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[GNR4LIFE]

If we have to pay overs to attract franchise players, so be it. Titans did it with fafita, souths with Inglis. Once we get one, the rest will follow on market prices.
We need change desperately.

We recently tried that with Reynolds, Packer and Mbye. It does not always work and when it doesn't you are screwed for years.

We need a franchise star but we also need young players with potential and reliable, hard working players.

Keary is in a different class. Even if we can't approach yet, doesn't take much for madge to let him know we're keen

As if a player like Keary at his peak will leave a club like the Roosters and come to us.

 

[PJ_]

If we have to pay overs to attract franchise players, so be it. Titans did it with fafita, souths with Inglis. Once we get one, the rest will follow on market prices.
We need change desperately.

We recently tried that with Reynolds, Packer and Mbye. It does not always work and when it doesn't you are screwed for years.

We need a franchise star but we also need young players with potential and reliable, hard working players.

Keary is in a different class. Even if we can't approach yet, doesn't take much for madge to let him know we're keen


As if a player like Keary at his peak will leave a club like the Roosters and come to us.

Money talks

 

[Strider]

Stars used to want to join us because of Benji being a superstar and we were a fun flashy team. Now I wouldn't describe us that way we are a bunch of battlers. It's really hard to attract star talent to us. Not sure what the answer is.

 

[Tcat]

Stars used to want to join us because of Benji being a superstar and we were a fun flashy team. Now I wouldn't describe us that way we are a bunch of battlers. It's really hard to attract star talent to us. Not sure what the answer is.

England. They probably haven't heard how unsuccessful we've been.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If we have to pay overs to attract franchise players, so be it. Titans did it with fafita, souths with Inglis. Once we get one, the rest will follow on market prices.
We need change desperately.

We recently tried that with Reynolds, Packer and Mbye. It does not always work and when it doesn't you are screwed for years.

We need a franchise star but we also need young players with potential and reliable, hard working players.

Keary is in a different class. Even if we can't approach yet, doesn't take much for madge to let him know we're keen


As if a player like Keary at his peak will leave a club like the Roosters and come to us.

Money talks

Exactly. Which is why we’re no chance. Can’t compete with brown paper bags.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Umm.... pretty sure we win the next 2 games and we are sitting at.500, which puts you around 8th.
Sure the last 6 games are a nightmare , but the seasons not over . Not by a long shot . We have Packer and Joey back . Just chill . Friday Sucked! But we now have to win the remaining games . The boys would know this now. Doueihi needs a spell as well . He looks absolutely busted.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Umm.... pretty sure we win the next 2 games and we are sitting at.500, which puts you around 8th.
Sure the last 6 games are a nightmare , but the seasons not over . Not by a long shot . We have Packer and Joey back . Just chill . Friday Sucked! But we now have to win the remaining games . The boys would know this now. Doueihi needs a spell as well . He looks absolutely busted.

nice positive attitude mate

the teams sitting 7th/8th are still a chance to be smashed by lower teams

 

[PJ_]

If we have to pay overs to attract franchise players, so be it. Titans did it with fafita, souths with Inglis. Once we get one, the rest will follow on market prices.
We need change desperately.

We recently tried that with Reynolds, Packer and Mbye. It does not always work and when it doesn't you are screwed for years.

We need a franchise star but we also need young players with potential and reliable, hard working players.

Keary is in a different class. Even if we can't approach yet, doesn't take much for madge to let him know we're keen


As if a player like Keary at his peak will leave a club like the Roosters and come to us.

Money talks


Exactly. Which is why we’re no chance. Can’t compete with brown paper bags.

