Bunker ruling on forward passes

I’m a yes but it has to be a big one. Although it does make it tough for the ref and touchie as they aren’t missing them on purpose, they just think they are good from where they are standing.
 
Bloody oath they should be able to rule on forward passes. Some of the ones missed or deliberately ignored on-field are 3, 4 or 5 metres forward. Astonishing that they miss some of them yet a touchy can spot a tiny knock-on from 30 metres away. No wonder fans are sceptical about biased refereeing these days.
Ones that are line-ball you can live with being ruled on either way but some of the disgusting passes that are given the all-clear even after video has proven them to be metres forward are an embarrassment to the game. There is too much at stake in games these days for blatant errors to be allowed to go unchecked IMO.
For some reason the NRL are loathe to want to introduce this into our code, they are ridiculous in their pig-headedness.
 
I think they should. Also think they should stop with the no try/try guess before they send it to the bunker.
 
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Only in try scoring situations yea

But that would only add another grey area in the ruling of a forward pass
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Only if the nrl over complicate things…like they always do :unamused:

Forward out of the hands is usually a pretty easy indicator of it
 
there are enough hold ups in the game now without more bunker stuff. Get rid of the knock on rule unless the ball touches the ground., that will keep the game flowing.
 
We had a big conversation about this earlier in the year - they don't have the technology to rule on forward passes.

You can't just draw a line on the field, you need 3-dimensional data, which isn't set up in league. Something like Hawkeye maybe be able to do it, like it does for LBWs in cricket, but that's a camera system watching over a rectangle only 22 yards x 2 metres.

One suggestion from ~2015 was that the best option would be to have a GPS chip inside the ball, so the ball itself could tell you if it traveled forward.
 
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We had a big conversation about this earlier in the year - they don't have the technology to rule on forward passes.

You can't just draw a line on the field, you need 3-dimensional data, which isn't set up in league. Something like Hawkeye maybe be able to do it, like it does for LBWs in cricket, but that's a camera system watching over a rectangle only 22 yards x 2 metres.

One suggestion from ~2015 was that the best option would be to have a GPS chip inside the ball, so the ball itself could tell you if it traveled forward.
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Agree but we rule if a player knocks a ball on in the NRL even when we don't use technology available hotspot etc.

I think they could rule on blatant forward passes for now.

Maybe we will end up like cricket and the ball starts flashing if it goes forward 😱pen_mouth:
 
Deary me this game goes around in circles… we stopped allowing video refs to rule on forward passes years ago because it became a farce. Even on replay it is so difficult to determine whether or not a pass went forward out of the hands or if it just went forward through momentum. The adjudication would be so inconsistent that fans would be up in arms (as they were before), and the fans would be pleading to take the decision out of the bunker's hands (and the circle of rugby league continues).
 
1 x ref
2 x linesman with half a brain and eyesight better than mine.
Bunker only adjudicates when asked by the ref
2 x captain calls per match (1 x each but does not nullify if decision is overturned)
 
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Less for the bunker
1 ref
No ear piece
Let them ref the game
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Will we all be ok with watching the replay and seeing that

1\. The ball was dropped during grounding and the ref blows the try.
2\. The ball did/didn't get grounded and the ref allowed/disallowed the try.
3\. A player was/wasn't obstructed and the ref allowed/disallowed the try.
4\. A player/players were offside from the kick.
5\. A player was taken out off the ball

Any of these scenarios and more could happen in the last few minutes of a game or anytime and it costs you 2 points

I personally don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle, the first big mistake that costs a team 2 points and everyone will be screaming, why aren't we using the technology?
 
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Deary me this game goes around in circles… we stopped allowing video refs to rule on forward passes years ago because it became a farce. Even on replay it is so difficult to determine whether or not a pass went forward out of the hands or if it just went forward through momentum. The adjudication would be so inconsistent that fans would be up in arms (as they were before), and the fans would be pleading to take the decision out of the bunker's hands (and the circle of rugby league continues).
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They call a player offside from a kick by 1/2 a cm if they can line that up by eye surely they can get 3m forward passes right, I know it's a different kettle of fish with objects moving and momentum but I think the majority is OK with if it looks and sounds and walks like a duck its a duck.
We put up with knock backs being called knick ons every game.

I'm happy for the video ref to watch it in normal speed, have 2 looks and if it looks like a forward pass call it, I understand there's going to be tough calls line ball calls that we disagree with but I think we could live with that.

There are some passes that on first look a blind man can see they're forward, I'm happy if we can just get those right.
 
I am getting on in age these days, so my comments may not be strictly correct! If my memory serves me correctly, years ago the forward pass/off side rule was:-
1\. If the receiving player was in front of the passing player, when the pass was thrown, the receiver IS OFF SIDE.
2.If the receiving player was behind the passing player, when the pass was thrown, but catches the ball in front of the passer, this is a FORWARD PASS.
There was no need to consider, if the ball left or did not leave the hands in a forward or backward direction. Surely, this makes things simpler for the on-field referees.
Under this "old" system, it would be easier to see the relative position of the two players, when the pass is thrown.
 
The game is being ruled by two referees, two touch judges and the bunker. The decisions are now more frustrating and time wasting then they have ever been. Having the bunkerr call on every suspicious forward pass would only add to the current time wasting and frustration.
 
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Deary me this game goes around in circles… we stopped allowing video refs to rule on forward passes years ago because it became a farce. Even on replay it is so difficult to determine whether or not a pass went forward out of the hands or if it just went forward through momentum. The adjudication would be so inconsistent that fans would be up in arms (as they were before), and the fans would be pleading to take the decision out of the bunker's hands (and the circle of rugby league continues).

They call a player offside from a kick by 1/2 a cm if they can line that up by eye surely they can get 3m forward passes right, I know it's a different kettle of fish with objects moving and momentum but I think the majority is OK with if it looks and sounds and walks like a duck its a duck.
We put up with knock backs being called knick ons every game.

I'm happy for the video ref to watch it in normal speed, have 2 looks and if it looks like a forward pass call it, I understand there's going to be tough calls line ball calls that we disagree with but I think we could live with that.

There are some passes that on first look a blind man can see they're forward, I'm happy if we can just get those right.
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Steve-o is right, when they first ruled on forward passes with video ref it was a dog's breakfast.

I think you underestimate what is a "line-ball" forward pass or not. 5m forward passes are fine, we can all see those, but really you'd expect 95% of those types of passes to be called back by on-field refs. But when you are talking 1-2m forward, it becomes a real grey area and the reason they don't use the video is because they can't - it doesn't work.

You can't video ref on only some forward passes, you'd have to send them all upstairs if they were close. And because what constitutes a "close" pass decision actually affects a wide number of passes, many calls would be close; you'd be going upstairs all the time and asking the video to constantly make 50/50 decisions on tough line-ball calls.

It's not like knock-ons or offsides - either he touched it or he didn't; either his feet are behind the kicker on a 2D plane or they aren't. Forward passes are something entirely different, and although you've said that you appreciate that, the idea that a video ref can take 2 looks at normal speed and call a pass forward - tells me you don't appreciate it at all.
 
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