OFFICIAL BOXING DISCUSSION

Am so happy with this result! I cheeered back in 01 when Ottke decked this gibbering idiot and I did again last night.

Sure he has speed, but I have never considered him to be a great boxer…he has no punching power, a glass jaw and most importantly - no ticker.

To me he was never more than a 2nd or 3rd undercard boxer. The amount of publicity he has been able to generate for himself is sickening.
The boxers overseas must be laughing their heads off at some of his comments. The top blokes in these divisions are absolute warriors and all of them would dismantle him without much effort.
 
@redemption said:
@Yossarian said:
I'd side more with Smeghead. It was a poor standard fight and a strange tactical fight from Mundine. Maybe Mundine was too obsessed with proving how tough he was and wanted to prove he could out slug Wood. In any event he did a shocking job of keeping Wood at distance and using his jab.

I've seen Garth Wood fight a few times now. He's as tough as but let's face it - he is a very limited fighter. Hard to see him having an impact offshore but he'll keep being a popular fighter on Aust fight nights for a while. He uses what skills he has very well but like a lot of white boxers, cuts too easily.

As for Mundine he really needs to bite the bullet and either retire or train big time and fight someone with a bit of international cred. He doesn't have time to warm-up for the the next 2 years fighting plumbers and Thai taxi drivers.

Looked like Benji in the crowd judging from the Fox Sports report I just saw. I assume he was there to support Garth…

The majority of Mundine's fights have been of poor standard either due to the quality of opponent or due to his tendency to hit & run!

Garth did what he needed to do last night by closing the distance between the two and bringing the brawl to Mundine! Garth is not a pure boxer - and Mundine owns him on that score - but he is a banger and that was always going to worry Mundine as he does not like to get hit or get his hands too dirty!

Like his dad (who was a champion) Mundine has a hugely suspect jaw - and is prone to knock-outs from ordinary punches - and that means he has no real future against quality fighters!

As for Garth cutting too easily - the split last night was caused by a head-clash (as were some of those during the Contender series) - these are hard to avoid when you brawl like he does at his best! He will never be a world champion - but he can now claim a legacy in Australian boxing!

Benji was at the fight with Lote, Bryce, Heighno & Moltz!

You're right about most of Mundine's fights being poor for the reason you outlay. But Mundine has gone a long way and made a small fortune through mismatches and jab-and-run points wins. Which is why I can't understand why he allowed Wood to get so close so often. Complacency I'd say…

Agree about A.M's glass jaw. Tony Mundine had ability but lacked discipline as well as being prone to being KOed. Remember Tony ended up fighting at heavyweight. His son is a much better trainer but has the same durability issues. Agree he probably has no future against the big names but if he wants to leave his mark it is now or never - like I said either he supertrains and has an all-or-nothing shot against someone or he gives up. No point with Mundine v Wood II, Mundine v Green II, III, IV etc... unless of course he wants to keep milking the Aust public. I for one won't be buying...

I realise last night's cut was caused by a head clash but I think every fight I've seen GW in he's had a nasty cut. Some blokes just cut easily and I think he's one of them. Maybe after last night he can afford a better quality vasoline or something. Where to for him? Fight that bloke who won the Aust Middleweight title on the undercard or go back to super middles? Personally I thought he looked pretty good as a Middleweight. I would pay to watch him fight again as he's entertaining and has a dig.

Just hope Benji was backing the right side last night!!!
 
people seem to be blinded by the hatred of the guy.. he can box.. his down fall this time is he has gone down to many divisions and no longer has the power or stamina to continue.. he hasnt been the same boxer for over 18 mths.
 
@T-REXX said:
people seem to be blinded by the hatred of the guy.. he can box.. his down fall this time is he has gone down to many divisions and no longer has the power or stamina to continue.. he hasnt been the same boxer for over 18 mths.

I don't think people on this forum are blinded by hate. Nearly everyone here agrees he can box, he's got quick hands and feet. The criticisms of him - that he ducks good opponents, has a suspect jaw etc are perfectly valid and personally I think they existed a long time before he started dropping weight divisions.
 
im not sure where the Jaw part comes in

both times he has been knocked out havnt been on the Jaw… the Oktte one was on the temple... and last night the hit that floored him was the top/back of his head.
 
@Yossarian said:
@T-REXX said:
people seem to be blinded by the hatred of the guy.. he can box.. his down fall this time is he has gone down to many divisions and no longer has the power or stamina to continue.. he hasnt been the same boxer for over 18 mths.

I don't think people on this forum are blinded by hate. Nearly everyone here agrees he can box, he's got quick hands and feet. The criticisms of him - that he ducks good opponents, has a suspect jaw etc are perfectly valid and personally I think they existed a long time before he started dropping weight divisions.

