Can someone please explain to me.....

Young Siro has basically been injured for half of his career. At the back end of 2015 he showed us glimpses of what he can do when fit. Lovett could develop into a good defensive backrower, lets face it he is only 12 months into his NRL career, but he certainly at this stage is a fringe NRL player at best.

Anyway I have a gut feeling young Siro will kick on in 2016
 
Siro hasn't become the star that everyone thought he would just yet but before Siro becomes the new whipping boy at the club there's a few things that people need to consider:

- His entire junior career he played in the halves. Everyone knew he was destined for the back row due to his size. Why didn't the coaching staff identify this and play him in the back row to assist with his development in that position?
- Everyone is saying he's been in first grade for ages now, but how many games has he played in the back row?
- How many players who played their entire career in the backs make an immediate successful transition immediately to the forwards in first grade?
- Siro has also had several injury set backs.
- Has Siro ever really had a partner in the back row who really helped him develop and to learn from? He's been expected to be our best back rower since Ellis without playing a huge amount of time in the role.
- He's been forced play as an 80 minute back rower when he probably isn't up to it.

As you can see i think there are quite a few hurdles that people fail to think about when they watch Siro. I believe that the coaching staff from junior to senior levels have not managed his development that well and that has severely impacted his ability to develop into a successful backrower. Not to mention his injuries and other things.

I have strong faith in Siro is in for a big 2016\. I also know that at the end of the day it's a business, so Siro does need to adapt quickly.
 
2016 will be the defining season for many of these great talented juniors that the club has been spruiking for countless years hope we all are not disappointed as many are off contract this season.
 
@tigertye said:
Siro hasn't become the star that everyone thought he would just yet but before Siro becomes the new whipping boy at the club there's a few things that people need to consider:

- His entire junior career he played in the halves. Everyone knew he was destined for the back row due to his size. Why didn't the coaching staff identify this and play him in the back row to assist with his development in that position?
- Everyone is saying he's been in first grade for ages now, but how many games has he played in the back row?
- How many players who played their entire career in the backs make an immediate successful transition immediately to the forwards in first grade?
- Siro has also had several injury set backs.
- Has Siro ever really had a partner in the back row who really helped him develop and to learn from? He's been expected to be our best back rower since Ellis without playing a huge amount of time in the role.
- He's been forced play as an 80 minute back rower when he probably isn't up to it.

As you can see i think there are quite a few hurdles that people fail to think about when they watch Siro. I believe that the coaching staff from junior to senior levels have not managed his development that well and that has severely impacted his ability to develop into a successful backrower. Not to mention his injuries and other things.

I have strong faith in Siro is in for a big 2016\. I also know that at the end of the day it's a business, so Siro does need to adapt quickly.
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And I hope the potential finally lives up to expectation as well TigerTye

But the question still remains , when do we cut our losses

2017,2018 ,2019 ??
 
@innsaneink said:
Lovett is developing and is quite a few years behind Sirro
If you cant see why Sirro is ahead of him then you need new glasses. Thats not saying Sirro is anything crash hot either…he has and always will have his old mans name to deal with
Debuted in 2012, he really needs to get a wriggle on if there is any more juice to be squeezed
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Well said. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the OP…..old mate seems to get a bit of sand in his budgie smugglers when it comes to Sirro Jnr for some reason.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@innsaneink said:
Lovett is developing and is quite a few years behind Sirro
If you cant see why Sirro is ahead of him then you need new glasses. Thats not saying Sirro is anything crash hot either…he has and always will have his old mans name to deal with
Debuted in 2012, he really needs to get a wriggle on if there is any more juice to be squeezed

Well said. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the OP…..old mate seems to get a bit of sand in his budgie smugglers when it comes to Sirro Jnr for some reason.
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Bellemy, Smith, Bennett etc

:rant :rant :rant

Pot meet kettle
 
@Fade To Black said:
@innsaneink said:
Lovett is developing and is quite a few years behind Sirro
If you cant see why Sirro is ahead of him then you need new glasses. Thats not saying Sirro is anything crash hot either…he has and always will have his old mans name to deal with
Debuted in 2012, he really needs to get a wriggle on if there is any more juice to be squeezed

Well said. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the OP…..old mate seems to get a bit of sand in his budgie smugglers when it comes to Sirro Jnr for some reason.
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:roll
 
Hehe hold on a sec my bait has fallen off the hook.

Bellamy and Smith are cheats are they not?…..proven fact.
Bennett is just a miserable old sod,nothing against the bloke personally but the hang-dog demeanour and whining are getting beyond stale,might be time for him to don the knee blankie and slippers and watch on the telly like the rest of us.
 
@Fade To Black said:
Hehe hold on a sec my bait has fallen off the hook.

