Can someone please explain to me.....

[stevetiger]

I think Lovett is no where as bad as people think, he is just a role player, and no star, but he is reasonable.

I think Sirro is good. I think we get very decent output of him a lot already. I think he will continue to improve.

They are not in the same league. I find the comparison laughable.

I agree. Lovett misses some tackles and it looks bad but he has a decent work rate. I reckon Siro may turn into a real good player but I wonder if he should be played at lock rather than the 2nd row. He doesn't seem quick and most backrowers have speed and real good leg drive.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't think Sirro is as bad as some people on here make out. Injuries haven't helped him but I suspect if he has an injury-free run this year, we'll see some good improvement from him. He averages around 30 tackles per game, but it's his attack which needs to really improve, with his build and agility, he has the ability to a genuine ballplaying edge backrower which would really help our centres stand out if he can get a couple of offloads away and draw in defenders.

We'll see for ourselves in a few weeks as to how he's shaping up for this season.

I don't want a mamby pamby ball playing edge second rower

I want a 110 kg hard running back rower who is damn near unstoppable in the opposition red zone , and creates havoc on the edges that halves literally plop themselves when they see him coming and he has them isolated

That's what should come naturally , the ball playing should be a back up plan

If Brooks is doing his job , he and Tedesco can do all the ball playing

 

[Tim Sheens]

Apples and oranges for mine, though happy enough to have both in the WT squad. Sirro was good after coming back from his mid year surgery, which I think GNR even acknowledged,

Having been used in the halves, battled injury, shifted to the backrow and then side to side of the field last season. Sure, he has a way to go to love up to the lofty expectations of others, but he is first grade level player, no doubt about it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This one is really easy.

Siro whilst he hasn't won us a game he hasn't cost us any with consistent errors and penalties. Whilst at the same time has show us what he can do with small snippets of play every now and again. His problem is just putting it all together for 80 minutes, week-to-week and not going missing.

Lovett on the other hand has shown he is error-riddled and loves to give away a stupid penalty or two at crucial times. He trys hard and i admire that but the guy clearly is miles away from a first grader (for now). I sometimes wish he took a leaf out of Siros book and went missing rather than lying around the ruck and giving away a penalty on fourth tackle.

Your infacuation with Sironen is really becoming more and more obvious GNR.

Huh? I've never hid my bewilderment over the hype around him and i never will as long as he does nothing to live up to said hype.

 

[innsaneink]

I dont think theres any hype about him any more.
There was when he debuted

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I don't think Sirro is as bad as some people on here make out. Injuries haven't helped him but I suspect if he has an injury-free run this year, we'll see some good improvement from him. He averages around 30 tackles per game, but it's his attack which needs to really improve, with his build and agility, he has the ability to a genuine ballplaying edge backrower which would really help our centres stand out if he can get a couple of offloads away and draw in defenders.

We'll see for ourselves in a few weeks as to how he's shaping up for this season.

I don't want a mamby pamby ball playing edge second rower

I want a 110 kg hard running back rower who is damn near unstoppable in the opposition red zone , and creates havoc on the edges that halves literally plop themselves when they see him coming and he has them isolated

That's what should come naturally , the ball playing should be a back up plan

If Brooks is doing his job , he and Tedesco can do all the ball playing

We need Richard Coorey with a 2nd and 3rd gear - where they are probably aiming him towards now.

 

[happy_tiger]

Where did Richard Coorey come from ??

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I don't think Sirro is as bad as some people on here make out. Injuries haven't helped him but I suspect if he has an injury-free run this year, we'll see some good improvement from him. He averages around 30 tackles per game, but it's his attack which needs to really improve, with his build and agility, he has the ability to a genuine ballplaying edge backrower which would really help our centres stand out if he can get a couple of offloads away and draw in defenders.

We'll see for ourselves in a few weeks as to how he's shaping up for this season.

I don't want a mamby pamby ball playing edge second rower

I want a 110 kg hard running back rower who is damn near unstoppable in the opposition red zone , and creates havoc on the edges that halves literally plop themselves when they see him coming and he has them isolated

That's what should come naturally , the ball playing should be a back up plan

If Brooks is doing his job , he and Tedesco can do all the ball playing

We need Richard Coorey with a 2nd and 3rd gear - where they are probably have the mechanics working on it now.

 

[Tigermama]

Young Siro has basically been injured for half of his career. At the back end of 2015 he showed us glimpses of what he can do when fit. Lovett could develop into a good defensive backrower, lets face it he is only 12 months into his NRL career, but he certainly at this stage is a fringe NRL player at best.

