone else scrambling to dummy half, rather than being there on the all important last play, was very poor judgement.

Robbie has been good for us, but one quality game in the last couple of years is all we have had, and whilst I am loath to wish ill on anyone, I must admit to hoping that he was going to be out for the initially reported six months when injured this preseason.
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Funny - I didn't mention Farah in my comment - you certainly turned that one around.
My comment was in relation to the team running better this year when Cherrington came on - which didn't happen.
I just don't think Cherrington is ready for big minutes at the top level - and he hasn't really proven otherwise.
As for Farah , please let me reserve my own right to comment on whether he was terrible or not.
 
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