Can we continue to carry Moltzen?

[tigerlogic]

Lui played great last couple weeks and on the improve, he's building! Yes moltz appears indecisive with his ball running ATM but other then that he dropped one bomb.. The best fullbacks drop bombs, slater (who I think is the best ever) dropped one lastnight, only reAson penrith didn't score in the next set was because the defensive set the storm had. Moltz even started running the ball back on Friday which is a sweet change! Get behind moltz, get em Timmy!
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[larrycorowa]

Mate he bombed a certain try and cost us one. Was much the same against Manly the week before.

Can we afford this finals time?

I have been waiting for him to show something all year, but still no real sign. He is a passenger for mine.

 

[tigerlogic]

Fair enough… Agree to disagree I gues.. I know he hasn't been at his best but I think itl take him a while to adjust to fb.. But I like him there if it can't be brown.. All good
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[hannanr]

Moltzen has never been any different. He plays for himself and looks for the easy way out. He is overrated and shows that each week. I would rather have someone in the team that has a dig.

 

[tigerlogic]

Mate I reckon u should be in the team! Strooth! Ur questioning the integrity of a bloke who had a knee reconstruction and has made it back to first grade in a new role. I think he will be a quality buy for the dragons! Have u ever tried to do wot moltz did? Cos I got back to playing first grade after my knee reco, though I retired a couple of seasons later, but it's tough to come back from. U obviously don't know wot ur talking about
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[hybrid_tiger]

I'm sick of people using his knee reconstruction as an excuse. He was the same before his injury. Exactly the same.
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[Guest]

Mate I reckon u should be in the team! Strooth! Ur questioning the integrity of a bloke who had a knee reconstruction and has made it back to first grade in a new role. I think he will be a quality buy for the dragons! Have u ever tried to do wot moltz did? Cos I got back to playing first grade after my knee reco, though I retired a couple of seasons later, but it's tough to come back from. U obviously don't know wot ur talking about
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With all due respect, Moltzen had a full pre-season with the Tigers where he did everything, and he's had the majority of the season to ideally build up some sort of good form, but it's failed to materialise unfortunately, and it's not like he's afraid to sidestep, he's simply afraid to put his body on the line 9 times out of 10 and that's what is hurting his game.

I hope he can develop further at the Dragons, but a lot will depend on where they choose to play him. If he's ever going to make a fist of the fullback position, he needs to develop support play and must be prepared to take on the line, because at the moment these are the two biggest aspects that make him a very ineffective fullback.

 

[tigerlogic]

Yes moltz did have a full pre season to test the knee, but it's a confidence thing, much like Benji with his shoulders years ago, it's not until u get a full season back where after that the hard work pays off. And whoever the person was who said their sick of using his knee as an excuse obviously has no idea and has probably never combined a knee reco with professional sport, it's not an excuse it's a reason, that person was probably slagging on Benji during earlier years! Please, pull ur head in!
I agree with the things u just said re moltz hang to improve to be a good fb but remember sheensy had played him everywhere this year to cover injury, eventually when he improves those areas he will be all class… It's been hard to learn the trade when ur used as a utility
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[tigerlogic]

Hybrid behave urself… There was a time I admired and respected ur posts but ur last one on this thread is so ignorant ur making a goose of urself, go through wot tim and I have been through with first grade n knee recos then come back and say the same thing!
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[MightyMaggy]

Fair enough… Agree to disagree I gues.. I know he hasn't been at his best but I think itl take him a while to adjust to fb.. But I like him there if it can't be brown.. All good
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How long does Moltzen need to adjust to fullback?
In 2009, he played 14 games as fullback in first grade.
In 2010, he played 2 games as fullback in first grade.
In 2011, he has played 8 games as fullback.
I would think that after 24 games, he would have shown whether or not he could take bombs, make good ground on kick-returns, show good positional play in attack and defence, know when to PASS THE BALL and make critical tackles.
How many more games will he need to play to ascertain, if he is a good fullback or not?

 

[MightyMaggy]

Mate I reckon u should be in the team! Strooth! Ur questioning the integrity of a bloke who had a knee reconstruction and has made it back **to first grade in a new role**. I think he will be a quality buy for the dragons! Have u ever tried to do wot moltz did? Cos I got back to playing first grade after my knee reco, though I retired a couple of seasons later, but it's tough to come back from. U obviously don't know wot ur talking about
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I f you look at my previous post, you will see that he had played 16 games in first grade at fullback, before he injured his knee. I would not agree it was …. a new role for him this year!

 

[MightyMaggy]

I'm sick of people using his knee reconstruction as an excuse. **He was the same before his injury. Exactly the same.**
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Obviously, you HAVE been watching his games in the past!

