Canterbury Bulldogs table four-year deals to lure James Tedesco and Aaron Woods from Wests Tigers

[avocadoontoast]

Do the Bullgrubs have a cap?

Release Moses after this weekend and asked to be compensated by Parramatta and if the other two leave throw them in the reserves for the rest of the year because they are not on the bus.

Maybe harsh but the club and the future comes first

I would think winning games comes first.

I would too. Play the best players we have.

 

[underdog]

And this if where VFM comes into it

Just using your example (I can go into further details later if needed)

Packer mautaulino combo averages 224 meters per game and would come at a similar price tag to one Aaron woods, also add to this that packer plays shorter stints due to a strong forward pack rotation at dragons one thing they aren't short of this year. So with 2 players u get more output and now extra depth at the position. While taking a minimal hit on the cap.

But it's not just about meters. What analysis the system I used in previous employment takes into account goes far beyond that to get VFM.

**Take Shannon Boyd for example barely breaks 100m a game but that's not important for Canberra. His KPi is tackle breaks/amount of defenders he attracts and quick play the balls. His impact usually creates alll that space for his backs. Now if u purely went on run meters you wouldn't pay Boyd 150k a year.**

Totally irrelevant to the ongoing discussion, but this kind of analysis is genuinely fascinating to me. Interesting.

 

[Russell]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

 

[earl]

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

Please tell me we didn't offer Woods 1mil. Say it isn't true!

Wasn't a million, but was in the vicinity of 850k

Revised deal closer to 750K with 600K under the cap 150K Club affiliated TPA through Marquee Player allowance…

This makes a lot more sense.

 

[smoking_gun]

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

Wayne Bennett said 5/6 years ago that he wouldn't pay over 350k for a prop. This is a bloke who coached webke Lazarus civinocieva. Woods isn't in a bulls roar of those 3\. Now granted at that time the cap was about 4.5 million so let's allow for the inflation, So I today's terms he wouldn't pay over 600k for a prop?

If someone wants to pay him 900k go for it, all I'm saying is that he isn't worth it analytically. And I'd be upset if it was my team shelling out 12% of the cap on him.

 

[TCL]

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

Wayne Bennett said 5/6 years ago that he wouldn't pay over 350k for a prop. This is a bloke who coached webke Lazarus civinocieva. Woods isn't in a bulls roar of those 3\. Now granted at that time the cap was about 4.5 million so let's allow for the inflation, So I today's terms he wouldn't pay over 600k for a prop?

If someone wants to pay him 900k go for it, all I'm saying is that he isn't worth it analytically. And I'd be upset if it was my team shelling out 12% of the cap on him.

SG do you support the tigers? Not having a go, just curious.

 

[jadtiger]

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

totally agree people think our pack gets bullied now take Woods out and i hate to think how bad it would be.We cant get a replacement of his level he needs to be supported with new players not discarded.

 

[smoking_gun]

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

Wayne Bennett said 5/6 years ago that he wouldn't pay over 350k for a prop. This is a bloke who coached webke Lazarus civinocieva. Woods isn't in a bulls roar of those 3\. Now granted at that time the cap was about 4.5 million so let's allow for the inflation, So I today's terms he wouldn't pay over 600k for a prop?

If someone wants to pay him 900k go for it, all I'm saying is that he isn't worth it analytically. And I'd be upset if it was my team shelling out 12% of the cap on him.

SG do you support the tigers? Not having a go, just curious.

Sort of. Worked for them for 3 years. Have a soft spot

 

[Russell]

Matulino to replace Woods - that is not the question.

But the answer is - we need Matulino + Woods (then Ave and Grant as replacements).

 

[smoking_gun]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

 

[jirskyr]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

Question then becomes what is the reality of managing to sign a Matulino + Packer + Vete? It's all well and good to have value targets to replace a big name, but is it not more difficult to successfully negotiate with 3 resources than just one?

What if Woods leaves and we can only sign Matulino, say, then have to rely on a Felise or Tatola to step up.

