Brooks on 700k for 4 years?

[Tim Sheens]

I wouldn't have offered the 4 years and whilst I am supportive of the change in recruitment manager, nonetheless disappointed in Fulton/WT supposedly offering way below market value for two seasons.

 

[crazycat]

It is, but my argument is no one can win consistently unless (close to) all the gaps are filled.

I think you have room for 3 average players in your 13 and need at least 2 quality forwards on your bench.
And counting the 13 as part of the spine, you need 4 of the 5 to be good players to compete. Anything less you just aren't making the 8.

Brooks/Tigers have struggled because we've always had less than that. Every half who has failed to make the 8 has had less than that. Hunt has less than that for most his time at the Dragons and couldn't make the 8. DCE couldn't get Manly into the 8 without Turbo. Reynolds couldn't get Broncos into the 8 when he didn't have Walsh and a fit Carrigan.

So as I said its not just Brooks no one could have been successful with the teams he has had around him.

They may have been some of our best rosters, but they have never been some of the NRLs best rosters.

Yet many teams have made it with gaps, or average players filling those gaps. The difference is that:
1. the top shelf/outstanding players carry the team.
2. fringe graders rise.

While not all these teams have made the finals, I recall Parra in 2009 made it on the back of Feleti Mateo and Jarryd Hayne.

Cronulla was stuffed for the finals several times, yet they built their front row pack and kept their good defense. Yes they eventually got a good team but they got there by getting one section right (their front row).

So often I see our recruitment focused on getting a Fringe grader into a gap. We "may" I mean might just make the 8 with that attitude. I like what Sheens is doing instead:
Get top shelf talent in Api, Bateman, Paps and Klemmer in the front row (we probably need another).
Get sections of the team working and working right. Then if were ready to push for the finals get the best players you can to fill those gaps.

It is far FAR easier to get a poor player -> average then to get an Average player -> Top Shelf. Sheens is right on this, spend your cap on Top tier talent and your team will be better off.

 

[gregjm87]

Yet many teams have made it with gaps, or average players filling those gaps. The difference is that:
1. the top shelf/outstanding players carry the team.
2. fringe graders rise.

While not all these teams have made the finals, I recall Parra in 2009 made it on the back of Feleti Mateo and Jarryd Hayne.

Cronulla was stuffed for the finals several times, yet they built their front row pack and kept their good defense. Yes they eventually got a good team but they got there by getting one section right (their front row).

So often I see our recruitment focused on getting a Fringe grader into a gap. We "may" I mean might just make the 8 with that attitude. I like what Sheens is doing instead:
Get top shelf talent in Api, Bateman, Paps and Klemmer in the front row (we probably need another).
Get sections of the team working and working right. Then if were ready to push for the finals get the best players you can to fill those gaps.

It is far FAR easier to get a poor player -> average then to get an Average player -> Top Shelf. Sheens is right on this, spend your cap on Top tier talent and your team will be better off.

No they havent. You've got one example from over a decade ago of a team that needed probably the greatest run of form by an individual player ever to come 8th, continuing that run through the finals.
Edit: if youre saying we shouldnt of wanted Brooks because he couldnt do what Hayne did, then we shouldnt be interested in anyone.
Your Sharks example proves my point, not yours. They had an ordinary roster couldnt make finals, built a good roster and won a comp.

 

[crazycat]

No they havent. You've got one example from over a decade ago of a team that needed probably the greatest run of form by an individual player ever to come 8th, continuing that run through the finals.
Edit: if youre saying we shouldnt of wanted Brooks because he couldnt do what Hayne did, then we shouldnt be interested in anyone.
Your Sharks example proves my point, not yours. They had an ordinary roster couldnt make finals, built a good roster and won a comp.

The Sharks would have remained ordinary if they did not recruit the front row they had.

Had the sharks filled gaps and gone "lets get a centre and a first grade halfback instead of Luke Lewis" they would have never gone to the finals.

🙁 man I just saw our scoreline vs Cowboys.... Why are we supporting this team?

 

[gregjm87]

The Sharks would have remained ordinary if they did not recruit the front row they had.

Had the sharks filled gaps and gone "lets get a centre and a first grade halfback instead of Luke Lewis" they would have never gone to the finals.

🙁 man I just saw our scoreline vs Cowboys.... Why are we supporting this team?

but that is exactly what they did (and Lewis was a backrower). They recruited a whole spine Barba, Maloney, Townsend and Ennis. As well as a centre in Bird. Their entire premiership winning front row, including the bench were all at the Sharks 2 years earlier when they got the spoon.

 

[gregjm87]

The Sharks would have remained ordinary if they did not recruit the front row they had.

Had the sharks filled gaps and gone "lets get a centre and a first grade halfback instead of Luke Lewis" they would have never gone to the finals.

🙁 man I just saw our scoreline vs Cowboys.... Why are we supporting this team?

And, IDK man. We all make poor decisions i guess.

 

[Wildcat777]

After tonight….bargin buy! We will end up having to pay someone worth 300k triple. And then some would probably say a great buy.

 

[Demps]

Never too late for a last minute backflip ala Moltzen/Dragons 😅