I have been supportive of Potter. Stated several times he needs his own staff and players. However I would like to have seen some sort of structure and style of play develop. Or even some improvements in defence. I know he has been hugely hamstrung by injuries and other factors, however I still would have liked to have seen a few more things on game day to latch on to. A team somewhat play in the image of their coach, but i have not seen anything tangible.
Can anyone show evidence Potter can coach?
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I have not seen any improvement in the structures of our team. Most you player improvement has been talent development. For eg Simona with his broke play breaks, Nofo getting through 3 to get into the corner. Sues aggression.
I can't see evidence that our lines we run are better. Our decoy runners have given so many penalties away that were ties, and then the decoys stopped? Last 5 weeks there been no great decoy running.
Siro was quoted as the coach has just said to him run straight. That is only the first sentence of how Siro should play
I am not convinced on Potter. He has not dealt with poor performance within the season. He has only moved players on. There are lots of players who should be playing better.
I know of no facts beyond better contract management that show evidence he will do better next year. I can't see structural building blocks
I can't see evidence that our lines we run are better. Our decoy runners have given so many penalties away that were ties, and then the decoys stopped? Last 5 weeks there been no great decoy running.
Siro was quoted as the coach has just said to him run straight. That is only the first sentence of how Siro should play
I am not convinced on Potter. He has not dealt with poor performance within the season. He has only moved players on. There are lots of players who should be playing better.
I know of no facts beyond better contract management that show evidence he will do better next year. I can't see structural building blocks
BodhiTiger
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@innsaneink said:
Good call!
sheer64
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Boonboon2 wrote:I think they should stick with Potter - He has cleared out the s*** as best as possible with Ayshfrod, Marshall, Pettybourne going next year.
Anasta - well he cant dump him at the moment unless he brings Sironen back to the halves and that would hurt Siro's career as he builds up for backrow.
We had 2 horrible players but most players have got better under Potter
Tedesco - Got better
Nofoaluma - Got better
Simona - Way way better
Ayshford - s*** and is going
Koroibete - Injured most of the yr but is getting better and better
Marshall - s*** and is going
Sue - Better
Fulton - ALways good
BMM -Better under Potter but still needs to work harder on fitness and effort
Blair - A thousand times better under Potter
Farah - His best year when on the field
Galloway - Always good but when fit has been great
Sironen - Better and better
Ava - Much better
Buchannan - Much better
So really we have had no halves all year and that isnt potters fault
Bring Folkes back as S&C/ Assistant , Bring in Brian Smith to help him out as the other assistant
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Well said I am also going to post this in the other Potter thread
Anasta - well he cant dump him at the moment unless he brings Sironen back to the halves and that would hurt Siro's career as he builds up for backrow.
We had 2 horrible players but most players have got better under Potter
Tedesco - Got better
Nofoaluma - Got better
Simona - Way way better
Ayshford - s*** and is going
Koroibete - Injured most of the yr but is getting better and better
Marshall - s*** and is going
Sue - Better
Fulton - ALways good
BMM -Better under Potter but still needs to work harder on fitness and effort
Blair - A thousand times better under Potter
Farah - His best year when on the field
Galloway - Always good but when fit has been great
Sironen - Better and better
Ava - Much better
Buchannan - Much better
So really we have had no halves all year and that isnt potters fault
Bring Folkes back as S&C/ Assistant , Bring in Brian Smith to help him out as the other assistant
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Well said I am also going to post this in the other Potter thread
Up until now i've wanted Potter to stay on.
He has done some good things:
In the first half of the season I think our middle third defence was considerably better than previous years. Recently it's started to go backwards. Unfortunately our edge and wide defence was the worst it had ever been and hasn't improved all season.
He finally worked out how to get decent contributions out of Blair.
He's given young guys a go & they've stepped up (in the main due to their natural ability). He's moved on a lot of dead wood.
Most importantly he, with obvious support from Mayer etc., has been able to blowup the pathetic, boys club culture that sheens and his cronies created. Unfortunately he hasn;t shown any signs of beginning to rebuild it.
He half did some other good things - Benching Benji was the right thing to do. Sticking with it for a grand total of 18 minutes wasn;t.
Constantly reinforcing the need to run straight and compete was correct - but he hasn't been able to convert that into actions from his players.