+1

He's never helped his own case by fighting less than reputable opponents. And yes he can box, but his talent is very much overstated, evidenced by the fight we saw last night.
 
@T-REXX said:
im not sure where the Jaw part comes in

both times he has been knocked out havnt been on the Jaw… the Oktte one was on the temple... and last night the hit that floored him was the top/back of his head.

It's more an expression… You say glass jaw but you really mean he's prone to be KOed fairly easily. I don't mean it literally...

You're right about Ottke - he got him right on the top of the head. I'd have to watch the replay from last night again. On Fox Sports the reverse angle seemed to show Wood landing a short left hook to the jaw or side of his melon. Also looked like he tried to get a sneaky knee in as Mundine crumbled down :smiley:
 
Mundine's career has been over for a while now. I think its sad. At Supermiddle he was world class, but his obsession to drop weight was a mistake. I also believe as he was dropping weight he also approached the common hurdle fighters like him face….......a quick loss of form. A lot of speed and "hit but not be hit" fighters drop form overnight and never get it back.

Even though at the end of his career he dragged the sport thru mud, ill always be grateful for him bringing the sport back to life. When he took up boxing he got it back in the papers. He rose to the top claiming the WBA title and Ottke refused to fight him again. When Ottke retired, Mundine was a genuine world champ. Thats an amazing achievement. He claims to be a 3 time world champ, but i dont think anyone believes that. He is however, a former rugby league star who changed sport and got to the top. Remarkable.

We never saw the best of Anthony Mundine.
 
@king sirro said:
We never saw the best of Anthony Mundine.

This is the thing that frustrates me so much.

As a rugby league player he had a lot of talent but he did not fulfill that talent. As a boxer he probably had the same ability but again he did not fulfill that talent.

I used to be a fan but his constant crap talking has simply put me off. Telling us all how good he was does not change the fact that he was never in the top echelon of rugby league players and will never be there as a boxer.

He will be remembered as an underacheiver and a loud mouth.
 
Billy Hussein proved once again what a class act he is, making a fighters safety his primary concern, even when it is the opposition. When Mudine got knocked down Woods' grubby brother was already trying to climb into the ring, before the ref had even started the count or sent Garth to a neutral corner. Billy had to hold him back, and Jeff Fenech. And when the ref signalled for the bell, Fenech and Nathan Wood ran over the top of Mundine to jump all over Garth. Billy meanwhile went straight to Mundine and helped him stand and made sure he was okay first. Class act. Wish there were more like him.
 
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@Danos said:
Billy Hussein proved once again what a class act he is, making a fighters safety his primary concern, even when it is the opposition. When Mudine got knocked down Woods' grubby brother was already trying to climb into the ring, before the ref had even started the count or sent Garth to a neutral corner. Billy had to hold him back, and Jeff Fenech. And when the ref signalled for the bell, Fenech and Nathan Wood ran over the top of Mundine to jump all over Garth. Billy meanwhile went straight to Mundine and helped him stand and made sure he was okay first. Class act. Wish there were more like him.

Yeah agree about Billy Hussein - he is a class act and the kind of guy you'd want in the corner of your loved one if they were boxing. I thought he was trying to tell Garth Wood to go to a neutral corner after the knockdown though…
 
@tiger05 said:
@king sirro said:
We never saw the best of Anthony Mundine.

This is the thing that frustrates me so much.

As a rugby league player he had a lot of talent but he did not fulfill that talent. As a boxer he probably had the same ability but again he did not fulfill that talent.

I used to be a fan but his constant crap talking has simply put me off. Telling us all how good he was does not change the fact that he was never in the top echelon of rugby league players and will never be there as a boxer.

He will be remembered as an underacheiver and a loud mouth.

Great post 05!!!

I personally wanted to see him genuinely be as special as he has told us he is (and as per his now wasted potential)!!!

However his moronic rhetoric lost me along time ago - and I was happy to see a part-time cleaning-contractor ice him in an ugly brawl last night (also note - Mundine did most of the holding in close)!!

Go Vic this weekend!!!

As for Billy Hussein - he is a great asset to the sport in this country and exactly the sort of paternal coach Garth needed! He also almost took his younger bro 'Skinny' to within a whisker of a k.o. versus the Pacman!!
 
<big>No Pacquiao, no career: Low life bum Mundine KTFO'd by novice</big>
December 8th, 2010 7:55 pm ET.

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Bum who said America deserved Sept. 11 carnage KO'd by Garth Wood
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I hate to kick a man, or in this case an overrated loudmouth who refers to himself as 'The Man,' when he is down but I will gleefully make an exception for Anthony Mundine.