 

[ricksen]

I really don't want Packer.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

x2

 

[softlaw]

Wayne Bennett said 5/6 years ago that he wouldn't pay over 350k for a prop. This is a bloke who coached webke Lazarus civinocieva. Woods isn't in a bulls roar of those 3\. Now granted at that time the cap was about 4.5 million so let's allow for the inflation, So I today's terms he wouldn't pay over 600k for a prop?

If someone wants to pay him 900k go for it, all I'm saying is that he isn't worth it analytically. And I'd be upset if it was my team shelling out 12% of the cap on him.

Noting that the amount brisbane (bennett) reported to the NRL that they paid for those props, and what those props actually received, were completely unrelated figures.

 

[TCL]

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

Glad to see that someone else can see the problem.

500K for an Australian and SOO prop is laughable - I would be too embarrassed to mention that to him.

totally agree people think our pack gets bullied now take Woods out and i hate to think how bad it would be.We cant get a replacement of his level he needs to be supported with new players not discarded.

Agree, Woods and signings will strengthen our pack.

He cant be pulling the wool over SOO and Kangaroo selectors eyes. He is worth $600k to $700k but to us he is worth at lot more.

 

[Sunnycoast_tiger]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

x2

x3 But what if we don't sign these three.Who else is there SH ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

x2

x3 But what if we don't sign these three.Who else is there SH ?

I'm sure we'd get one or two if we showed interest. We have enough money.

 

[Guest]

Using graham as an example isn't fair as he plays a lot more ball playing role at the dogs not your typical props role and jbrom only played 1 and a bit games this year.

I'd be making comparisons to guys like matulino and packer who are on the market. Think u will find both those guys average more meters per carry and get their shoulders through the line more than woods and u can probably get both for close to what woods is asking for.

The system I ran is about finding value for money. At cowboys for example it was pin pointing talent at a lower cost. Guys like kafusi Asiata Hess cooper lowe etc are invaluable to a team and come at a low cost. Why pay top dollar for someone who u can get similar value for elsewhere and strengthen depth and other positions?

I wish you sent Tautau Moga our way before Brisbane stole him

I don't disagree with this plan of attack at all. I watched the Warriors/Newtown game and Veteis a solid unit, hits the line hard too. Thrown in Matulino and Packer and our front row rotation looks pretty solid. I think Ava is being under utilised at the expense of Woods at the moment. Yes, Woodsy can play big minutes but Ava racked up 98 metres in attack in 37 minutes, his post contact metres are also good.

Ideally though, this is the smartest way to strengthen our forward pack. Throw in a guy like Kurt Capewell as a backrow option and our pack looks solid. Then we have plenty of coin to attract a good number 6 and a centre and winger.

 

[Guest]

And this if where VFM comes into it

Just using your example (I can go into further details later if needed)

Packer mautaulino combo averages 224 meters per game and would come at a similar price tag to one Aaron woods, also add to this that packer plays shorter stints due to a strong forward pack rotation at dragons one thing they aren't short of this year. So with 2 players u get more output and now extra depth at the position. While taking a minimal hit on the cap.

But it's not just about meters. What analysis the system I used in previous employment takes into account goes far beyond that to get VFM.

**Take Shannon Boyd for example barely breaks 100m a game but that's not important for Canberra. His KPi is tackle breaks/amount of defenders he attracts and quick play the balls. His impact usually creates alll that space for his backs. Now if u purely went on run meters you wouldn't pay Boyd 150k a year.**

Totally irrelevant to the ongoing discussion, but this kind of analysis is genuinely fascinating to me. Interesting.

If Woods walks, the contingency plan is quite clear. Get onto the club SG and throw some bread crumbs at Ben M, Packer and Vete.

 

[Guest]

I'd prefer matulino packer vete over woods.

x2

x3 But what if we don't sign these three.Who else is there SH ?

I'm sure we'd get one or two if we showed interest. We have enough money.

Exactly. Don't see why we couldn't get all 3, they'd all be looking at contract upgrades coming to us.