If we offered 1.5 and chooks offered 950k and he stayed, it might pose some questions? Who knows.
Doesn't hurt to try

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Umm.... pretty sure we win the next 2 games and we are sitting at.500, which puts you around 8th.
Sure the last 6 games are a nightmare , but the seasons not over . Not by a long shot . We have Packer and Joey back . Just chill . Friday Sucked! But we now have to win the remaining games . The boys would know this now. Doueihi needs a spell as well . He looks absolutely busted.

nice positive attitude mate

the teams sitting 7th/8th are still a chance to be smashed by lower teams

Yep , it’s highly plausible that the broncos and warriors could beat Souths and Manly next week , and if we win we are back in 8th.
And then it means after we hopefully beat the dogs that we have to put on our big boy pants and run the table , or as close as possible .
Sure it’s going to be tough , but I honestly reckon they can do it. This is the most talented team we have had in years . And sneakily the youngest .

 

[Blake]

Yep , it’s highly plausible that the broncos and warriors could beat Souths and Manly next week , and if we win we are back in 8th.
And then it means after we hopefully beat the dogs that we have to put on our big boy pants and run the table , or as close as possible .
Sure it’s going to be tough , but I honestly reckon they can do it. This is the most talented team we have had in years . And sneakily the youngest .

There is optimism and then there is insanity, I admire your insanity :grinning:

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Yep , it’s highly plausible that the broncos and warriors could beat Souths and Manly next week , and if we win we are back in 8th.
And then it means after we hopefully beat the dogs that we have to put on our big boy pants and run the table , or as close as possible .
Sure it’s going to be tough , but I honestly reckon they can do it. This is the most talented team we have had in years . And sneakily the youngest .

There is optimism and then there is insanity, I admire your insanity :grinning:

I’ve been lurking for the last 2 weeks , and geez there’s been some wrist cutting going on . I honestly think we are better than the knights , Tohs and eagles . I also think we can compete with the roosters and storm as we always match up well with them . The 2 games I think we are gonna struggle are the riff and Parra . I’d rather be optimistic than throwing the toys out of the cot like a lot on here. Packer and Joey , are going to add a lot . Also eisenhuth . That’s dynamism , aggression and consistency. All missing from Friday . Also the new boy should have a run as well.

 

[cochise]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

Lol ok fix on one small statement for reference noone actually believes the rebuild didnt start straight away. I guess my meaning is we are hamstrung until those contracts are gone. Once they are we free up a few mil and can chase established players instead of the youngens we are at the moment.

Fix on one statement, you said you see people saying we have had a 10 year rebuild but the rebuild starts now. You can't be critical of people replying to that comment stating that Maguire's rebuild started 2 years ago. If we miss the finals this year than that is 9 years in a row, 3 finals appearances in 21 years. That is not good enough and quite frankly a joke.

 

[hodgo]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

Lol ok fix on one small statement for reference noone actually believes the rebuild didnt start straight away. I guess my meaning is we are hamstrung until those contracts are gone. Once they are we free up a few mil and can chase established players instead of the youngens we are at the moment.

Fix on one statement, you said you see people saying we have had a 10 year rebuild but the rebuild starts now. You can't be critical of people replying to that comment stating that Maguire's rebuild started 2 years ago. If we miss the finals this year than that is 9 years in a row, 3 finals appearances in 21 years. That is not good enough and quite frankly a joke.

Yeah yeah yeah. Blah blah blah. Dude your a broken record. We all hate not playing finals. If it was super easy to change the club would have done it. Its not, we have a had alot of set backs and people bitching about the past constantly doesn't change a thing. If you can't see anything positive happening atm well thats your opinion. I for one feel optimistic.
Anyway I'm done with our convos. Be positive.

 

[Goldust]

After the game on Friday I was devastated like most on here.
I feel a lot more optimistic about the rest of the season.As others have mentioned,we really have only been blown off the park once this year.our team is playing with more heart,although it’s hard to see after a los, we are slowly becoming gritty.
Our halves are the major area that needs fixing.
We lost the battle of the fowards against the warriors,but the weeks prior most on here were singing our packs praise.