The bad stuff, well what the above posts have said.
Even with all the rubbish that has gone on around him, I have to agree that he's shown nothing to indicate that in better circumstances he would do well.
Doesn;t change the fact that the club can;t afford to pay its bills atm so how do we afford a new coach?
He has done some good things:
In the first half of the season I think our middle third defence was considerably better than previous years. Recently it's started to go backwards. Unfortunately our edge and wide defence was the worst it had ever been and hasn't improved all season.
He finally worked out how to get decent contributions out of Blair.
He's given young guys a go & they've stepped up (in the main due to their natural ability). He's moved on a lot of dead wood.
Most importantly he, with obvious support from Mayer etc., has been able to blowup the pathetic, boys club culture that sheens and his cronies created. Unfortunately he hasn;t shown any signs of beginning to rebuild it.
He half did some other good things - Benching Benji was the right thing to do. Sticking with it for a grand total of 18 minutes wasn;t.
Constantly reinforcing the need to run straight and compete was correct - but he hasn't been able to convert that into actions from his players.
The bad stuff, well what the above posts have said.
Even with all the rubbish that has gone on around him, I have to agree that he's shown nothing to indicate that in better circumstances he would do well.
Doesn;t change the fact that the club can;t afford to pay its bills atm so how do we afford a new coach?
Love_the_WestsTigers
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My 2cents worth
If we can't beat parra that says a lot about our team, the coaching and preparation.
Just had enough for 2013.
Seriously can't wait for the season to be over, its embarrassing in everyday.
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If we can't beat parra that says a lot about our team, the coaching and preparation.
Just had enough for 2013.
Seriously can't wait for the season to be over, its embarrassing in everyday.
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Love_the_WestsTigers
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@Mccarry said:
Bingo baby. !!!
That's how I would summarise potters coaching/style. Hence I have sharpened my knife too. To lose to parra last night was the last straw for me.
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larrycorowa
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Royce, as a player I remember Potter as being an ultra consistent high performer in one of the dominant teams of their era. As he became older he reinvented his game and became a solid performer in a new team. Impressive credentials I would of thought. Not that being a great player is any indication of coaching ability.
Let's look at what he has done as a coach this year. He has battled against a horrid injury list and declining ability of senior players to blood numerous players of NRL quality. Up until the Benji saga of 4-6 weeks ago, the team was showing rapid improvement.
However, since we lost touch with the semis race and the place has been imploding, there appears to be elements of the team that are not putting in….mostly these are players who are moving on (Marshall, Ashyford...Anasta). Why hasn't Potter done anything to address this? Well, i reckon 2nd tier salary cap restrictions have played a large role in this.
Let's look at what he has done as a coach this year. He has battled against a horrid injury list and declining ability of senior players to blood numerous players of NRL quality. Up until the Benji saga of 4-6 weeks ago, the team was showing rapid improvement.
However, since we lost touch with the semis race and the place has been imploding, there appears to be elements of the team that are not putting in….mostly these are players who are moving on (Marshall, Ashyford...Anasta). Why hasn't Potter done anything to address this? Well, i reckon 2nd tier salary cap restrictions have played a large role in this.
Just had a look at some stats. The year that sheens came in our attack went BACKWARDS we scored about 30 points less over the season than the previous. 2002 - 500 PF, 2003 - 470 PF, 2004 510 PF, 2005 676 PF. Now to me, that doesn't scream IMMEDIATE SUCCESS. Because guess what, that doesnt happen very often. It takes time to build a team from scratch which is what sheens did and what potter has to do.
Sure, sometimes things click but they won't click if you have a poor roster (half injured), poor assistance in coaching etc. etc. etc. etc.
Sure, sometimes things click but they won't click if you have a poor roster (half injured), poor assistance in coaching etc. etc. etc. etc.
Basil_Tiger
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I think our structure in defence and attack is poor,not enough pack mentality(like Melb.( & Cant. last season)) to my way of thinking.
Good things…Potter at least got Blair showing some sort of form but that may be him only trying to impress Cranky so he can get back to Melb.
Bad Things..resting Robbie against Manly at Blue Tongue,we could have won that match against a bumbling Manly,all downhill from there.
Good things…Potter at least got Blair showing some sort of form but that may be him only trying to impress Cranky so he can get back to Melb.
