breathe

[tiger_one]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

you have to wait until the damage done previously has been righted. We have contract that need to go about 2mils worth of them. But then you know that, theres no magic whistle to get rid of them champ.

Cleary will never be forgiven.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Everybody take a breath and look at what we are for what we are!

We are a team crippled by terrible contracts.
We are team with minimal speed.
We are a team without a consistent spine.
We are team with minimal talent.
We are a team with alot of youth and some inconsistent experienced players.
We are a team with minimal impact players.
We are a team that lacks consistency.

While it hurts we DO NOT have the team to compete every week.

What we do have is a coach trying to install hard work grit and determination. And we are seeing that in quite a few players.

What we have is a super positive recruitment process which is unearthing alot of talent.

what we have is positive for and against which is something I can't remember having for a long time.

What we have seen is some of the best performances a tigers team has shown in the last ten years in terms of grit, defence and determination.


Lets all be honest we are the average toiler at the moment and we are fighting for consistency.

Lets keep things i perspective we are fighting for an 8th spot but more importantly we are trying to build and identity let it happen there will be speed bumps.

I agree with much of this
I think the problem lays with the performance of a number of the players
Not the coaching staff or recent recruitment
We are signing some exciting young players
Its the older more experienced players that have been letting us down
Lets move them on
They have had years to prove themselves and they are just not capable

For starters we need two new halves that can create more
At least one speedy winger
More aggression in the front row
And more depth
Add to that a hooker that can last the distance after harry leaves
And maybe a fullback with pace

Well we don’t need much then where on our way to the promise land,just like the last 20years.Problem is at 64years old I think I will be in a box before we get to the promised land

I'm catching you
But it was 15 years 2005
Seems like 40 years

 

[supercoach]

My argument was that you can only have one star player on overs without needing a lot of lower level players to balance the salary cap.
$1.2M a year for Keary sounds good to me, over 4 years he would be getting over $1M more with us. If only there was a draft to stop the top teams staying on top.

Sadly under the current salary cap system and no draft the teams at the bottom face a real up hill battle to be in the mix for the title. The reason is simple, they get a lot less bang for their cap because they are forced to pay massive overs. So they are basically forced to target elite juniors, pay overs for them and hope like hell they will make the grade. Also hope if they do make the grade they don’t pack up and move when their contract expires...or earlier.

 

[Tcat]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

 

[cochise]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

you have to wait until the damage done previously has been righted. We have contract that need to go about 2mils worth of them. But then you know that, theres no magic whistle to get rid of them champ.

No but you don't sit on your hands for 2 years waiting mate, you make moves to start the process as soon as you can. If you don't think Madge started rebuilding from the day he walked into our club then you should be calling for him to be sacked tomorrow. I guess the addition of players like the the 2 Leilua's, Adam Dueihi and Blore weren't rebuilding moves. If the rebuild is only now starting I guess Madge hasn't done anything about the terrible culture at our club. If all that is the case he should be sacked immediately.

 

[Geo]

Always next year..

 

[cochise]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

 

[Furious1]

The article on Adam Hartigan spelt it out really. We were starting from a very low place, a lot of work is being done to put a successful SYSTEM in place as opposed to a quick fix. It will always be an uphill battle when our highest paid players are not match winners.

 

[avocadoontoast]

We were starting from a very low place

We were literally a game away from the finals last year.

 

[Furious1]

We were starting from a very low place

We were literally a game away from the finals last year.

I'm talking about sustained success of players coming through.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.
Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

Based on recent information from the POM, we just got one of three players that they we were targeting to get released, so that seems the case in regards to your first sentence.

I also share your concerns relating to the curtailing of skill, believing that a better balance would assist us. It is fine to talk about defensive attitude and completing sets, which are of course at the core of the game, though I am concerned that there is not much flexibility nor change of tactics being implemented when those basic principles on their own are not working.

Basically, completions are nice, but not everything and I don't think we threw enough variety at the warriors, particularly around the middle, allowing them plenty of energy to come at us with the ball and maintain ascendancy.

 

[cochise]

Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.
Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

Based on recent information from the POM, we just got one of three players that they we were targeting to get released, so that seems the case in regards to your first sentence.

I also share your concerns relating to the curtailing of skill, believing that a better balance would assist us. It is fine to talk about defensive attitude and completing sets, which are of course at the core of the game, though I am concerned that there is not much flexibility nor change of tactics being implemented when those basic principles on their own are not working.

Basically, completions are nice, but not everything and I don't think we threw enough variety at the warriors, particularly around the middle, allowing them plenty of energy to come at us with the ball and maintain ascendancy.

Good post mate, in regards to our skill players, brooks has 100% gone backwards this season. All he does now is run, he has obviously been told that is his best attribute. His best play has always been a short ball to a wide running 2nd rower option play. Its actually Benji's best play too, that play has completely disappeared from our game this year. Part of that is the 6 again rule as the sweeping plays that that play was a part of are less a part of the game, but we have 2 second rowers in lucy and Garner who are ideal at utilising that play.

 

[earl]

Our roster still isn’t a top 8 roster that’s for sure. Rebuilds take a long time and Madge has only been here a season and a half.

It’s hard to be patient when it’s been so long but it is a slow long process unfortunately.

We are in one never ending rebuild.

So is every club that isn't a top club. Even the top clubs have to build for the future. Look at the Broncos. They are a marquee team and they have marquee players. They also don't have a squad good enough to compete in the NRL atm and they have to rebuild that team.

There are no easy answers. I don't believe any one player signing would turn this club around and players typically don't leave their current club unless they are getting an opportunity to play first grade or significantly more money.

I honestly think we have a coach who is trying to turn us around and we are making good signings. It's just going to take time and some luck.

 

[earl]

I don’t think we threw enough variety at the warriors, particularly around the middle, allowing them plenty of energy to come at us with the ball and maintain ascendancy.

This is a really good point. You have to threaten when you have the ball.

 

[hugh1954]

Great weekend Tigers disappoint and now mt 76ers just defeated in a miserable performance,Why do i get so involved and down, am i normal or just australian who loves sport

 

[hodgo]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

Lol ok fix on one small statement for reference noone actually believes the rebuild didnt start straight away. I guess my meaning is we are hamstrung until those contracts are gone. Once they are we free up a few mil and can chase established players instead of the youngens we are at the moment.

 

[Magpieger]

yes

we r west tigers

That we are!
But hopefully Madge can change that aspect of our culture and get us to the point where we go into every game confident of a win but not in a complacent way.

 

[cochise]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

Lol ok fix on one small statement for reference noone actually believes the rebuild didnt start straight away. I guess my meaning is we are hamstrung until those contracts are gone. Once they are we free up a few mil and can chase established players instead of the youngens we are at the moment.

We had a good chink of money available for this season and every move we made was a reactive move, I get worried when we are constantly signing players released by other clubs instead of signing off contracted players as it appears we are letting the market dictate the types of players we target.

 

[twentyforty]

We have been in every game apart from the Knights where we went down by 18. We competed in every other game.

 

[cochise]

We have been in every game apart from the Knights where we went down by 18. We competed in every other game.

We are still extremely likely to miss the 8 for the 9th season in a row.