We are getting there 💪🏽🔥

 

[cochise]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

Lol ok fix on one small statement for reference noone actually believes the rebuild didnt start straight away. I guess my meaning is we are hamstrung until those contracts are gone. Once they are we free up a few mil and can chase established players instead of the youngens we are at the moment.

Fix on one statement, you said you see people saying we have had a 10 year rebuild but the rebuild starts now. You can't be critical of people replying to that comment stating that Maguire's rebuild started 2 years ago. If we miss the finals this year than that is 9 years in a row, 3 finals appearances in 21 years. That is not good enough and quite frankly a joke.

Yeah yeah yeah. Blah blah blah. Dude your a broken record. We all hate not playing finals. If it was super easy to change the club would have done it. Its not, we have a had alot of set backs and people bitching about the past constantly doesn't change a thing. If you can't see anything positive happening atm well thats your opinion. I for one feel optimistic.
Anyway I'm done with our convos. Be positive.

So difficult to make the Finals that half the teams do it every year, every team in the comp has done it since we last did. If we miss this year that will equate to us making the finals 14% of the time. Mate I did a detailed post of the things that are going well and the things that are concerning, you have added nothing more than you are optimistic, convince me, my opinion can be changed, tell me why I should be optimistic?

 

[cochise]

After the game on Friday I was devastated like most on here.
I feel a lot more optimistic about the rest of the season.As others have mentioned,we really have only been blown off the park once this year.our team is playing with more heart,although it’s hard to see after a los, we are slowly becoming gritty.
Our halves are the major area that needs fixing.
We lost the battle of the fowards against the warriors,but the weeks prior most on here were singing our packs praise.

We are getting there 💪🏽🔥

I'm just disappointed that it was again mental fragility that let us down. This is a trend that just keeps repeating, yes I've seen improvements in a lot of games, it is just the mental letdowns that get me.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Now that I have had a little time to cool down (still not enough!), the positive news from Friday is that the time since a real downer like that had occurred was 7 rounds (last round 4 vs Titans). The rate of these types of performances is decreasing. That's a positive. Obviously we need to get them to only once a season at most, but gotta take something.

 

[cochise]

Now that I have had a little time to cool down (still not enough!), the positive news from Friday is that the time since a real downer like that had occurred was 7 rounds (last round 4 vs Titans). The rate of these types of performances is decreasing. That's a positive. Obviously we need to get them to only once a season at most, but gotta take something.

In a shorten season, it just make things so hard for yourself. You never know, maybe this time it will be the making of us.

 

[Goldust]

After the game on Friday I was devastated like most on here.
I feel a lot more optimistic about the rest of the season.As others have mentioned,we really have only been blown off the park once this year.our team is playing with more heart,although it’s hard to see after a los, we are slowly becoming gritty.
Our halves are the major area that needs fixing.
We lost the battle of the fowards against the warriors,but the weeks prior most on here were singing our packs praise.

We are getting there ???

I'm just disappointed that it was again mental fragility that let us down. This is a trend that just keeps repeating, yes I've seen improvements in a lot of games, it is just the mental letdowns that get me.

It kinda felt like we were never in Friday’s game even when we had the lead.
Lack of energy and leadership for sure.
But madge is working it out.im looking forward to the team announcement on Tuesday.
I’m happy for him to experiment ?

 

[hodgo]

I see everyone saying its been a ten year rebuild etc. And it will continue to be a rebuild unless we stick with a coach and a plan. We are in this situation because of constant change and lack of direction. Now we have direction and purpose. Truthfully the rebuild starts now

Starts now? Madge has been here for almost 2 years and we are starting the rebuild now, so how long do we have to wait, another 2, 3, 5 years?

I know it's frustrating mate and I'm sick of waiting too. The issue effecting Madges rebuild is these big contracts still on the books which are just killing us and no one wants to take them off our hands. Madge is battling with this roster and waiting for some serious funds to play with. All he can do is persist with a change in attitude in the meantime which isn't really getting through to some atm.