Bellamy and Smith are cheats are they not?…..proven fact.
Bennett is just a miserable old sod,nothing against the bloke personally but the hang-dog demeanour and whining are getting beyond stale,might be time for him to don the knee blankie and slippers and watch on the telly like the rest of us.
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No , its the fact you are using tiny soft plastics , you need a big live bait , if you can find one :laughing:
 
@tigertye said:
Siro hasn't become the star that everyone thought he would just yet but before Siro becomes the new whipping boy at the club there's a few things that people need to consider:

- His entire junior career he played in the halves. Everyone knew he was destined for the back row due to his size. Why didn't the coaching staff identify this and play him in the back row to assist with his development in that position?
- Everyone is saying he's been in first grade for ages now, but how many games has he played in the back row?
- How many players who played their entire career in the backs make an immediate successful transition immediately to the forwards in first grade?
- Siro has also had several injury set backs.
- Has Siro ever really had a partner in the back row who really helped him develop and to learn from? He's been expected to be our best back rower since Ellis without playing a huge amount of time in the role.
- He's been forced play as an 80 minute back rower when he probably isn't up to it.

As you can see i think there are quite a few hurdles that people fail to think about when they watch Siro. I believe that the coaching staff from junior to senior levels have not managed his development that well and that has severely impacted his ability to develop into a successful backrower. Not to mention his injuries and other things.

I have strong faith in Siro is in for a big 2016\. I also know that at the end of the day it's a business, so Siro does need to adapt quickly.
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Best post I've seen on this subject. Yes Sirro has been in 1st grade for a while, but we made the mistake of playing him as a 5/8th for a number of years. This was a benefit for the team but hada negative impact on his development as a back rower.

Also the comments about his injuries by other posters is unfair as that's what happens when you play players from a young age.
 
@magpiecol said:
Both are reserve grade standard. Just.
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That's a bit negative…

I think tigertye post on Sironen is an excellent post..My thoughts exactly...Young Sironen has more upside than Lovett...but he needs to start producing this Year...

Lovett is a solid worker who would be great in say a Bulldog Storm or Manly pack but for us his lack of impact really stands out...still only young and could develop with further work...
 
My gut feel Lovett is going to take over from Fitzy as the forum whipping boy. Like everyone else on our roster I am willing to give them 8 weeks of NRL before I start laying in the boot. The bottom line Lovett like a few others has been thrown to the wolves a couple of seasons early due to a sub standard roster
 
@Fade To Black said:
Hehe hold on a sec my bait has fallen off the hook.

Bellamy and Smith are cheats are they not?…..proven fact.
Bennett is just a miserable old sod,nothing against the bloke personally but the hang-dog demeanour and whining are getting beyond stale,might be time for him to don the knee blankie and slippers and watch on the telly like the rest of us.
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Don't forget that from years Bennett, and the Broncos were getting under the table cash for all the players and coach from the late mining magnate Ken Talbot.
That help them win all there premierships, they are worse cheats then Melbourne ever dreamed about.
This is on record but because the are News owned and NRL darlings nothing ever come of it.
 
I think Lovett is no where as bad as people think, he is just a role player, and no star, but he is reasonable.

I think Sirro is good. I think we get very decent output of him a lot already. I think he will continue to improve.

They are not in the same league. I find the comparison laughable.
 
I think Lovett is no where as bad as people think, he is just a role player, and no star, but he is reasonable.

I think Sirro is good. I think we get very decent output of him a lot already. I think he will continue to improve.

They are not in the same league. I find the comparison laughable.
 
@underdog said:
Sirro debuted 4 years ago for us. 4 years. 1461 days.

Think about that for a second.

That's Olympics to Olympics - That's my son entering Kindergarden, vs the kid I now know being on the "Student Council" and turning 10 this year.

That's a bloody long time.

When will this potential eventually pay off? Agreed the guy is better than Lovett in a large amount of respects, but we could pay for 3 Lovetts with one Sironen.

Don't know about you lads, but I'm getting kinda sick of waiting.
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I'm sick of waiting too UD. If Sirro doesn't show signs of improvement this season, there's only one thing to do…"Out with the old and in with the new" Quick smart.
 
This one is really easy.

Siro whilst he hasn't won us a game he hasn't cost us any with consistent errors and penalties. Whilst at the same time has show us what he can do with small snippets of play every now and again. His problem is just putting it all together for 80 minutes, week-to-week and not going missing.

Lovett on the other hand has shown he is error-riddled and loves to give away a stupid penalty or two at crucial times. He trys hard and i admire that but the guy clearly is miles away from a first grader (for now). I sometimes wish he took a leaf out of Siros book and went missing rather than lying around the ruck and giving away a penalty on fourth tackle.

Your infacuation with Sironen is really becoming more and more obvious GNR.
 
I don't think Sirro is as bad as some people on here make out. Injuries haven't helped him but I suspect if he has an injury-free run this year, we'll see some good improvement from him. He averages around 30 tackles per game, but it's his attack which needs to really improve, with his build and agility, he has the ability to a genuine ballplaying edge backrower which would really help our centres stand out if he can get a couple of offloads away and draw in defenders.

We'll see for ourselves in a few weeks as to how he's shaping up for this season.
 
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