Not only will he never fight a real hero named Manny Pacquiao, his mediocre at best ring career seems to be finished.

He was in the twilight of that mediocre career but now he may have to pack it in.

And, guess what, Mundine deserves it.

Mundine got flattenend by a relative novice, 10-1-1 "Contender" show graduate Garth Wood Wednesday night in Sydney and it's going down as one of the biggest upsets in Australia's boxing history.

Wood, a modest bloke who is handled by a great Aussie fighter, the Hall Of Famer and Mike Tyson pal Jeff Fenech, laid Mundine, the 35 year old former rugby league football star and son of excellent boxer Tony Mundine, with a smashing left hook to the temple.

From what I hear and see, Mundine went down in sections just like the buildings at the World Trade Center did when terrorists flew airplaine into two of the towers on the infamous Monday, Sept. 11, 2001, in my home city of New York.

Mundine made some hateful remarks about that horrific day and sent shock waves far beyond the thimble sized world of boxing. He later issued a half-assed apology but it was clear that the later remarks by 'Choc' were a crock.

While opining that Aussies should not get involved in fighting alongside Americans in Afghanistain, Mundine went way too far in adding this:

"I really feel that it's not our problem," Mundine said. "They call it an act of terrorism but if you can understand religion and our way of life, it's not about terrorism. It's about fighting for God's laws, and America's brought it upon themselves (for) what they've done in the history of time."

To their credit, New York promoter Lou DiBella and the WBC's Don Jose Sulaiman laid into mouthy Mundine for his sickening statement.

As usual, DiBella did not sugarcoat his reaction, calling Mundine "a low life bum" and saying:

"As Americans, New Yorkers and human beings, we at DiBella Entertainment find your statements to be evil, deplorable and totally ignorant.

"You're lucky, Anthony, to live in a great country like Australia which allows you to express your opinions, as vile as they may be. That kind of freedom is what our country is now defending. We're defending it against cold-blooded murderers who kill the innocent; cold-blooded killers who you apparently admire.

"You should really consider joining the Taliban and Bin Laden. You would be deprived of nearly all of the freedoms you now enjoy. We don't think you or the women in your life would like it very much. And don't attribute your inhumanity to Islam, a religion of peace. You and those you support don't represent your religion, Anthony, they pervert it. Contrast your statements to the actions of Muhammad Ali, who personally visited the site of the horror to console the victims' families and pray with the rescue workers."
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Then Sulaiman came on with a two fisted bit of counterpunching:

"The World Boxing Council read with stupefaction the statements made recently by Australian boxer Anthony Mundine justifying the terrorist attacks and the consequent deaths of so many innocent victims that occurred on September 11 in New York,” said Sulaiman.

"Mundine is currently rated in the super middleweight division and, therefore, the WBC announces that he will be sanctioned by dropping him indefinitely from the WBC ratings, since such statements are unbelievable and intolerable and seriously hurt world society and boxing. The WBC will not tolerate the utilization of a position in boxing to make such absurd and denigrating public statements.
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"The World Boxing Council ratifies its position in absolute solidarity with the United States and the families from 80 countries who suffered the vicious attacks by criminals that blemished the principles of peace in the world."
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Mundine's weak apology went like this:

"On Monday morning, statements attributed to me and reported around the world have been taken out of context by the Australian media portraying me as an uncaring and inconsiderate individual. I sincerely apologize to any person who may have been offended, who may have read or heard my comments. I condemn killings on any side and all acts of terrorism. I am against any form or any shape of violence or killing."

Garth Wood is my new ring hero.

Throw some shrimp on the barbie, put some Foster's on ice.

Wood destroyed this sicko.

I may be smiling for another week or two.

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Hahaha thats priceless Alien!

Hope the chump reads this and weeps, I've never forgiven him for those statements either…..
 
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heard a rumour that mundines next fight will be against the winner of beauty and the geek
 
@tiger05 said:
@king sirro said:
We never saw the best of Anthony Mundine.

This is the thing that frustrates me so much.

As a rugby league player he had a lot of talent but he did not fulfill that talent. As a boxer he probably had the same ability but again he did not fulfill that talent.

his constant crap talking has simply put me off. Telling us all how good he was does not change the fact that he was never in the top echelon of rugby league players and will never be there as a boxer.

He will be remembered as an underacheiver and a loud mouth.

Ain't that the truth.
don't forget he is a great mentor to Sonny Bill Williams. :laughing:
 
@alien said:
heard a rumour that mundines next fight will be against the winner of beauty and the geek

I assume that would be the Beauty … and he would still offer her $200,000 to pull out before the fight!!

Plus - he has been great for Daine Laurie who has never been the same since he joined the Mundine posse!
 

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