Bad Things..resting Robbie against Manly at Blue Tongue,we could have won that match against a bumbling Manly,all downhill from there.
stevetiger
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I have no proof he is a great coach but proof is always hard. I couldn't coach any footy team period but give me a team like Souths or Melbourne and I'll put money on it that I do really really well.
Personally I like the guy and I want to see him given some time to see if he can turn us around. My only concern is when he states that Anasta will be in the halves next year. Anasta to me has to go.
Personally I like the guy and I want to see him given some time to see if he can turn us around. My only concern is when he states that Anasta will be in the halves next year. Anasta to me has to go.
@stevetiger said:
I'm sure you would. Not only would you have great cattle every week, but you'd have fantastic assistant coaches. Many analysts including i think Sterlo, and if not he's sure to agree, have said that the pressure on head coaches is too great, there are so many more involved each week with the team. and that is dead set true with us, hence the recent sackings or departures.
Coastie_Tiger
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Very difficult circumstances he has had to deal with but it's very hard to comment on his coaching ability in 3/4 of a season to be honest I would be quite alright with him being let go at seasons end, had we not already been paying the previous coach.
I don't care who you are no one can afford to pay 3 coaches,its just ridiculous to suggest we can but by the looks of it we probably will be and we will probably be saying the same thing this time next year.
Our only hope is Sheens picks up another gig and resigns,so we don't have to pay him out I think that may be why we stopped paying him that or we just couldn't afford it either way tough times ahead,I don't see we have any other option but to persist with Potter.
I don't care who you are no one can afford to pay 3 coaches,its just ridiculous to suggest we can but by the looks of it we probably will be and we will probably be saying the same thing this time next year.
Our only hope is Sheens picks up another gig and resigns,so we don't have to pay him out I think that may be why we stopped paying him that or we just couldn't afford it either way tough times ahead,I don't see we have any other option but to persist with Potter.
Paying him 250k to leave is not the end of the world.
Paying him 250k in 2014 and him reducing the value of 5.8m of players is a far worse situation
Judge him as a coach. Judge him on can he take us to the next level. Decide on this, don't chase bad money with good.
Any new coach was only a 50/50 at best to work.
Paying him 250k in 2014 and him reducing the value of 5.8m of players is a far worse situation
Judge him as a coach. Judge him on can he take us to the next level. Decide on this, don't chase bad money with good.
Any new coach was only a 50/50 at best to work.
tig_prmz
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i dont think he's done anything great of note this year either- but he hasn't done much wrong either. i understand that not doing anything wrong isn't the best way of keeping your job but he should be given AT LEAST 2 years to prove what he can do.
he deserves to finish his contract.
he deserves to finish his contract.
Don't think any coach could have gotten our squad firing so why do people think that his impact has to be immediate and so obvious. It won't be in a bottom 4 team usually. Took sheens 3 years to get us firing, we were poor in attack the 1st two due to a lack of cattle. Potter obviously seems more defence orientated but that won't show without proper assistants, who play a far bigger role than given credit, proper cattle and 'desire' by all? Cause if 1 or 2 dont try/aren't good enough let's down the whole team.
Not trying to say potter is some defensive whiz, but he's more defence orientated than sheens. Only reason we had good defence was folkes anyway.
If we gave Sheen 3 years, coming 13th the 1st time (without massive injuries) and you guys won't give potter 2? he's got a great record, why tarnish it and ruin his reputation without even giving him a chance.
Not trying to say potter is some defensive whiz, but he's more defence orientated than sheens. Only reason we had good defence was folkes anyway.
If we gave Sheen 3 years, coming 13th the 1st time (without massive injuries) and you guys won't give potter 2? he's got a great record, why tarnish it and ruin his reputation without even giving him a chance.
tig_prmz
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@pHyR3 said:
it's not about results and stats- it's about looking at player's attitudes.. younger players will always have a better attitude than seniors coz it's their rookie season and they want to impress.
in the seniors, he's made farah, woods and blair better players- whether that came with age or through potter's coaching is hard to tell. he has picked the best available team each round imo and that's a good start. from there, obviously his plans have lacked or he hasnt been able to get the players to execute the plans properly.
would give potter a 5/10 as to how he's handled this season but next year will tell a lot about his potential as a tactical coach.
good luck to him and the tigers and hope that he's retained.