Yeah, was more reacting to the rebuild starts now line, there is more to a rebuild then simply getting rid of those big contracts and signing new players. That sort of rebuild won't work, and its not what madge is doing anyway. He started the rebuild the day he walked into the club.

I do have a few problems with how our rebuild is going but you can't say it hasn't started yet. I think people saying that are trying to buy Maguire more time, and no I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market. We have been mostly signing players who are getting released from other clubs, which to me shows a lack of planning. Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet. Are we again we again waiting for players to be released.

Areas we are doing well in with our rebuild, is we are signing up good young players with potential, hopefully they pay off. The culture is slowly starting to improve, we do seem to be tougher mentally but then we still drop that in games where we are expected to win. Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion.

All I was saying is our rebuild doesn't start now but started 2 years ago as seen by my post.

This is your detailed post?

*I think so far we have been too reactive and not proactive enough in the player market*
With what money? who was available that we had a chance at? Were you in the board room? Are we talking about madge who had a crakc at mitchell and instead got lucy, Bj, douhei etc. Are they improvements on what we had? Yes they have been all let go by other teams but who hasnt. For example lets take para they picked up, sivo, rcg, matterson, moses, brown, takarangai, jennings all from teams that had "let them go"

*Where are the signings for next year, we have quite a bit of money for next season and the market has been open since November and nothing as really eventuated yet.*
Who has been available that would have fixed our issues who would You have picked? Nearly every player resigned with their club outside of fafita who was never an option for us. How do you know we didn't talk to 30 people and just didn't pan out.

Then you contradict your above statement by saying we have signed well with young players. Maybe our focus is to get young players because the older ones are unattainable at a price we can or are willing to afford.

*Lastly some of our players are showing improvement in their games under Madge, mainly forwards, our skill players have regressed in my opinion*

Ok so the area we have whinged about being weak in for years the forwards have improved. Awesome

Which skilled players have regressed i would struggle to name one.

This isn't detailed mate its as general as general gets.

Would take to long tonight to go into a detailed analysis of my opinion so ill do a general one.

The club has had some horrible experiences over the last 10 years.
We signed potter which was a risky move and it turned out bad.
Signing Taylor literally lost us our 4 best players at the time. This was our youth, our juniors, and our hope for the future.
It also cost us a tonne of bad publicity and negative raps from the league due to our handling of Robbie whether you are a fan or not.
Added to this during this time we have the disaster that was the west tiger's board with the Balmain saga and the consistent internal fighting.
Massive set backs both on and off the field leading to an average roster.
Out of all this, we find some stability with Pascoe and Go. They give us a huge leg up financially and set huge goals which they achieve e.g coe, solid sponsorship and board stability.
We boot taylor, Finally have minimal bad contracts club, fans and players buy into our new coach's ideas and philosophy. Due to his conversations on loyalty and buying in he is allowed to sign 4 dudes to massive lengthy contracts as they fit his philosophy. Surely its time a good coach with players HE wants in a system he has total control over.

You know the story so now we are back at the start
Half a salary cap, No juniors coming through, injured players on massive contracts. No coach a bog average roster, a ceo who was punished and cost us even more of what little salary cap we have.

In walk s coach Madge.
Hires super strong support staff.
Starts changing a culture that has had a soft underbelly for 10 years.
Does his best to sign a high profile player in Latrell
signs 10 amazingly talented young juniors from other clubs.
Has a plan from juniors through to first grade.
Has set a focus on producing local juniors.
Holds players accountable.
Shows emotion.
ISnt happy with the status quo and shows it.
Has signed decent players on decent contracts.

So am i optimistic? yeah, I am because after all those years we were a basket cases we have a chance to finally come out the other end. We have clear goals, we have a developing identity, we have a future in player development, we have a solid coaching recruitment staff.

So while not super detailed that is were my optimism comes from. Jumping up and down about where we were in the past has zero benefit.

Its the same reason we study history in schools, it so we dont make the same mistakes again.