Anyway I have a gut feeling young Siro will kick on in 2016

Hope so SC. It's about time everyone in this WT team started to kick on. (Teddy excluded)
Come on boys… FIRE UP.

 

[guyofthetiger]

I can explain it. Siro is better in every facet of the game. Runs the ball stronger, tackles more effectively, similar work rate, bigger, stronger, better ball skills.

Hope that explains why he's better.

Sirro's work rate isn't close KS

But he is potentially far better than Lovett

But that's my problem at the moment

Why do players with potential at other clubs walk into grade and succeed ??

We have to wait and wait for ours

Apart from Teddy and a lesser degree Moses very few in the last 5 years

Yes we can use the halves experiment , but I still have this feeling we will end up calling him Glass

Because every time he gets dropped he breaks

Hope I'm wrong

I suspect the laziness may be because when you don't win, you don't have the buzz of success to soak up. And when you're on decent $, that means you just have the success of the $ you're earning as your buzz.

That leaves an opening for laziness to kick in; an attitude along the lines of: "well we might come last, but hey I'm doing better than most of the fellas I went to school with, everyone thinks I'm pretty cool, I've got a kick arse car, life's pretty good really" - and so maybe they they just don't put the same effort in.

It may be youth. But ultimately, success breeds success. It's up to them to want it and give everything to get it. It's up to the coaching staff to give them a sniff of it. Somehow that doesn't seem to be there. Or maybe it's just around the corner that everything clicks into place. Who knows at this point with this team.

But young Sirro's done nothing to even give a reason for the WT's to pay him the big bucks

I can remember when the Tedesco negotiation's were going on last season and they were saying that he was still just potential

Well Tedesco's potential was infinitely closer to flowering than Sironen's is

If Sironen doesn't perform this season or spends more than 10 weeks out injured we need to let him go

Simple as that , he is worth persevering with anymore

I'd rather us focus on Bailey than Curtis

Yes, I think you're right…

 

[Tigermama]

Curtis lacks aggression, while Bailey has tons of it…Apparently.

 

[Geo]

It's Bayley…just sayin...

 

[happy_tiger]

It's Bailey…just sayin...

No Geo Its Bayley ,just sayin …

 

[Tigermama]

It's Bayley…just sayin...

Thanks Geo!

 

[fergiefurr]

Both are reserve grade standard. Just.

That's a bit negative…

I think tigertye post on Sironen is an excellent post..My thoughts exactly...Young Sironen has more upside than Lovett...but he needs to start producing this Year...

Lovett is a solid worker who would be great in say a Bulldog Storm or Manly pack but for us his lack of impact really stands out...still only young and could develop with further work...

Lol @ thinking the dogs, storm or manly would ever sign Lovett.

 

[Tigermama]

It's Bailey…just sayin...

No Geo Its Bayley ,just sayin …

Thought so Happy :laughing:

 

[Tigermama]

It's Bailey…just sayin...

No Geo Its Bayley ,just sayin …

Lol.. It's Bailey, just saying… :laughing:

 

[Demps]

you guys are drinking too much… baileys

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Sirro hasn't delivered on the promise, but looking at it realistically I think injuries and his transition to the backrow from being a half is largely to blame for this.

Having said that, this is his year to deliver. He has had a couple of years in the backrow now and you can't keep living off promise and a surname. I can't help but wonder however how his game would be if he had a experienced quality second rower to line up with.

 

[Russell]

There are lots of work horses on building sites as well - doesn't mean they play in the NRL or even get one third of Lovett's pay check. Should never have been signed to the latest contract.
He is a DUD.

Siro - being the latest whipping boy, as usual has not been given a fair go time wise. You cannot count his time in the halves or time out injured (He has been no more injury prone than Teddy or Benji in their first few years of NRL). His main attribute is as a ball player - how many of those are around in the back row these days? Oh! right one or two at most.

Once again let us chop the tall poppy down (not even a tall poppy - unfortunately just has the name), doesn't matter, chop him down anyway. This is the first year he is going to have a few decent forwards around him (that go forward, hopefully), halves and centres that can back up so he can off load to them, maybe even a winger. His defense is solid and he can hurt from time to time (not like old mate Lovett - would be flat out knocking the skin off a rice pudding).

We need a back rower who can off load and ball play (Griffen is the only alternative at this stage - even more inexperienced at NRL than Siro - don't get carried away with the nines though). Siro is it for mine - 2016 is his year make no mistake.

As for people wanting to get rid of him. imo he is better at the moment than Cordner and he just signed another big contract with the Rorters. Makes a difference to your game if you can play with some decent players.