 

[tigerlogic]

Maggy pull ur head in, he was only 20 in 2009 and with the year out he has lost a year of experience! Plus those games u mentioned were spaced out over a long period, which totally nullifies all the good work. It takes a lot of consistent footy wen ur learning a new position (with the same players,not three seasons) to learn it properly! He was still just a young bloke adjusting to first grade and finding his feet rather then professing fb. And with the year out he is still learning
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[VanillaThunder]

The try he bombed against the Dragons has nothing to do with experience at fullback, it's simple link play that you'd expect any first-grade player to be able to do. The fact of the matter is, he's a pretty hopeless ball player, looked the goods last year or the year before, but this year has been pretty woeful.
And all that knee recon talk; what about Chris Lawrence's hip? Having to be sedated with 4 or 5 people needed to get it back in and still come back to lead a finals charge as one of our best on ground says enough. If Moltzen really wanted to be considered as a top-class fullback and not just a backline utility, he needed to have shown something by now, especially at the pointy end of the season. A few defensive saves can't hide his fear of returning the ball hard, questionable ability to contest the high ball, and blatant inability to link up with his outside men in attacking opportunities.
It's too late for changes now, but I can't help but think one of these days it'll cost us big time.

 

[alien]

tigerlogic, if he needs a full season to get back to his best like you say then he should be in nsw cup until he is right to play firstgrade

 

[Eddie]

He has been a liability all season.

Feel like crying with the thought of him replacing Lawrence at left centre for the next 4 weeks.

 

[tigerlogic]

Vanilla if u read my earlier posts ud notice that i agree with much of that, he has looked indecisive with his ball playing, the other night was the first night he ran the ball back instead of passing, I also have questioned him wanting to get tackled..
As far as me saying he needs a good year back in the same position to get his mojo back one of u said should be in nsw cup, maybe there is merit to that but bottom line is he needs time..
Given how many injuries there have been sheens obviously wanted to replace them with first graders even if they were out o position, and yes moltzen is a first grader!
Mate though in my opinion rowdys hip injury would have been the most painful of them all, it's different. Moltzen at fb covers many more kms then a centre, and besides, Lawrence is in a higher class of player then moltz, so hard to compare, but unles any of u know wot it's pike to combine a knee reco with professional sport u (with all due respect) really have know idea about it..
I don't think moltz will go to the centers and like many of u I hope he doesn't either.
Anyways, IMO in his time at the dragons I think he will develop into a really fine fb
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[happy_tiger]

Vanilla if u read my earlier posts ud notice that i agree with much of that, he has looked indecisive with his ball playing, the other night was the first night he ran the ball back instead of passing, I also have questioned him wanting to get tackled..
As far as me saying he needs a good year back in the same position to get his mojo back one of u said should be in nsw cup, maybe there is merit to that but bottom line is he needs time..
Given how many injuries there have been sheens obviously wanted to replace them with first graders even if they were out o position, and yes moltzen is a first grader!
Mate though in my opinion rowdys hip injury would have been the most painful of them all, it's different. Moltzen at fb covers many more kms then a centre, and besides, Lawrence is in a higher class of player then moltz, so hard to compare, but unles any of u know wot it's pike to combine a knee reco with professional sport u (with all due respect) really have know idea about it..
I don't think moltz will go to the centers and like many of u I hope he doesn't either.
Anyways, IMO in his time at the dragons I think he will develop into a really fine fb
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TigerLogic don't disagree with what your saying with Moltzen injury but with knee recos i found that moving forward in a straight line is the easy thing .So it sort of defeats your argument about the reasons he is not playing hard . He has always had issues with not returning the ball back with pace from kick returns . I agree with stepping off that leg as he will always have it in the back of his mind but that does not excuse him from not putting his body on the line with other parts of his game

 

[alexaki]

Did anyone read the article by Benji in yesterday's Herald????…Benji went on to say the 1,6,7,9 are key to the team and it's important they gel...he went on to say he is finding form after his shoulder and knee problem, Benji wnet on to say that Moltz has been playing "incredibly" well at 1 and Lui and Farah playing well too...so there you have it....IF Sheens moves Moltz from the #1, his best mate Benji will sulk and where would that leave the mindset of the team...going South not North as it has been lately....So Moltz will be carried for the rest of the year....then in 2012 Benji can see from afar how well Moltz is playing with the Dragons!

 

[851]

Did anyone read the article by Benji in yesterday's Herald????…Benji went on to say the 1,6,7,9 are key to the team and it's important they gel...he went on to say he is finding form after his shoulder and knee problem, Benji wnet on to say that Moltz has been playing "incredibly" well at 1 and Lui and Farah playing well too...so there you have it....IF Sheens moves Moltz from the #1, his best mate Benji will sulk and where would that leave the mindset of the team...going South not North as it has been lately....So Moltz will be carried for the rest of the year....then in 2012 Benji can see from afar how well Moltz is playing with the Dragons!

I read that,almost choked on my corn flakes at the "playing incredibly well" thing,Benji is making sure Timmy stays in the team,poor form from Benji I think when we would be far better served with a different fullback.